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[Lawrence0294]

Nightwriter wrote...

Yes.

Exact quote: 

David Silverman wrote...

We’ve really struck a great balance. Obviously, if you’ve played the game before you’ll see things that apply to you… And even if you’ve played the games multiple times before – Mass Effect came out almost eight years ago – you’re not going to remember all the details from when you played that game, right? Even I can’t recall everything that happened to me when that came out in 2007. It’s human nature. We’re not Rain Man…

I think this is definitely the best chance we have in the series to really break out and go truly blockbuster. It really is a natural entry point for people: giant alien race launches all-out war, you have to rally the forces of the universe to counter and see if you can take them down. That’s pretty clear. You don’t need to be like: ‘Well, what about when I had this love affair?’ It’s like, who cares? It’s all out war!

Sources:
http://www.computera...ure-y-than-me2/
http://gamerant.com/...ble-dyce-99145/
http://www.videogame...on_and_rpg.html

Oh my God.........

[RShara]

Gah, every time I read these threads I rage all over again. SOMEONE HOLD ME!

WHY BIOWARE WHY? *SOBS*

[coldwetn0se]

*holds Shara*

was that good for you?

[fiendishchicken]

Personally, I wanted *much* more Miranda.

I think the romances for everyone, yes even Liara were a bit shafted. I was expecting, when I first played ME3, a game that was a true culmination of everything in the trilogy.

Minus a few plot points (reaper war namely) I was expecting everything in the game to be vastly different for everything. How you handled past events in the trilogy and all that would truly decide how everything worked out.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

The people who need a better romance are Liara and the VS. Thanes one had too much content and it was unfair. Half of the budget was spent on modelling Miranda's ass, so that's really unfair as well.

[krukow]

I felt Jacob and Allers were underdeveloped. They're the two most dynamic and interesting characters in the game, and they're completely left to rot so we can watch Liara walk around naked and be the worst shadow broker in the history of the milky way (seriously, I'm not convinced she can program a VCR).

[fiendishchicken]

Oh Krukow.

Who else but you? You little rascal.

[Zazzerka]

krukow wrote...

I felt Jacob and Allers were underdeveloped. They're the two most dynamic and interesting characters in the game, and they're completely left to rot so we can watch Liara walk around naked and be the worst shadow broker in the history of the milky way (seriously, I'm not convinced she can program a VCR).

I got to the part when you were talking about Liara naked and I...

Sorry, you mentioned Liara being naked and I just kind of..

No, you said Liara was naked and that made me...

What are we talking about?

Modifié par GT Zazzerka, 14 novembre 2012 - 06:48 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

fiendishchicken wrote...
I think the romances for everyone, yes even Liara were a bit shafted. I was expecting, when I first played ME3, a game that was a true culmination of everything in the trilogy.

Garrus was IMO pretty much the only romance interest who got exactly the treatment I thought he deserved.  I'm also horribly biased, but Garrus's dialogue develops the character in both romance and friendship, differs significantly enough between romance vs. friendship, and there's a lot of it.  Tali also gets a decent amount of screen time and differences in dialogue, though she turns up quite late in the game.

The biggest problem IMO with the VS and Liara was how little the dialogue changes between romanced and not.  Also, lack of ambient stuff aboard the Normandy.  Garrus, Cortez, Vega, Joker, and EDI have something new to say after almost every mission.  Liara and Ash/Kaidan...not so much.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 14 novembre 2012 - 08:24 .

[KevTheGamer]

Miranda, Thane, Jack, Tali, were all too short. I also found it a bit harder to romance in ME 3. I finished a play through last week and I really tried to romance Kaiden with my fem shep and the option never appeared. Granted she did not romance in ME or ME 2 but for the option not to appear seemed odd especially since Kaiden came on to one of my brosheps who was shagging Miranda. You can't go from Miranda to a guy. Its just not possible

[Sable Rhapsody]

KevWestBeats.com wrote...
I finished a play through last week and I really tried to romance Kaiden with my fem shep and the option never appeared.

As I understand it you have to buy the VS a gift in the hospital and be reasonably nice in all your interactions.  The gift for Kaidan is that whiskey.  

And can I say how much bull it is that you can't argue with LIs in ME and still continue the romance?  Real life relationships don't break down at the first sign of conflict--they work through it.  Yet as soon as you call Ash out on her crap or get into Jacob's weird talking-about-feelings issues or ask Thane about potential dead spouse problems, the relationship instantly shuts down.  You'd think Shep and co. were mature enough to deal with it like adults <_<

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 14 novembre 2012 - 10:40 .

[Dominus]

Real life relationships don't break down at the first sign of conflict--they work through it. Yet as soon as you call Ash out on her crap or get into Jacob's weird talking-about-feelings issues or ask Thane about potential dead spouse problems, the relationship instantly shuts down. You'd think Shep and co. were mature enough to deal with it like adults.

That's something that really needs to be expanded upon. I've seen topics on that both in ME and DA boards. We really need to see a level of conflict that feels more realistic than what's been done previously in titles.

Yes, Thane's spousal issues and memories-brought-to-life is very conflicting in a relationship, but it's still a tad simplistic and unchallenging in terms of the gameplay itself.

What we could really use is a challenge in terms of relationship statuses higher than what's been seen before.

Modifié par DominusVita, 14 novembre 2012 - 11:47 .

[ghost9191]

well seemed ashley lacked on the relationship side. pretty much every ME2 romance option, including jacob and thane, tali was pretty good and eh liara same i guess . iffy on garrus

so ashley and most of ME2 romance options in my opinion. need to see kiadans again . tali was limited but better then others

[CptData]

ghost9191 wrote...

well seemed ashley lacked on the relationship side. pretty much every ME2 romance option, including jacob and thane, tali was pretty good and eh liara same i guess . iffy on garrus

so ashley and most of ME2 romance options in my opinion. need to see kiadans again . tali was limited but better then others

Think I said something like that before.

Tali came back too late for my taste. I would have loved to get her back in the first half of the game, not in the second half. Same can be said about Ashley and Kaidan, well, at least you had the hospital dialogues.

THANE is a real big issue to me. I know, he was dying, everyone knew it won't end with a happy ending. But still, I would have loved to see at least ONE optional mission you can take to try to find a cure for him. That would make his role in the coup even more tragic: you got a cure that may give him another 10 years or so, and he still sacrifices himself for the Salarian Councillor.
Also his dying scene should be significanlty different if romanced.

JACOB - well. He's the second human straight love interest. And the way BW treated him ... I mean, sure thing: give him a girlfriend if he's unromanced. Give him a reason to fight for. But if that guy is Shepard's LI, why in heaven does he have to rub it into her face? "You love the Normandy" - that's what he said, right? I felt offended by that, especially since I RPed my Shepard to do all the jazz for his LI (in that case Ashley). I can only imagine how ppl felt who had Jacob as LI.

Well, we can go through that again, it won't change much.

The character that got treated badly is fem!Shep. Just two straight options at the end of ME3 - and only if none of them died in ME1 (Kaidan), ME2 (Garrus) or ME3 (Kaidan). I wonder why Vega was no straight LI.

[Steelcan]

krukow wrote...

I felt Jacob and Allers were underdeveloped. They're the two most dynamic and interesting characters in the game, and they're completely left to rot so we can watch Liara walk around naked and be the worst shadow broker in the history of the milky way (seriously, I'm not convinced she can program a VCR).

Liara is just so utterly useless, and biased towards.

[CptData]

^ c'mon, no fighting, or someone closes this forum permanently

[Cashmoney007]

CptData wrote...

^ c'mon, no fighting, or someone closes this forum permanently

exactly

I never made this thread for people to start fighting so please keep it civil.

Modifié par Cashmoney007, 14 novembre 2012 - 02:57 .

[fiendishchicken]

Something else I wanted to see was romance conflict. I'm a dedicated Mirimancer (the only times I didn't romance her were the two femsheps I did for s&g, with Kaidan and Thane. If I could have romanced her, I would've).

I romanced Ash in one of my 3 ME1 playthroughs (One for Kaidan, One for Ash, and a Femshep for Kaidan) and I leave her for Miranda in ME2 and stay with Miranda throughout ME3. I won't lie. I REALLY do not like Ashley. Just about everything she says and does gets under my skin. So I won't lie, I wanted to see some romance conflict between the two, where I could totally cut into Ashley and maintain why I was done with her.

I really wanted to see that.

[spirosz]

fiendishchicken wrote...

Something else I wanted to see was romance conflict. I'm a dedicated Mirimancer (the only times I didn't romance her were the two femsheps I did for s&g, with Kaidan and Thane. If I could have romanced her, I would've).

I romanced Ash in one of my 3 ME1 playthroughs (One for Kaidan, One for Ash, and a Femshep for Kaidan) and I leave her for Miranda in ME2 and stay with Miranda throughout ME3. I won't lie. I REALLY do not like Ashley. Just about everything she says and does gets under my skin. So I won't lie, I wanted to see some romance conflict between the two, where I could totally cut into Ashley and maintain why I was done with her.

I really wanted to see that.

Does that really improve anything regarding Miranda's romance Arc or Ashley? 

[CptData]

^ it can be considered as a conflict a Shepard has to solve if he romanced both, therefore it's a "yes".

However, in that case similar conflicts need to be added for any other LI that can run into the former / future LI.

[spirosz]

CptData wrote...

^ it can be considered as a conflict a Shepard has to solve if he romanced both, therefore it's a "yes".

However, in that case similar conflicts need to be added for any other LI that can run into the former / future LI.

If that's the case, I see it being a generalized addition, "LI says this (with minor changes at best depending on who it is), etc.  

I don't think Bioware would truly make those instances unique for the specific romances.  

[10K]

Every ME2 romance should have been expanded upon. Each of them had gotten over looked and most of them wanted you to end your relationship with them. Some ended the relationship for you instead, while others felt rushed. My point is, the ME2 romances were forgotten and we got stuck with Liara!!

[hadrain77]

[quote]AnthonyUK wrote...

well its hard with the ME2 characters who can die, how much can you do involving them in big arcs when they can be dead. But i think pretty much all ME2's romances needed more.

quote]

People gotta stop using they can be dead excuse because it didn't stop Garrus or Tali, why should it stop any other ME2 characters.

Modifié par hadrain77, 14 novembre 2012 - 05:23 .

[MACharlie1]

Hm.

I'm going to say all EXCEPT for Liara. Nothing against her but come on. She had an entire DLC devoted to reuniting with her in ME2. She had a romance in ME1. And then was in almost all of Shepard's cabin scenes even if she wasn't romanced.

Bring everyone else (and I mean everyone - Jacob, Thane included) up to the same level and then we'll talk about giving Liara another line.