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#176
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Nightwriter wrote...

Yes.

Exact quote: 

David Silverman wrote...

We’ve really struck a great balance. Obviously, if you’ve played the game before you’ll see things that apply to you… And even if you’ve played the games multiple times before – Mass Effect came out almost eight years ago – you’re not going to remember all the details from when you played that game, right? Even I can’t recall everything that happened to me when that came out in 2007. It’s human nature. We’re not Rain Man…

I think this is definitely the best chance we have in the series to really break out and go truly blockbuster. It really is a natural entry point for people: giant alien race launches all-out war, you have to rally the forces of the universe to counter and see if you can take them down. That’s pretty clear. You don’t need to be like: ‘Well, what about when I had this love affair?’ It’s like, who cares? It’s all out war!


Sources:
http://www.computera...ure-y-than-me2/
http://gamerant.com/...ble-dyce-99145/
http://www.videogame...on_and_rpg.html


Must... Resist urge to insult.... :pinched:

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Last time I checked I did fight a giant alien race.

And why did I? Well, technically I didn't. I just controlled Shepard who did. And his crew. And why did he fight a giant alien race? Because it was his duty. And he did it for his love, that very one that kept him sane & grounded all time.
For some of you this LI was Liara. For others it was Miranda. For those with a female Shepard it was Kaidan or Jacob or Thane. Or maybe Liara as well, not to forget Traynor. In my case it was Ashley.

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I was grateful to have my chance with Kelly Chambers. My only regret was not being able to talk with her at the end game, but then that's because the Citadel was one big question mark at that point.

You know...writing that sentence just reminded me of how much I hate Cerberus' absurdly large role in the third game. Sorry, don't mean to hijack the thread. :-(

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phimseto wrote...

I was grateful to have my chance with Kelly Chambers. My only regret was not being able to talk with her at the end game, but then that's because the Citadel was one big question mark at that point.

You know...writing that sentence just reminded me of how much I hate Cerberus' absurdly large role in the third game. Sorry, don't mean to hijack the thread. :-(


Didn't BW hint that we would see what happened to the people in the citadel? I seem to remember an employee mentioning shelters protected by mass effect fields that could eject from the station.

Reminded me what I wondered way back. Did Kelly die?

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CptData wrote...

Last time I checked I did fight a giant alien race.

And why did I? Well, technically I didn't. I just controlled Shepard who did. And his crew. And why did he fight a giant alien race? Because it was his duty. And he did it for his love, that very one that kept him sane & grounded all time.
For some of you this LI was Liara. For others it was Miranda. For those with a female Shepard it was Kaidan or Jacob or Thane. Or maybe Liara as well, not to forget Traynor. In my case it was Ashley.


There was a cgi trailer, it had a child with a toy starfighter and then the invasion came.

Cut to Shepard picking up the toy with Ash at his/her side. And then the gun comes out of it's holster. What ensues is more of a street brawl with hundreds of the Reaper forces coming at our hero and the hundreds of soldiers fighting at his side.

I was expecting that, with Krogan and Asari and Rachni and Turian's. Add tanks and gunships and Reaper strafing runs and......... well you get the idea.

But that's fighting the indoctrinated, huskisised forces of the Reapers. Not the Reapers themselves. The only time I think Shep directly downed one was on Rannoch. All the other times he indirectly destoyed them by getting other beings to do it.

The problem is, the Reapers are just to big. As bad guy's they utterly own the screen and not enough work went into leveling the playing field. Bringing the entire galaxy to bear on them was the plan from ME1 as far as I remember, but even that was rendered a non option.

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all of them.

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Catroi wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Yes.

Exact quote: 

David Silverman wrote...

We’ve really struck a great balance. Obviously, if you’ve played the game before you’ll see things that apply to you… And even if you’ve played the games multiple times before – Mass Effect came out almost eight years ago – you’re not going to remember all the details from when you played that game, right? Even I can’t recall everything that happened to me when that came out in 2007. It’s human nature. We’re not Rain Man…

I think this is definitely the best chance we have in the series to really break out and go truly blockbuster. It really is a natural entry point for people: giant alien race launches all-out war, you have to rally the forces of the universe to counter and see if you can take them down. That’s pretty clear. You don’t need to be like: ‘Well, what about when I had this love affair?’ It’s like, who cares? It’s all out war!


Sources:
http://www.computera...ure-y-than-me2/
http://gamerant.com/...ble-dyce-99145/
http://www.videogame...on_and_rpg.html


Must... Resist urge to insult.... :pinched:


lol someone can't count....

As for going blockbuster... hahaha.. yea.... I think that sppeaks for itself. That was the death of ME.

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Well it looks like the romance forums have been shut down for good.

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All of them?

But the ME2 ones are the ones that really got the shaft.

Modifié par ebevan91, 17 novembre 2012 - 04:53 .


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fiendishchicken wrote...

Well it looks like the romance forums have been shut down for good.


What? 

Just noticed.... "use groups"

Modifié par spirosz, 16 novembre 2012 - 12:44 .


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Well, initially they'd had said that the forum would be closed over the weekend while they come up with a solution, but it has become apparent that the closure is, and was likely intended to be, permanent.

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Yeah. The whole weekend thing sucked. I was under the impression it would be closed for a few days max, but then CP went away from the office for like a month. He came back and everyone was like "now it will get fixed" but nada. It looks like this is permanent closure for that forum.

It's kinda sad. There is a lot more negativity and crap in the Story section and MP section than the romance forum. Granted it needed work. But I'm tired of that "spirit of the BSN" thing they keep hammering about. I get it. It's a cool idea. But it's only an idea. This is going to alienate a lot of key fans for the game, especially the Romance fans. I don't know if that's an issue for them or not though since it seems that they're giving up support for the game. ME3 isn't even a year into it's life yet, plus there was that whole incident with the EC that pushed back the DLC schedule, etc.

BW or EA may have decided to cut their losses with ME3 and simply decided to move on the ME4 or whatever.

I just want to have my post Reaper dream. Shepard and Miranda take on the universe together in the Normandy.

Modifié par fiendishchicken, 16 novembre 2012 - 01:15 .


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EDITNVM

Modifié par spirosz, 16 novembre 2012 - 01:28 .


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CptData wrote...

Last time I checked I did fight a giant alien race.

And why did I? Well, technically I didn't. I just controlled Shepard who did. And his crew. And why did he fight a giant alien race? Because it was his duty. And he did it for his love, that very one that kept him sane & grounded all time.
For some of you this LI was Liara. For others it was Miranda. For those with a female Shepard it was Kaidan or Jacob or Thane. Or maybe Liara as well, not to forget Traynor. In my case it was Ashley.

I can't see anything about Silverman's statement to support. You cannot get people invested in something only to say that that something ceases to matter in times of war -- that is actually when our investments matter most. In LotSB BioWare even allows us to say that our love interest is the reason we are fighting the Reapers.

I'm sure that BioWare, and even many fans, get quite tired of the romance fans and their desires/needs/complaints. But romance is a valid commodity that BioWare can and does sell in its games, and if it's there, it should be treated as well as any other commodity the storytelling experience offers. Because, like the ability to customize your character's personality and the ability to make choices that shape your universe, romances are just another feature that makes you care a little (or a lot) more about your personal story.

More than anything, it seemed like someone took Silverman aside before this interview and told him it was his duty to come out of it having convinced newcomers that ME3 would be utterly accessible to them -- and then he sort of... went a bit overboard.

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Nightwriter wrote...

I can't see anything about Silverman's statement to support. You cannot get people invested in something only to say that that something ceases to matter in times of war -- that is actually when our investments matter most. In LotSB BioWare even allows us to say that our love interest is the reason we are fighting the Reapers.

Exactly.

That's why I think BW did a great job with ME2 despite being already funded by EA and therefore "changed". ME2 wasn't perfect, but it still had a lot more RP elements than ME3, period. And it gave much more freedom, especially in the romance area. You weren't restricted to two human characters and an alien character available for both sides - you had more, fascinating options.

What I don't get, at least storywritingwise is the lack of interest on BW's side to continue the romance arcs of four of the six new romances in ME2.

As you said - and a lot of other people too - it's not just about the war. It has been always about your character and his/her choices. I go that far and say the ME series is less driven by story than by characters. The story is the background, the big picture, the setting for those characters. But it's all about them.

I'm sure that BioWare, and even many fans, get quite tired of the romance fans and their desires/needs/complaints. But romance is a valid commodity that BioWare can and does sell in its games, and if it's there, it should be treated as well as any other commodity the storytelling experience offers. Because, like the ability to customize your character's personality and the ability to make choices that shape your universe, romances are just another feature that makes you care a little (or a lot) more about your personal story.

Yup. Sure, we romanceers can be quite annoying for outsiders. I mean, all the fighting between fans of different LIs and such, that's quite difficult to understand if you don't have ANY connection to the characters in the game, despite being with the series from the beginning.
And yeah, those people don't understand why we care so much for Liara, Mordin, Ashley, Vega, Kaidan, Thane, why we feel upset how Jacob got treated, why people wanted to see a Kasumi as romance option.

It's pretty much like this: if you remove the action parts, the ME series is like an interactive book or movie. You decide how some small details turn out in a predefined story. In the long run you won't change that much, but you personalize this story, allowing yourself to become much more invested than in any other case. Infact: since you can pick a certain path, a certain romance etc, the predefined story becomes YOUR story.

Also I must say it's a big achievement for any writer if he or she creates a character you love or hate for what this character stands for and how it got developed. If a fictional character provokes big emotions, the writer did a good job. He or she did a bad job if you don't care at all for one of the characters, if that one is "meh" to you.


More than anything, it seemed like someone took Silverman aside before this interview and told him it was his duty to come out of it having convinced newcomers that ME3 would be utterly accessible to them -- and then he sort of... went a bit overboard.

That's a theory I'd like to believe in.

Who was the guy who said "play ME3, start with that part in the trilogy, you won't need to play the first two parts" - or something similar? Also Silverman?

Sure thing, you can play ME3 without the knowledge of ME1 and ME2. For those guys Vega was introduced, who gives enough background to understand what's going on. But actually ... playing ME3 only is like watching (and reading) "Lord of the Rings - Return of the King" only. You get an idea what's going on, but that's it. For the big picture, you need to watch (read) the first two parts too.

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Miranda. Ya dig?

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All of the ME2 romances, they got seriously shafted in ME3.

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CptData wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

More than anything, it seemed like someone took Silverman aside before this interview and told him it was his duty to come out of it having convinced newcomers that ME3 would be utterly accessible to them -- and then he sort of... went a bit overboard.

That's a theory I'd like to believe in.

Who was the guy who said "play ME3, start with that part in the trilogy, you won't need to play the first two parts" - or something similar? Also Silverman?

Yeah, it was Silverman who said that, as I recall... the only reason I remember that is cause I also remember calling him a complete and utter dumb*ss for that statement. :P

Modifié par AVPen, 16 novembre 2012 - 04:12 .