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[krknight]

weight probably added tomorrow or next week...

in response to "when is it going to get nerfed..." [paraphrased].

Modifié par krknight, 13 novembre 2012 - 02:26 .

[DHKany]

Charaxan wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Charaxan wrote...

Oh, if I may add :

DPS for the acolyte (in burst) is 264.9
DPS for... Geth Plasma SMG is... 268.


Yeah, sure we have an OP pistol.

multiply that by five for any protection whatsoever. 

Also if I may add,

GPSMG doesn't stagger
GPSMG doesn't taze unshielded enemies
GPSMG doesn't do 100% of its damage to armor, the Acolyte does. 
GPSMG needs charge up, Acolyte doesn't.

People always forget utility. And when they do, it's usually because they barely played the game. 

All right... Compare it to the predator X : DPS burst : 612.5.
Almost three times.


- No need to stagger when next shot will kill
- No need to taze unshielded ennemies when your headshot will kill it.
- DPS acolyte X vs armor (sustained) in Gold : 162
- DPS of predator X vs armor (sustained) in Gold : 141

Yeah, still SOOO op compared to the predator X you get at the verry begining of the game...

Talking about playing ; as I said, you will have trouble trying to kill ennemies with it only. You will not be efficient. That's my 360h playing an AA with Acolyte in gold/platinum talking.

And,

This gun is a gun made for those who THINK. You have to coordonate with your powers to be efficient, and to think what to do frist and to who to be verry efficient.

If course it is good ! It is made to be good ! It is a "two side of the coin" gun. Weak in some parts (dps) but verry good in other parts (shields and incapacitating) so of course, when players can play with it, is is GOOD.
But that's the purpose of gun based on utilities : if they are lame even when you optimise yourself to play with it, it is not usefull to creat a weapon like this !

Next, you will say what ? Shotguns are overpowered because the do a lot of damage at close range and snipers have a scope and should be nerfed because of this utility?

Acolyte is the only gun I know you can't use if you can't play. If you spam acolyte rounds everywhere, you will hit sometimes but you will be dead in gold in no time. 

Don't blame a gun because people learn to use it.

Or, change the game radically and give us lots of guns with differents skins but sames stats and that's it.

You just don't get it at all. 
Next I will say that your post is beyond stupid. 

-Yeah, SURE one shot of a predator sure as hell will kill. And are you implying that stagger is unnecessary? Because if you are, you're an idiot. 
-lol. I'd rather have a taze than a kinda-sorta chance of headshotting them (and still not killing them whilst using the predator)
-You sure as hell love DPS don't you? DPS doesn't mean the world you know. 

What the Predator does in that second the Acolyte out does it per shot. 

Point Click. What is there to learn now? Before there was the charge up to compensate for, now that is gone give me ONE THING that you have to learn about the Acolyte in order to use it. 

There is no weak points to this gun. Superb weight, Excellent Damage, decent mag size, awesome utility etc. etc. 

Also your points on the shotguns are moot. Those are the freakin ROLES of the weapons. The role of a pistol is supposed to be a semi decent back up weapon, not a second primary. 

There is nothing to learn about this gun. 

And about the last line. So what are you saying? Nerfs = weapons becoming the same? 

[Charaxan]

DHKany wrote...


And about the last line. So what are you saying? Nerfs = weapons becoming the same? 

I am saying that you can't nerf a gun because its usefull when risks are taken or when intelligence is used instead of blunt force.

But as I am stupid (insults comes form those who don't have strong arguments...), I can't say more than I have seen all the stats (and you can see them here too; analyse this whith you greater intelligence, human https://docs.google....R2ZWc5bWc&gid=8 ) and the conclusions are :

Either I am too good with other weapons than acolyte to see that acolyte is OP, or, you like to spam acolyte everywhere and find it OP and could do a lot more damages with other guns if you where a good player.


Have fun analysing.

Modifié par Charaxan, 13 novembre 2012 - 02:36 .

[krknight]

alliance funding received on promise of no further krogan anal probes.

[DHKany]

Charaxan wrote...

DHKany wrote...


And about the last line. So what are you saying? Nerfs = weapons becoming the same? 

I am saying that you can't nerf a gun because its usefull when risks are taken or when intelligence is used instead of blunt force.

But as I am stupid (insults comes form those who don't have strong arguments...), I can't say more than I have seen all the stats (and you can see them here too; analyse this whith you greater intelligence, human https://docs.google....R2ZWc5bWc&gid=8 ) and the conclusions are :

Either I am too good with other weapons than acolyte to see that acolyte is OP, or, you like to spam acolyte everywhere and find it OP and could do a lot more damages with other guns if you where a good player.


Have fun analysing.

Insults come from me because people are genuinely stupid. 
I've seen that list hundreds of times, and from there I learnt that DPS (the things which you oh so very love) isn't everything about the gun. 

The conlusions are, you spell english like a five year old, Acolyte basically has 5 times its listed DPS on everything with protection. I do like to spam acolyte, because the whole game is about spamming weapons and powers. Exceptions to this might be single shot sniper rifles, and infinte ammo weapons but other than that name me scenario when you aren't spamming your gun/ power at an enemy. 

[nicethugbert]

Stardusk wrote...
When people tell you that a shield/barrier flamer build is bad because you can use the Acolyte, something is wrong.

That evolution was never popular on the forums.  Even after the flamer/reeger bug was fixed, shield evolution did not become popular on the forums.  People now saying use Acolyte were previously using another weapon to do the same thing and they were happy with 100% weapon weight.  All the speed runners and soloers would take the more powerful weapon at 100% weapon weight rather than the less powerful weapon at 200% weapon weight.  If all the weapons were turned into sporks, nothing would change.  People would continue to repeat the same actions.

Acolyte is the new fad and the new under dog because of it.  Prior to Acolyte, it was Piranha., before that, Krysae, Harrier, Reeger.  It never ends.

Modifié par nicethugbert, 13 novembre 2012 - 02:52 .

[Charaxan]

DHKany wrote...


The conlusions are, you spell english like a five year old, Acolyte basically has 5 times its listed DPS on everything with protection. I do like to spam acolyte, because the whole game is about spamming weapons and powers. Exceptions to this might be single shot sniper rifles, and infinte ammo weapons but other than that name me scenario when you aren't spamming your gun/ power at an enemy. 

Yeah, sorry dude, it is true that we, strangers, have no intelligence because english is not our mother tong and SOME of us didn't learn english before an other language. And I suppose I am stupid as are stupid everybody except those who think like you.

I love you man. Continue to write, I hope to see more of "everybody is stupid but me and thow who aren't born in good old comonwealth are not worth speaking with.

Really, I am sorry if I hurt you with my english. I am sure you have plenty of rich and great idea you wish to share with me but I can't read them nor can I answer to them because of my lack of english culture.
When I read "you people are stupid", It surely mean something far way more elaborate and less self-incriminating.


Oh, by the way, I am sorry for the delay, I was re-testing the predator just for fun with my AA? No mods, no secondary weapon no gear, no use of biotics, nothing. Same for the acolyte.
I surely can't speak english, but I can do mathematics and test en experiment, and my conclusion is : acolyte is not a weapon you can relly on only.
You still have to use something else with it, or take a lot of time for nothing. (try it on a prime or an Atlas... Have fun)
But as I am a stupid non-local, I am sure my competences count for nothing, and I hope your english will help while playing.

Have fun.

Modifié par Charaxan, 13 novembre 2012 - 03:07 .

[Zack and Miranda Make a]

Charaxan wrote...

DHKany wrote...


And about the last line. So what are you saying? Nerfs = weapons becoming the same? 

I am saying that you can't nerf a gun because its usefull when risks are taken or when intelligence is used instead of blunt force.

But as I am stupid (insults comes form those who don't have strong arguments...), I can't say more than I have seen all the stats (and you can see them here too; analyse this whith you greater intelligence, human https://docs.google....R2ZWc5bWc&gid=8 ) and the conclusions are :

Either I am too good with other weapons than acolyte to see that acolyte is OP, or, you like to spam acolyte everywhere and find it OP and could do a lot more damages with other guns if you where a good player.


Have fun analysing.

DH is an excellent player. I used to play with him, though I never see him online anymore.

[Charaxan]

Zack and Miranda Make a wrote...


DH is an excellent player. I used to play with him, though I never see him online anymore.

Some people says that of me too. So ?

[krknight]

nicethugbert wrote...
Acolyte is the new fad and the new under dog because of it.  Prior to Acolyte, it was Piranha., before that, Krysae, Harrier, Reeger.  It never ends.

i'm totally missing something here if the acolyte is anything in comparison to the aforementioned weapons when they were first introduced to the game.

[Zack and Miranda Make a]

Charaxan wrote...

Zack and Miranda Make a wrote...


DH is an excellent player. I used to play with him, though I never see him online anymore.

Some people says that of me too. So ?

So I was responding to your quote, "... if you were a good player." Which you directed at DH. I'm not sure what else you'd like me to elaborate on.

[Charaxan]

Zack and Miranda Make a wrote...
So I was responding to your quote, "... if you were a good player." Which you directed at DH. I'm not sure what else you'd like me to elaborate on.

True.

I meant "if you are", not "if you were", as like your friend said, my english is childish.

Sorry.

[mpompeo27]

Why does everyone act like shields are such a difficult challenge to overcome that they need the acolyte? I prefer the Talon in 100% of situations.

[Zack and Miranda Make a]

Charaxan wrote...

Zack and Miranda Make a wrote...
So I was responding to your quote, "... if you were a good player." Which you directed at DH. I'm not sure what else you'd like me to elaborate on.

True.

I meant "if you are", not "if you were", as like your friend said, my english is childish.

Sorry.

I must not have caught that post, I really only skimmed the first and last pages of this thread. Sometimes when I'm online I forget that English isn't everyone's first language. To be fair your I'm sure your English is much better than my knowledge of your native language.

[MetalDeggial]

This thread... bad things are going to happen.

I can't believe some people actually hate on the Acolyte. It's a great weapon and it does not deserve any more "balancing".

[Charaxan]

Zack and Miranda Make a wrote...

I must not have caught that post, I really only skimmed the first and last pages of this thread. Sometimes when I'm online I forget that English isn't everyone's first language. To be fair your I'm sure your English is much better than my knowledge of your native language.

No problem. 

I will summarize simply :

1 : acolyte is not reliable as a stand-alone weapon. Before nerfing, you could (and still can) solo only with reegar carbine and nothing else. Can't with acolyte.
2 : acolyte is better than other pistols if you have the habit to fire a pistol without aiming. If you like to aim for the head, any other pistol is better.
3 : acolyte is really good when used with powers in a clever way. 

Those are my observations. I don't say nothing more, nothing less.



In my country, it is time to go to sleep, so I let you all fellows working on that.

Take care, from the stupid me ^^

[DHKany]

Alright Charaxan, peace.
I take back the nasty things i said and lets just go our separate ways. Balancing is up to bioware anyways.
@Zack, what was your PSN id?

[Zack and Miranda Make a]

DHKany wrote...

Alright Charaxan, peace.
I take back the nasty things i said and lets just go our separate ways. Balancing is up to bioware anyways.
@Zack, what was your PSN id?

jesse_valentine

[Drummernate]

Best Phantom killer ever if you want to take a gun like a Saber as a primary.

Since... ya know the Saber literally can't kill Phantoms unless they are in cover.

Modifié par Drummernate, 13 novembre 2012 - 04:02 .

[tfoltz]

How about they nerf the invincible phantom so that people can effectively use other weapons against her.

[aaronisbla]

somehow i knew that this topic would pop up once people started suggesting the shield/barrier evo on flamer isn't optimal if you have an acolyte in the OP's flamer build, which really isn't nearly as creative of a build as some other things ive seen from him and others. The build and video for it wasn't even really needed, as even the OP said himself its pretty straight foward

[darkpassenger2342]

since the gun goes inthe same slot as the paladin, carnifex, scorpion and talon, theres nothing wrong with the acolyte. you gotta pick one.

[Topographer]

I find the Acolyte interesting, filling a niche roll and making a lot of classes better for people who like it. I don't use it often myself but it's funny how some people on here seem to think they are closer to God for not using it.

Modifié par Topographer, 13 novembre 2012 - 06:24 .

[steve_french]

if they nerf the acolyte then im going back to borderlands 2 permantly.. the acolyte makes the adepts a flexible class now IMO.. i have by far the most fun with the adept class.. tossing random enemies around the map, nailing biotic explosions, and all in all just manipulating the flow of the match.. i have to agree with everything word Charaxan said.. he hit the nail on the head.. there is no need for any chages to the acolyte what so ever..

[himegoto]

I know this is going to turn out well.

Lets nerf the gun already like the OP want so we can all revert back to not using biotic classes, back to the days where GIs and Destroyers run in every match.