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[OdanUrr]

To be fair, they should've expanded on everyone's but, in my case, I was rooting for Miranda.

[Heimdall]

Pretty much all the ME2 ones. Though that melding thing at the end of Liara's was unsatisfying.

[Nightwriter]

Constant Motion wrote...

None. Every relationship is different, and so is every romance different. I wasn't expecting Thane to turn up in Mass Effect 3 at all, but he hung on, and ended his life in the most heroic way he possibly good.

It's not a relationship simulator, it's a story simulator. We've got doomed relationships, forgotten relationships, rekindled loves, secret relationships... and they all make a lot of sense for each character. You knew Jacob's history and his character before you got into a relationship with him. You knew your long term prospects with Thane were limited. And you knew how important Cerberus was to Miranda - and, equally, how important Miranda was to Cerberus. Doesn't mean their stories were predictable, but they're risks that were taken. And isn't that what every relationship is? A risk.

I'm quite pleased that they weren't all these fairy tale romances, weren't these big stories where you fight the reapers, hand in hand. It's a lot more 1984 than that - little snatches of joy in a terrible era. Even the people you get to keep on board, it's not like you're at it like rabbits. It's sweeter than that, a little understated - and for me, that's more of a strength than a weakness.

I mean, sure, a little more interaction would be great. They've written brilliant characters, who I'd always love to see more of, so it'd be nice if you could catch up with old flames throughout the game over Anderson and Hackett's holographic intercom... but I don't think it's necessary, and it's certainly not an entire DLC's worth of content. Could be a feature bundled into a different DLC, perhaps - but it's not any higher a priority than more story, more action, more planets, more exploration. I love Mass Effect - more anything's good!

That said, if there were any romance I think they could've done more with, it'd probably be Jack. Not speaking with any kind of bias here, she wasn't even alive by the time my main Shepard reached Mass Effect 3, she just feels like the one there could've been a little more story with. But I don't think we need anything more for any of them, and I don't feel like there's anything they should've done that they didn't.

That's a mighty big pile o' BS ya got thar.

[XqctaX]

all previous romance options should have been expanded on too provide tthe most
forefilling emotionall roleplaying options for all fans regardless of favorite LI.


I also think that REtake omega should have been one of the first of missions
in Me3 giving us a New Hub.

but most of all giving us an Pure Renegade LI option for those sarcastic funny evil
renegade interrupts and so on.

[Dominus]

To beat a dead varren, Thane. To throw a wrench in the thread. Morinth. I wasn't exactly expecting a second Death-By-Snu-Snu, but an e-mail and a name swap on a banshee wasn't quite what I had in mind.

Miranda's was a bigger yawn than Jack's, I think. They were alright, but my mind wasn't exactly blown.

Modifié par DominusVita, 13 novembre 2012 - 11:25 .

[Ottemis]

Thane, whether or not he's dying matters little to me. This was a deeply spiritual union in ME2, in ME3 we get one conversation and a forced kissing scene that gave me nothing but awkward feels.
While the death-scene itself was beautiful, his death is not acknowledged by the crew, and you have 0 wrap-up after the fact. You just have no feedback on the romance beyond the point of him dying AT ALL bar your interaction with Kai Leng. Speaking of which:
Kai Leng did not kill Thane, Kepral's did. They should have made a better attempt at making me 'hate' him. This makes no sense to me whatsoever, neither does his snarky adolescant email or the renegade interrupt saying 'this is for Thane'. Come on.

Then there's Jacob, I don't necessarily mind him 'cheating', although this could definitely have been spun a better way. As things stand, you hear nothing until you see him at which point he casually lies before you are told he sat on a beach during your incarceration, didn't try to contact you, fell for someone else, and tells you 'You loved the Normandy more then anything anyways'. Shepard then has the option to respond awkward or full-out crazy. It makes him look like a douche, this all coming from a character that was all about loyalty and doing what's right in ME2.

Aside from that, I personally feel this was not something they should have done in the final installment of the series. Especially not because you have NO fresh MALE romance option in ME3 (Seeing Garrus is only a continuation romance) bar Kaidan, who can't only die in ME1 but ALSO in ME3. Kaidan, to new players, is not picked up positively because without back-story he's unpleasant in 3, to say the least. New players simply don't like him at all. James apparently got scrapped, so hetero femshep players pretty much got shafted.

So, half of my femsheps have the option to either turn bi or gay, or be forever alone and die.
We got Traynor (lesbian relationship clearly written by a man) and Allers (need I say more). I have 0 problem with lesbian/gay or bi relationships being in the game, they're just not for me, certainly not if I'm forced in a 'male role'.

As much as the gameplay in 3 is improved and so many things have been handled 'right', as a player that draws alot of re-playability out of romance resolve and a FEMSHEP player to boot, the romance wrap-ups has broken it's re-playability for me.


Raine, Thane-mancer, grave-yarded. One of MANY others.

My 5 cents, they could have kept the femshep poster, trailer, screenshots and boxart. I am a tiny bit bitter.

Again though, this is not to say I hate the game, I really don't. I'm just sad because I know it highly unlikely this will be 'fixed', meaning this is something I need to 'get over'. My favorite character, one tied to a custom backstory, fanart and fanfic is buried. Such a wealth in the fan community has been stomped to death over this, and that is the real tragedy.

I hate to say this, but Bioware, the only way you can 'revive' the optimism, motivation and PASSION of part of your fanbase, is by sticking recources into (partially) sorting this. Any positive addition to the lack of wealth in the romance wrapup not just for the ones I mentioned, but all that were mentioned in this thread, would make a lot of loyal fans / players very very happy. I know too many people that, coming from years of repeatedly playing through ME1 and ME2 with numerous characters owning all DLC, now can't bare to start ME3 up anymore. Not even to play multiplayer.

Modifié par Ottemis, 13 novembre 2012 - 12:44 .

[CptData]

Hmmm, seriously?
My PoV is biased, obviously, but I tried to take other fans positions as well.

- Miranda
Sorry. That romance simply didn't feel properly developed in any point in the game. Disappointing for her fans, disappointing for those who wanted to become one. The only way to get some kind of closure with her romance is to break up with Miranda - and she dies on Horizon.
That alone should give you an idea how much potential was wasted by NOT expanding the romance.

- Jack
Same here. If you miss to do the Grissom Academy mission, the only way to "meet" Jack is in the Cerberus HQ. And it won't end well for her. The romance itself got reduced to very few lines ... uhh ... that's it? Definitely needs more.

- Thane
I know, that Drell is going to die. But still - why's there not even a side assignment where you can try to find a cure, or at least a scientist working at one? Nothing. Sure, Thane didn't ask you for doing it, knowing you'd be busy with more important stuff - but if he was your LI? Missed opportunity!

- Jacob
Do I really have to say anything here?

- Tali
Comes back too late for a full blown romance. You won't see her face ingame. Everything screams for "half-arsed job". At least she and Garrus find each other if not romanced, which is a sweet detail. Others hate her for that -.-

- Kaidan
Same issue like Ashley: too little romantic content in the second half of the game. In his case it doesn't feel that bad since he got an extra scene on board of the Normandy, but overall - Kaidan's romance, regardless if played straight or not, feels incomplete.

- Ashley
Pretty much the display of "how to make a complete three-games-spanning romance incomplete". And it stems only from the issue she doesn't talk to Shepard in the second half of the game. She doesn't interact with the rest of the crew, like Vega does. She stays in her room for most of the game, there is nothing indicating you have an ongoing romance with her. Between the date on on the Citadel and the romantic climax scene - nothing. Not even the smallest hint.
Liara in the other hand always feels like your girlfriend (even if not romanced), Garrus feels either like a best buddy or boyfriend, depending on your Shepard's gender. And given the fact Ashley WAS the talkative one in ME1, she went silent entirely in ME3, which is not only out of character, but also disappointing.
Needless to say that by adding one or two extra scenes between "the date" and "the sex" those issues would be gone for good and her romance would feel as complete as Liara's. It's not that I want BW to do the impossible ...

- Allers
Slap me. But she's a major wasted opportunity - in more than one way.
First of all: she's a fling, no romance. She doesn't count as one and you get your sex in the middle of the game.
Second: Allers replaces Emily Wong - which could have been a far more fascinating romantic interest than Allers. Plus: she had a lot of fans.
Third: Needless to say that "fanservice" doesn't work out that well sometimes, right?

- Traynor
That's just a detail, but I still can't believe she takes a shower in underwear. C'mon ... that's stupid.

- Cortez
Where's the proper gay foreplay scene? Why fading out? I don't have issues with a man kissing another man -.-


- JANE SHEPARD
Definitely her. At the end of ME3, there are exactly TWO straight romances left for her. Jacob cheated on her, Thane died. Garrus is still with her, and Kaidan, if not sacrificed, killed or sent off. If Kaidan got taken out of the game any way, only Garrus remains as romantic interest. Since Garrus can die in ME2 too, it's possible to end with a fem!Shep that has NO straight romantic love interest at all.
Not every female player wants a gay love. Not every female player is a fan of Garrus and Kaidan. Not every male player wants to see lesbian love. Just saying.
fem!Shep got too little straight options in ME3. I wonder why Vega is no LI for her.

Modifié par CptData, 13 novembre 2012 - 12:00 .

[Catroi]

EVERY ME2 romances

[Cashmoney007]

It is interesting that we have an emotional bond to a lot of these characters. I don't know of another series that has done that. For me, I thought it would be interesting to be with an alien instead of a human and that is why I picked Liara in the first game. I thought it would bother me that she was different in the second game but then got the dlc and made things more interesting when she took over as the shadow broker. In the third game, she drove me crazy a bit. We just feel real passionate about this series because a lot of us got so involved in it. 

Modifié par Cashmoney007, 13 novembre 2012 - 12:49 .

[Ottemis]

Cashmoney007 wrote...

It is interesting that we have an emotional bond to a lot of these characters. I don't know of another series that has done that. For me, I thought it would be interesting to be with an alien instead of a human and that is why I picked Liara in the first game. I thought it would bother me that she was different in the second game but then got the dlc and made things more interesting when she took over as the shadow broker. In the third game, she drove me crazy a bit. We just feel real passionate about this series because a lot of us got so involved in it.

Yeah that's the bottom line, exactly why people are so upset. Not everyone will or can get as immersed in the story and involved with their characters, but alot can and have. And this lack of romance-content just really hurts them and the game. There's no two ways about it.

[Catroi]

Cashmoney007 wrote...

It is interesting that we have an emotional bond to a lot of these characters. I don't know of another series that has done that. For me, I thought it would be interesting to be with an alien instead of a human and that is why I picked Liara in the first game. I thought it would bother me that she was different in the second game but then got the dlc and made things more interesting when she took over as the shadow broker. In the third game, she drove me crazy a bit. We just feel real passionate about this series because a lot of us got so involved in it.

Have you tried any other romance? because I think you can't really come here if you have the writer's pet as your romance...

Oh BTW bioware, thanks for showing me Liara at the end, it's not like I'd think about the Woman I love, Miranda <_<

[Saito404]

CptData wrote...
there is nothing indicating you have an ongoing romance with her. Between the date on on the Citadel and the romantic climax scene - nothing. Not even the smallest hint.

Actually, only Kaidan have some hint on that.

[Cashmoney007]

Catroi wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

It is interesting that we have an emotional bond to a lot of these characters. I don't know of another series that has done that. For me, I thought it would be interesting to be with an alien instead of a human and that is why I picked Liara in the first game. I thought it would bother me that she was different in the second game but then got the dlc and made things more interesting when she took over as the shadow broker. In the third game, she drove me crazy a bit. We just feel real passionate about this series because a lot of us got so involved in it.

Have you tried any other romance? because I think you can't really come here if you have the writer's pet as your romance...

Oh BTW bioware, thanks for showing me Liara at the end, it's not like I'd think about the Woman I love, Miranda <_<

I had a romance with Tali in ME2 as well as Liara.  But after Liara in ME2 then I just had a romance with Tali.  I can understand why you would say that about a writer's pet as your romance.  I was actually with Tali for a while in ME3 until I went back to Liara.  I also could have had a relationship with Jack in ME2 but decided against that.  I found her to be quite nuts.

Modifié par Cashmoney007, 13 novembre 2012 - 12:57 .

[Little Princess Peach]

I feel that an extended romance would be nice I mean example would be Kaidan romance, you never get to question him about the email he sent during me2, more interatioons ala me2 would be nice hell they could just copy and paste the emotes and stuff on all the Li's.

the dinner date was alright but it felt short, and I think the Li's in me3 should all be treated the same

[iSousek]

All of them. I would really like to be able to say only ME 2 companions need improvement in that department, but most of the ME 3 romances were also handled a bit poorly (ton of cut Ashley content for example, no real date with tali, no scene with garrus etc.)

[RiptideX1090]

Everyone's.

I go Tali, myself, and while I was satisfied with the conclusion of Rannoch, I was not happy with the romance scene before Chronos. It's about a third or shorter the length of Liara's, who also has the benefit of being with you most of the game.

Which is nothing compared to how jipped people who picked Miranda and Jack are. Or Thane.Or the one or two people that romanced Jacob.

Romance is an important part of RPGs like this. They help define our characters, give us wish fulfillment, ect. I believe it was Silverman who said something to the effect of "who cares who I romanced two games ago, it's all out war!"

Well, we care, Mister Silverman. While the upgrades to shooter mechanics are always appreciated, your time would have been better spent focusing on romance material for certain characters that doesn't boil down to "Do you still like me? k thnx bi".

[Catroi]

Did he really say that?

[Nightwriter]

Yes.

Exact quote: 

David Silverman wrote...

We’ve really struck a great balance. Obviously, if you’ve played the game before you’ll see things that apply to you… And even if you’ve played the games multiple times before – Mass Effect came out almost eight years ago – you’re not going to remember all the details from when you played that game, right? Even I can’t recall everything that happened to me when that came out in 2007. It’s human nature. We’re not Rain Man…

I think this is definitely the best chance we have in the series to really break out and go truly blockbuster. It really is a natural entry point for people: giant alien race launches all-out war, you have to rally the forces of the universe to counter and see if you can take them down. That’s pretty clear. You don’t need to be like: ‘Well, what about when I had this love affair?’ It’s like, who cares? It’s all out war!

Sources:
http://www.computera...ure-y-than-me2/
http://gamerant.com/...ble-dyce-99145/
http://www.videogame...on_and_rpg.html

Modifié par Nightwriter, 14 novembre 2012 - 02:43 .

[Blind2Society]

I think myself and many other got shafted far worse than Miranda/Jack/Thane fans.

We had to listen to talk of Jacob all the time....

Modifié par Blind2Society, 14 novembre 2012 - 02:48 .

[Wifflebottom]

Everyone but Liara, Garrus, Tali, and Kaidan/Ashley's romances could've been improved but I guess they wanted to give them the most attention because they were all in the first game. Shame too ME2 romance arcs were pretty good but got shafted and ME3s nonsquadmate romances weren't the same level as the others.

[Estelindis]

Nightwriter wrote...

Yes.

Exact quote: 

David Silverman wrote...

We’ve really struck a great balance. Obviously, if you’ve played the game before you’ll see things that apply to you… And even if you’ve played the games multiple times before – Mass Effect came out almost eight years ago – you’re not going to remember all the details from when you played that game, right? Even I can’t recall everything that happened to me when that came out in 2007. It’s human nature. We’re not Rain Man…

I think this is definitely the best chance we have in the series to really break out and go truly blockbuster. It really is a natural entry point for people: giant alien race launches all-out war, you have to rally the forces of the universe to counter and see if you can take them down. That’s pretty clear. You don’t need to be like: ‘Well, what about when I had this love affair?’ It’s like, who cares? It’s all out war!

Sources:
http://www.computera...ure-y-than-me2/
http://gamerant.com/...ble-dyce-99145/
http://www.videogame...on_and_rpg.html

...Dayum.  I'd forgotten he'd said that.  I guess that explains a lot regarding most romances apart from Liara's.

Regarding Ashley and Kaidan, I felt that it was cruel that, after we waited from the end of Mass Effect 1 right through 2 and up to 3 to get them in our teams again, we were deprived of them during the first long stretch of ME3 as well.  And, when we do get them back, there's very little romance-specific content apart from the date and the pre-final-battle scene.  I did like what we got but I honestly expected more.

It seems like Miranda and Jack had a lot of lost potential given how good their writing was in ME2.

To my mind, though, the worst offenders here are definitely Thane and Jacob.  If Thane absolutely had to die, then at least he should have counted for the Paramour achievement and Shepard's dialogue should have given her many opportunities to mourn him during the rest of the game.  Jacob's... continuation... was a slap to the face of anyone who romanced him.  You know, speaking of forgotten quotes, I was sure someone from Bioware was on record as saying that they would treat all romances equally because each of them have their fans, but what was done with Jacob (compared with, at the other extreme, Liara) would have to be the fullest refutation of that claim.

[d-boy15]

CptData wrote...

- JANE SHEPARD
Definitely her. At the end of ME3, there are exactly TWO straight romances left for her. Jacob cheated on her, Thane died. Garrus is still with her, and Kaidan, if not sacrificed, killed or sent off. If Kaidan got taken out of the game any way, only Garrus remains as romantic interest. Since Garrus can die in ME2 too, it's possible to end with a fem!Shep that has NO straight romantic love interest at all.
Not every female player wants a gay love. Not every female player is a fan of Garrus and Kaidan. Not every male player wants to see lesbian love. Just saying.
fem!Shep got too little straight options in ME3. I wonder why Vega is no LI for her.

well said. it's seem like bioware though male player play femshep just because wanted too see girl or girl action.

[Nightwriter]

Blind2Society wrote...

I think myself and many other got shafted far worse than Miranda/Jack/Thane fans.

We had to listen to talk of Jacob all the time....

You're talking about people who wanted a Kasumi romance?

I sympathize, but it seems to me that your complaint isn't in the same field as ours. Kasumi was never a love interest.

You think it's lame that they didn't start anything. We think it's lame that they started something and didn't finish it.

[spirosz]

Jack's emotional aspect to her relationship with Shepard. Hey, where'd that paragon romance fly off to?

Modifié par spirosz, 14 novembre 2012 - 04:48 .

[coldwetn0se]

All romances should have been well treated. Every. Single. One of them. From those that came from ME1, to ME2's lot, and on to the new romantic recruits in me3 (Steve and Sam). I would have also like to have seen added material for Samara and a Paramour Achievement for Kelly.

It isn't that I actually expected all this, but I had hoped. And I sure as hell hoped that those that CHOSE to romance somebody, would have seen even-handed content for those, we the role-players fell for. Whether they were our friends, antagonists, or Love Interests...these characters deserved thorough, quality content. For role-players like myself, THEY were who I was fighting for. Just as Mordin uses his nephew to put a face to the war that he is fighting, so do we the players. Love, friendship, companionship. These are all things we strive for in real life. And in a RPG, they help us connect to our PC's, and the worlds we play in. The makers of these games recognize it, and thus include it in their games. So all I had hoped for, is a dignified ending for ALL the romanceable characters, in the Mass Effect trilogy.

.......myself. A dedicated Thanemancer. May all of you get your Shepard's story.