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[Olivia Wilde]

I've never really liked the Slayer

[xBUMMx]

JustinSonic wrote...

 Worthless classes:

1. Asari Vanguard (unless you spec to sniper)
2. Krogan Sentinel
3. Human Sentinel
4. Turian Sentinel (ouch, 3 Sentinels)
5. Pheonix Adept
6. Human Infiltrator
7. Batarian Soldier
8. Quarian Male Infiltrator
9. Krogan Vanguard (alright, I'm kidding with this one)

I have done very well with most- wait......

All of them. All of those kits. Maybe you're doing it wrong?

[Mahrac]

JustinSonic wrote...

 Worthless classes:

1. Asari Vanguard (unless you spec to sniper)
2. Krogan Sentinel
3. Human Sentinel
4. Turian Sentinel (ouch, 3 Sentinels)
5. Pheonix Adept
6. Human Infiltrator
7. Batarian Soldier
8. Quarian Male Infiltrator
9. Krogan Vanguard (alright, I'm kidding with this one)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Fortack]

Mozts wrote...

And I'm not sure where do you get this idea about Cryo blast being better than Snap Freeze. They have very similar debuffs, Cryo blast can get +10% slow movement speed. Thats about it.

Cryo Blast gives a 25% damage bonus instead of 15%. It's a much better debuff power.

- Can't setup Cryo Explosions on protected foes ( Snap Freeze can).
- Can't detonate tech burst or fire explosions (Snap freeze can).

Those are bugs. So not really relevant when you're comparing powers.

- Has very low area of effect (Snap freeze can hit multiple enemies easily).

How many powers have a 3 m radius? To call that a very small AoE is silly. Besides, Cryo Blast will freeze everything it hits. Snap Freeze will only freeze one target (everything else it hits is chilled only).

I will give her that, Cryo Blast doesn't have range limit and base cooldown is only 6 seconds. But FQE still is a gimped Paladin, even if they fix Snap Freezes bugs, Paladin gets more utility, more shields, more damage output.

Lolwut. The FQE can equip a Claymore and can use Cryo Blast as fast as a Paladin with a much weaker weapon (he needs 200% CD to have his SF close to Cryo Blast's cooldown). I don't think that I need to explain that Cryo Blast + Claymore shot >>>>>>> SF + Paladin, Talon or whatever. Furthermore, the FQE can cast the Cryo Blast - Incinerate combo a lot faster than the Paladin's can cast SF - Incinerate. Being able to create Ice Explosions a lot quicker is, well, better, no?

And if you're using FQE because of Cryo Blast, might as well use the Human Infitlrator. Sure he can't use incinerate, but Cloaks is probably going to make up for that DPS loss.

Are you on PC? If so, send me a PM and I show you how deadly a FQE can be. You have to be really good if you think you can beat her with either your Paladin, Human Infiltrator or whatever character you chose to play against Reapers & Collector (her best factions b/c there's loads of armor).

A FQE with Claymore can:
- One shot Ravangers
- Two shot Brutes
- Three shot Scions
(on gold)

Yeah, that's really horrible. She must be a totally worthless character to play ...

[Deerber]

JustinSonic wrote...

 Worthless classes:

1. Asari Vanguard (unless you spec to sniper)
2. Krogan Sentinel
3. Human Sentinel
4. Turian Sentinel (ouch, 3 Sentinels)
5. Pheonix Adept
6. Human Infiltrator
7. Batarian Soldier
8. Quarian Male Infiltrator
9. Krogan Vanguard (alright, I'm kidding with this one)

Are you high?

[KentGoldings]

class, no. Players, yes.

[PeskySquirrel]

I haven't like the Batarian Sentinel too much. On higher difficulties his submission net has a hard time hitting though when it does land it's very effective. Usually means you need to shoot an enemy first or wait for them to roll before you use it which in my opinion is total garbage.

[K_Os2]

JustinSonic wrote...

 Worthless classes:

1. Asari Vanguard (unless you spec to sniper)
2. Krogan Sentinel
3. Human Sentinel
4. Turian Sentinel (ouch, 3 Sentinels)
5. Pheonix Adept
6. Human Infiltrator
7. Batarian Soldier
8. Quarian Male Infiltrator
9. Krogan Vanguard (alright, I'm kidding with this one)

Nope, not going to sugar coat it, you just suck, as the first four classes you listed are powerhouses. None of those are bad except maybe #5 only if you were referring the kit pre-singularity revamp.

EDIT: My nomination is BF3 soldier

Modifié par K_Os2, 12 novembre 2012 - 07:38 .

[Deerber]

Fortack wrote...

Mozts wrote...

And I'm not sure where do you get this idea about Cryo blast being better than Snap Freeze. They have very similar debuffs, Cryo blast can get +10% slow movement speed. Thats about it.

Cryo Blast gives a 25% damage bonus instead of 15%. It's a much better debuff power.

- Can't setup Cryo Explosions on protected foes ( Snap Freeze can).
- Can't detonate tech burst or fire explosions (Snap freeze can).

Those are bugs. So not really relevant when you're comparing powers.

- Has very low area of effect (Snap freeze can hit multiple enemies easily).

How many powers have a 3 m radius? To call that a very small AoE is silly. Besides, Cryo Blast will freeze everything it hits. Snap Freeze will only freeze one target (everything else it hits is chilled only).

I will give her that, Cryo Blast doesn't have range limit and base cooldown is only 6 seconds. But FQE still is a gimped Paladin, even if they fix Snap Freezes bugs, Paladin gets more utility, more shields, more damage output.

Lolwut. The FQE can equip a Claymore and can use Cryo Blast as fast as a Paladin with a much weaker weapon (he needs 200% CD to have his SF close to Cryo Blast's cooldown). I don't think that I need to explain that Cryo Blast + Claymore shot >>>>>>> SF + Paladin, Talon or whatever. Furthermore, the FQE can cast the Cryo Blast - Incinerate combo a lot faster than the Paladin's can cast SF - Incinerate. Being able to create Ice Explosions a lot quicker is, well, better, no?

And if you're using FQE because of Cryo Blast, might as well use the Human Infitlrator. Sure he can't use incinerate, but Cloaks is probably going to make up for that DPS loss.

Are you on PC? If so, send me a PM and I show you how deadly a FQE can be. You have to be really good if you think you can beat her with either your Paladin, Human Infiltrator or whatever character you chose to play against Reapers & Collector (her best factions b/c there's loads of armor).

A FQE with Claymore can:
- One shot Ravangers
- Two shot Brutes
- Three shot Scions
(on gold)

Yeah, that's really horrible. She must be a totally worthless character to play ...

I'm sorry, but I believe that on equal level of skills, a FQE will never outscore a paladin. HI might take a bit more commitment... But from a certain skill level on, they will outscore FQE too.

That saying, I'm hardly saying that FQE is worthless. I love the class, she can be great. Just... Not as great as a (bugged) paladin, you know? 

[ktong747]

The answer to this question is entirely subjective, since by now Bioware has made every kit at least usable.

For me though it seems every class but infiltrator, since I have like 20 promotions in most classes and almost 100 in infiltrator.

[BjornDaDwarf]

JustinSonic wrote...

 Worthless classes:

8. Quarian Male Infiltrator

I know I'm taking the bait here, but can't stop myself.  All those classes are incredible.  But really, QMI?  TC boosted large AoE sparkly bombs of death aren't your cup of tea?

[KentGoldings]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

JustinSonic wrote...

 Worthless classes:

8. Quarian Male Infiltrator

I know I'm taking the bait here, but can't stop myself.  All those classes are incredible.  But really, QMI?  TC boosted large AoE sparkly bombs of death aren't your cup of tea?

You don't have to look at this list farther then item 1 to realize it's BS.  

Modifié par KentGoldings, 12 novembre 2012 - 07:55 .

[HolyAvenger]

There are no bad kits. Only people who play them badly.

[JustinSonic]

[quote]Scutshakes wrote...

I hope you're kidding with all of them.

[/quote]

Nope. I just can't personally find uses for the classes. I could go into detail if you'd like.


[quote]megabeast37215 wrote...

Fail... no wait... Epic Fail. 

LOL... you said Asari Vanguard and Batarian Soldier... two of the most dominant classes in the game on higher difficulties.

L2P noob...[/quote]

"Noob?" Really? Almost funny. Almost.

[quote]frostycyke wrote...

The fact that you listed Turian Sentinel and Batarian soldier means you might need to rethink how you evaluate your characters.

[/quote]

I evaluate my characters just fine, thanks!  These are solely my take on things and I feel they're all worthless. Thanks for playing!

[quote]xBUMMx wrote...

All of them. All of those kits. Maybe you're doing it wrong?

[/quote]

I've just never found good usuage/had good luck with any of them. I can go into elaborating detail as to why, but my main classes I run are the Drell Vangaurd, the Human Engineer, the Geth Infiltrator, the N7 Demolisher, N7 Fury, and recently the Turian Havok Soldier. I play all difficulties just fine, (with the exception of Platinum sometimes). They really just don't fit my playstyle and I find all the characters I listed worthless (again, minus the Krogan Vanguard).

[quote]Mahrac wrote...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[/quote]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[quote]Deerber wrote...

[quote]JustinSonic wrote...

 Worthless classes:

1. Asari Vanguard (unless you spec to sniper)
2. Krogan Sentinel
3. Human Sentinel
4. Turian Sentinel (ouch, 3 Sentinels)
5. Pheonix Adept
6. Human Infiltrator
7. Batarian Soldier
8. Quarian Male Infiltrator
9. Krogan Vanguard (alright, I'm kidding with this one)
[/quote]

Are you high?

[/quote]

Nope!


[quote]K_Os2 wrote...

[quote]JustinSonic wrote...

 Worthless classes:

1. Asari Vanguard (unless you spec to sniper)
2. Krogan Sentinel
3. Human Sentinel
4. Turian Sentinel (ouch, 3 Sentinels)
5. Pheonix Adept
6. Human Infiltrator
7. Batarian Soldier
8. Quarian Male Infiltrator
9. Krogan Vanguard (alright, I'm kidding with this one)
[/quote]

Nope, not going to sugar coat it, you just suck, as the first four classes you listed are powerhouses. None of those are bad except maybe #5 only if you were referring the kit pre-singularity revamp.

EDIT: My nomination is BF3 soldier

[/quote]

Thanks for your kind words! I greatfully appreciate the "creative input" you're giving me!

[quote]BjornDaDwarf wrote...

[quote]JustinSonic wrote...

 Worthless classes:

8. Quarian Male Infiltrator

[/quote]

I know I'm taking the bait here, but can't stop myself.  All those classes are incredible.  But really, QMI?  TC boosted large AoE sparkly bombs of death aren't your cup of tea?

[/quote]

I tried playing using that strategy, but never found solid use for it. The best I got out of the character was spec-ing Tactical Scan and sniping. Even then, I just kind of shrugged off the character. I enjoy the Engineer a whole lot, but as for the Infiltrator...not so much. What I DO like is combo-ing this guy and the Geth Infiltrator on Gold/Platinum. But, that's the only use I've found for him. 

Modifié par JustinSonic, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:01 .

[Fortack]

Deerber wrote...

I'm sorry, but I believe that on equal level of skills, a FQE will never outscore a paladin. HI might take a bit more commitment... But from a certain skill level on, they will outscore FQE too.

That saying, I'm hardly saying that FQE is worthless. I love the class, she can be great. Just... Not as great as a (bugged) paladin, you know? 

The funny thing is that I regularly out-score some of the best players on PC with her regardless who or what characters they are playing (including GI's, TGI's, or whatever). Some of those players are better than I am too.
I've yet to meet a Paladin who can match my lovely FQE against Reapers & Collectors (he's better against Cerb & Geth, true, but I never fight Geth anyway

The FQE does require more skill to be good. A noob standing behind a wall spamming Snap Freeze and have other teammates trigger iceplosions for him will do well on the score board. My FQE doesn't need help from teammates and she doesn't hide like a coward behind walls or a flashy shield either. She's a one-woman-Ice, Fire & Claymore-army

Modifié par Fortack, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:02 .

[Si7ent Sigh]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Si7ent Sigh wrote...

In my opinion, the basic human sentinel (Not the Paladin, who is awesome). I can't seem to make it work.

Don't worry about creating Bio-booms with that character... use warp as a debuff, use throw as a tech/biotic detonator and as a stagger tool. Take a good gun.. keep your recharge speed around +100%... play like a Soldier that Bio-booms occasionally.

Thing actually die alot faster if you hit it with Warp and shoot it, than if you hit it with warp, then wait and hit it with throw.

Good plan, might give it a try. I feel like just about every other class/character would be more useful to the team. (Yes, even Volus!).

[Si7ent Sigh]

megabeast37215 wrote...

JustinSonic wrote...

 Worthless classes:

1. Asari Vanguard (unless you spec to sniper)
2. Krogan Sentinel
3. Human Sentinel
4. Turian Sentinel (ouch, 3 Sentinels)
5. Pheonix Adept
6. Human Infiltrator
7. Batarian Soldier
8. Quarian Male Infiltrator
9. Krogan Vanguard (alright, I'm kidding with this one)

Fail... no wait... Epic Fail.

LOL... you said Asari Vanguard and Batarian Soldier... two of the most dominant classes in the game on higher difficulties.

L2P noob...

 Yeah, the Batarian solider is a beast. The only one on that list that I agree with is the Human Sentinel. The Krogan Sentinel is good for getting your "Mrrraaahh" on.

[JustinSonic]

Si7ent Sigh wrote...


 Yeah, the Batarian solider is a beast. The only one on that list that I agree with is the Human Sentinel. The Krogan Sentinel is good for getting your "Mrrraaahh" on. 

I can't find good use for it at all. I've speced Ballistic Blades numerous times using different settings and still have yet to get a good result. I don't like how Inferno Grenades handle, and I don't really like Blade Armor either. The Batarian itself handles awkwardly as well, as it's a bigger character, so its hitframes are probably larger as well. Also, the melee was fun to use at first, but it's still iffy.

I do enjoy the Sentinel though. Submission net is great, as well as setting up Tech Bursts with Shockwave.

[UEG Donkey]

Fortack wrote...

Deerber wrote...

I'm sorry, but I believe that on equal level of skills, a FQE will never outscore a paladin. HI might take a bit more commitment... But from a certain skill level on, they will outscore FQE too.

That saying, I'm hardly saying that FQE is worthless. I love the class, she can be great. Just... Not as great as a (bugged) paladin, you know? 

The funny thing is that I regularly out-score some of the best players on PC with her regardless who or what characters they are playing (including GI's, TGI's, or whatever). Some of those players are better than I am too.
I've yet to meet a Paladin who can match my lovely FQE against Reapers & Collectors (he's better against Cerb & Geth, true, but I never fight Geth anyway

The FQE does require more skill to be good. A noob standing behind a wall spamming Snap Freeze and have other teammates trigger iceplosions for him will do well on the score board. My FQE doesn't need help from teammates and she doesn't hide like a coward behind walls or a flashy shield either. She's a one-woman-Ice, Fire & Claymore-army

I run mine a bit differently i.e. Valient as opposed to Claymore but you're correct about the cooldown difference between snap freeze and cryoblast.  I find I have enough time to get three shots off before my cd is ready. Do you run a turret or forgo it in favor of more fitness/ passivedamage?

[Imp of the Perverse]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

The Ceberus Phoenix kits are rather difficult to use.

I agree, they've probably taken the longest for me to figure out. Their powers are pretty damaging, but they're slow to cast, not good on a relatively fragile character. Pretty good characters though once you get the hang of them. The adept is really well rounded - singularity will prime literally everything, smash will prime and detonate everything, and lash will prime and detonate anything but armored targets. Took me a while to figure out I could singularity -> lash a maruader for a BE without having to drop his shields first.

What seems to work is playing aggressively but jumping from cover to cover for the DR and partial protection. Also having warp ammo on a hurricane is great, hit armored targets with singularity if they're beyond smashing distance, and it'll prime them, giving you the warp ammo biotic damage bonus (as well as killing any swarmers if its a ravager, and picking up any mooks in the immediate area.) Then once you've closed the distance you can smash for a BE. After that smash will keep them primed (with the right evo) so you'll continue to get the weapon damage boost.

I tried using the hornet on him for one of the challenges, but I might stick with it. Its dps is only about 15% lower than my hurricane VI, and I like the way its lightning fast reloads never get in the way of things.

[Si7ent Sigh]

JustinSonic wrote...

Si7ent Sigh wrote...


 Yeah, the Batarian solider is a beast. The only one on that list that I agree with is the Human Sentinel. The Krogan Sentinel is good for getting your "Mrrraaahh" on. 

I can't find good use for it at all. I've speced Ballistic Blades numerous times using different settings and still have yet to get a good result. I don't like how Inferno Grenades handle, and I don't really like Blade Armor either. The Batarian itself handles awkwardly as well, as it's a bigger character, so its hitframes are probably larger as well. Also, the melee was fun to use at first, but it's still iffy.

I do enjoy the Sentinel though. Submission net is great, as well as setting up Tech Bursts with Shockwave.

I have good luck with max ballistic blades, max inferno grenades and skipping the blade armor.

Weapons, usually a Saber. Sometimes, Scorpion with a Phaeston.

[joker_jack]

fqe. she still feels pretty gimped. after they fix the glitched powers, she still can't explode reliably by herself. also her turret still falls behind the ge's.

bottom line, very poorly designed power set with little output and requirs more to work than the recent changes to the game will allow.

[tatski]

JustinSonic wrote...

Si7ent Sigh wrote...


 Yeah, the Batarian solider is a beast. The only one on that list that I agree with is the Human Sentinel. The Krogan Sentinel is good for getting your "Mrrraaahh" on. 

I can't find good use for it at all. I've speced Ballistic Blades numerous times using different settings and still have yet to get a good result. I don't like how Inferno Grenades handle, and I don't really like Blade Armor either. The Batarian itself handles awkwardly as well, as it's a bigger character, so its hitframes are probably larger as well. Also, the melee was fun to use at first, but it's still iffy.

I do enjoy the Sentinel though. Submission net is great, as well as setting up Tech Bursts with Shockwave.

Batarian Soldier is one of the best CQC character out there... He is probably the best Batarian overall... Ballistic Blade is an awesom crowd control skill... He can easily flatten an entire spawn area with Balistic Blades and Inferno 'nades...

Max out everything and skipped BA... Equip him with Wraith/Harrier (on open maps like Condor and Hydra). If you get close to a group the enemy Inferno Nades, Balistic Blades, Shoot..

Modifié par tatski, 13 novembre 2012 - 01:18 .

[frostycyke]

JustinSonic wrote...

Si7ent Sigh wrote...


 Yeah, the Batarian solider is a beast. The only one on that list that I agree with is the Human Sentinel. The Krogan Sentinel is good for getting your "Mrrraaahh" on. 

I can't find good use for it at all. I've speced Ballistic Blades numerous times using different settings and still have yet to get a good result. I don't like how Inferno Grenades handle, and I don't really like Blade Armor either. The Batarian itself handles awkwardly as well, as it's a bigger character, so its hitframes are probably larger as well. Also, the melee was fun to use at first, but it's still iffy.

I do enjoy the Sentinel though. Submission net is great, as well as setting up Tech Bursts with Shockwave.

http://narida.pytalh...enadeCapacity4/

This is exactly what I run, right down to the Harrier I and only Grenade max at +4, but the build is very solid. Spec spare ammo and weapon damage for his passive to make your gun last longer. General tactic is to find a spawn or a cluster of enemies, toss 2 grenades, fire blades and then walk away while everything dies. use the harrier for clean up and bosses. This build is beastly for long to mid range spawn clearing and it has a built in shotgun with the blades that provides it with two staggers, one for the first hit, and the second after the blades explode, dealing AOE damage and staggering any enemy close to the explosion.

Modifié par frostycyke, 12 novembre 2012 - 09:07 .

[tatski]

I don't really like the Volus adept.. he doesn't have much his offensive potential really suck...

Modifié par tatski, 13 novembre 2012 - 01:21 .