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[Cainne Chapel]

Greylycantrope wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

So, we're really doing this, huh? We're not gonna wait and see if...no? Not gonna, you know, maybe let the people at Bioware do their work and hope for something good? Maybe...let Bioware show they can, in fact, learn from past choices and...oh, alright. Cuz I thought that just maybe we could NOT, just once, do the same "gross misinterpretation based on nothing more than personal opinion loosely based on facts twisted to fit said opinion" schtick, but...yeah? We're still gonna...? Yeah; no problem, that's totally a good idea.

I hate a large part of this community so much right now.

I waited and saw what happend with DAII,ME3, SWTOR. 

Yeah the trust and optimism has run dry.

Guess I must be the only person on the BSN who enjoyed DA2 (though not near as mucha s DA:O) and loved ME3 as much as the other 2 (if not more in some ways, less in others).  

Fortunately I've yet to play a truly bad game from BW so yeah my optimism is still high.

[Persona RED]

 I just hope this remains as simply, "exploring" rather than completely doing something else and only displaying my favorite features as partially utilized tack-ons.

I got into Mass Effect because it allowed customization, choice, and interesting dialogue. If it's another narrative running straight down-hill through translucent plot, guns blazing, I'm just going to be disappointed.

I have a lot of faith in Bioware Montreal though. I bet they can't wait to work on it. Let's just hope they are gentle.

[Tritium315]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Shatterhand1701 wrote...

So, we're really doing this, huh? We're not gonna wait and see if...no? Not gonna, you know, maybe let the people at Bioware do their work and hope for something good? Maybe...let Bioware show they can, in fact, learn from past choices and...oh, alright. Cuz I thought that just maybe we could NOT, just once, do the same "gross misinterpretation based on nothing more than personal opinion loosely based on facts twisted to fit said opinion" schtick, but...yeah? We're still gonna...? Yeah; no problem, that's totally a good idea.

I hate a large part of this community so much right now.

I waited and saw what happend with DAII,ME3, SWTOR. 

Yeah the trust and optimism has run dry.

Guess I must be the only person on the BSN who enjoyed DA2 (though not near as mucha s DA:O) and loved ME3 as much as the other 2 (if not more in some ways, less in others).  

Fortunately I've yet to play a truly bad game from BW so yeah my optimism is still high.

I enjoyed DA2 but I didn't ignore the clear and obvious issues that were present in it (you said it yourself, DA:O was better). At the time I chalked it up to **** happens but after SWTOR and ME3 DA2 now appears to have been the start of the decline and not just a hiccup.

[Reth Shepherd]

...you know, when EAware released the EC, I promised myself I'd do as much as possible to derail their PR train for their upcoming games. No lies, mind; just things such as linking the promises for ME3 compared to what we actually got. And then I keep hearing gems such as this, and I can't help but think: "they keep this up, what's going to be left for me to do?!"

[GreyLycanTrope]

Tritium315 wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Guess I must be the only person on the BSN who enjoyed DA2 (though not near as mucha s DA:O) and loved ME3 as much as the other 2 (if not more in some ways, less in others).  

Fortunately I've yet to play a truly bad game from BW so yeah my optimism is still high.

I enjoyed DA2 but I didn't ignore the clear and obvious issues that were present in it (you said it yourself, DA:O was better). At the time I chalked it up to **** happens but after SWTOR and ME3 DA2 now appears to have been the start of the decline and not just a hiccup.

Pretty much how I feel. And yes I did enjoy DA2, it's faults weren't game breaking for me but they certainly did do the series any favors.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 13 novembre 2012 - 02:18 .

[Allen Spellwaver]

Robhuzz wrote...

Vlk3 wrote...

BioWare was great at making RPG, the trouble started when they began heading more into action - RPG. They should go back to their roots... But I'm afraid they want to attract FPS players instead. Too bad, because there are only a few of good RPGs and it seems we can't count on BioWare anymore. I hope I'm wrong, I really do.

I'm afraid you're right. ME3 was an RPG only in name already. Now they want to 'explore a new direction' which I'm afraid means they'll turn it into a generic tps with tacked on rpg elements... pretty much like ME3 but even worse.

I just wish they hadn't messed up ME3 like that, if they want to turn the franchise into another shooter (as if we don't have enough of those already) then that's their business but they could've finished the trilogy properly and THEN mess it up.

ETA: Not to say that a shooter can't be good. I loved Half Life 2 because it had an awesome story. Sadly, BioWare storytelling is not what it used to be either. If they can't even wrap up the trilogy story without resorting to a deus ex machina (and a ridiculous one at that), I have very low hopes for a completely new game.

MEs are never RPG but TPS and RPG hybrid. I think ME3 is more RPG than ME2 with many options and choices. People always say ME3's choices don't matter. Well, didn't the same thing happend in previous two games if we judge the word"doesn't matter "from your prespective?
Besides, ME3 has a much better loadout and power system which truely turned ME back to a balance between RPG and TPS.
Some people just take trolling on ME3 as a habitat and don't want to admit that it's still a great one.

[Killer3000ad]

Being familiar with PR releases, it's obvious that the next ME game won't be an RPG. With the failure of TOR and the disaster that was MOH:Warfighter, some EA suit is looking for another franchise to capitalize on in their neverending quest to beat COD. The next ME game will be a shooter, either 3rd of 1st person, will feature a human male-only protaganist, he will be a jarhead marine/spec ops type, the player will coast from one shootout to the next on rails with no choices or conversation options, the multiplayer will be co-op and have killstreaks, the single-player campagin will be 5-10 hours long and some PR release will say that RPGs are not cost-effective compared to shooters. Well EA, look how Syndicate and Warfighter turned out.

Modifié par Killer3000ad, 13 novembre 2012 - 09:41 .

[iOnlySignIn]

You need to step outside the tiny excluded island of BSN and look at EA's real target audience.

Over 90% of the players who play ME3 play on Action Mode with default Male Shepard. They don't give a flying plimp about your story, dialogue wheel, choices or consequences.

So just bend over and take it. Or buy some other game. Stop complaining because you aren't going to change a prunking thing.

[Yesmar]

I fear the next Mass effect will be a shooter.

[Heimdall]

Cainne Chapel wrote...]

Guess I must be the only person on the BSN who enjoyed DA2 (though not near as mucha s DA:O) and loved ME3 as much as the other 2 (if not more in some ways, less in others).  

Fortunately I've yet to play a truly bad game from BW so yeah my optimism is still high.

Not the only one, I have similar opinions on all the games you've mentioned.

[Heimdall]

I see no reason to jump on the bandwagon of wailing and gnashing of teeth just yet. After the disappointment ME3 was to some people, they may have a right to be a bit pessimistic, but this game cannot be judged yet. It is far too soon. For all we know, a new direction may return more RPG features, I only mean to say that this doom and gloom is premature.

[SpamBot2000]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Over 90% of the players who play ME3 play on Action Mode with default Male Shepard.

Huh? If this is a joke of some description, I don't get it.

[Reth Shepherd]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Over 90% of the players who play ME3 play on Action Mode with default Male Shepard.

Huh? If this is a joke of some description, I don't get it.

ME3 was targeted towards the shooter crowd, specifically the CoD bunch. That group is perceived by many game makers as not caring about story or story campaigns. Given that the MP forums are notorious for comments such as 'shut up, who cares about the story anyway', this stereotype may have some validity. For the record, iOnlySignIn isn't using an actual statistic, as Bioware hasn't released their internal numbers that I'm aware of. There are various surveys that include these types of questions (most notably the Mass Effect 3 Opinion Poll), but as they were created in response to the ME3 ending and therefore the people drawn to them tend to ONLY be the RPG type, we can't get an overall view.

That said, I'll add that as badly as Bioware managed to tick off the RPG gaming subgroup, it is entirely possible that their next game WILL have these types of numbers. Halo, for example, has people who purchase it ONLY for the MP, and that series has quite a good story campaign.

[SpamBot2000]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Over 90% of the players who play ME3 play on Action Mode with default Male Shepard.

Huh? If this is a joke of some description, I don't get it.

ME3 was targeted towards the shooter crowd, specifically the CoD bunch. That group is perceived by many game makers as not caring about story or story campaigns. Given that the MP forums are notorious for comments such as 'shut up, who cares about the story anyway', this stereotype may have some validity. For the record, iOnlySignIn isn't using an actual statistic, as Bioware hasn't released their internal numbers that I'm aware of. There are various surveys that include these types of questions (most notably the Mass Effect 3 Opinion Poll), but as they were created in response to the ME3 ending and therefore the people drawn to them tend to ONLY be the RPG type, we can't get an overall view.

That said, I'll add that as badly as Bioware managed to tick off the RPG gaming subgroup, it is entirely possible that their next game WILL have these types of numbers. Halo, for example, has people who purchase it ONLY for the MP, and that series has quite a good story campaign.

Thing is, sales figures for ME3 are around the same as for ME2 as far as I know. It would seem reasonable to assume many of the same people who played 2 would buy 3. So these kinds of statistics would mean a huge segment of ME2 players were playing going "Man, the shootin's decent, but these talky bits are totally useless!"  So we would probably be aware of such opinions. And would they really be interested in buying ME3 with all the shooter competition out there? 

I would still doubt a 9% figure for Action mode, let alone 90%.

[NovaBlastMarketing]

It would be a very big disappointment if ME4 lost its RPG elements ..but i t would n ot be a surprise Bioware has clearly shown up to this point that the arcade shooter /Cod ?halo crowd is more important to them than the RPG crowd they had since they launched BG.

[MstrJedi Kyle]

Restrider wrote...

Well, the players complained about having not enough choices or that they did not matter. The logical conclusion would NOT be to scrap that part...

That's what BioWare has done in the past though. People complained the the inventory screen got too cluttered, scrapped. Planet exploration got repetitive, scrapped. Planet scanning is a little boring, scrapped. The Mako controls are bad, scrapped. It seems to me the BioWare just tends to scrap things instead of improve them. I don't want to judge a game that isn't out yet, I mean we haven't even seen screen shots. I'm still worried about what the future holds though. 

[Redbelle]

DarthKilby wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Well, the players complained about having not enough choices or that they did not matter. The logical conclusion would NOT be to scrap that part...

That's what BioWare has done in the past though. People complained the the inventory screen got too cluttered, scrapped. Planet exploration got repetitive, scrapped. Planet scanning is a little boring, scrapped. The Mako controls are bad, scrapped. It seems to me the BioWare just tends to scrap things instead of improve them. I don't want to judge a game that isn't out yet, I mean we haven't even seen screen shots. I'm still worried about what the future holds though. 

I've been speaking out about the tendency to remove game mechanics as well. ME1 caught everyones attention by being a little bit of everything. ME2 made it's name by doing some things really well and removing or innovating other aspects.

With ME3 I had hoped that with ME2 as a template they could work on reincorporating old mechanics and making them better. The driving sections being perhaps the most prominent of the bunch.

It wasn't GTA but it was something more than COD. And being more than a standard shooter, but a BW stamp of approval shooter done with their trademark attention to interactive story, plot and game mechanics, made it brilliant.

[Giantdeathrobot]

AKA you're taking a vague, marketing-based pre-production line as gospel and declaring apocalypse because of it.

This thread is bad and you should feel bad (I've always wanted to type that)

[liggy002]

To be fair,

Mass Effect already is a squad based shooter. If they are talking about removing the dialogue wheel, well yeah that sucks because Mass Effect principally revolves around choices.

[futurepixels]

I take back my outrage, I found this in the General forum:

Schrijver wrote...

Yanick Roy wrote it on Twitter (choices) and here (relationships).

So good news!

UPDATE: It will have both the shooter and the rpg elements still there.

+1 for Yanick answering important questions.

Modifié par futurepixels, 13 novembre 2012 - 07:04 .

[futurepixels]

Here is the thread that includes the links: http://social.biowar.../index/14914707

[kyban]

I'm scared guys. Not just from what the OP said, but after reading the blog post.

The creative team is changed from Edmonton to Montreal, new studios always make me nervous.
And the next is that they're using the Frostbite engine. What games utilizes this engine? Battlefield.
I know game engines are powerful and there's so much you can do with them, but this just concerns me further.

[Kel Riever]

Are you saying I can expect the downhill slide to continue?!

Yeah, heh, I know that isn't what they mean, but you know, sticking their head in the sand about ME3 basically means I'll take anything they've got for free, and pass on the rest until they fix the ending. Which, since it will be never, will have me be playing ME 3 MP for a long time.

Hey, no ending is better than an atrocious one.

[SpamBot2000]

kyban wrote...

I'm scared guys. Not just from what the OP said, but after reading the blog post.

The creative team is changed from Edmonton to Montreal, new studios always make me nervous.
And the next is that they're using the Frostbite engine. What games utilizes this engine? Battlefield.
I know game engines are powerful and there's so much you can do with them, but this just concerns me further.

You know what game also uses Frostbite? Need For Speed: The Run.

Engines don't just dictate genre, they are designed to be adaptible.