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[Ronnie Blastoff]

Miniditka77 wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Just to make sure he and anyone else who says something so rediculous
can see it more clearly. If your biotics are your primary, what your
saying is your powers are your main source of damage. Hmm, in a game
that utilizes both weapons and abilities, with weapons being the main
source, your basically telling me you "think" your going to tag along as
half a player.

To me, thats no better than leeching, which is also why, I kick people thinking this weapon is doing anything besides stripping shields, as a SECONDARY weapon.

Biotic powers can be devastating without pesky shields to get in the way.

Also, have you tried the Acolyte as a primary weapon with Incendiary or Cryo ammo, along with a quick detonator power like Throw or Concussive Shot?  You can literally set off a fire or cryo explosion every 2 seconds.  It works pretty well.

EDIT:  Although to be fair, I have never taken the Acolyte as my only weapon.  Now that SMG-ULM works, there is no excuse for not having a Hurricane on you at all times.

Ima just keep doing this until people learn how much trash this gun is. As I said above, your powers are what makes this "gun" seem awesome, not the other way around. You just described a class and ammos effect on an enemy. Not the acoyltes. A Harrier X works pretty well, A Scorpion X works pretty well. (much better at everything besides stripping shields that this gun does, and its near 100% ammo activation on contact on ALL targets.) This gun strips shields better than anything else in the game. Oh wait there are phasic rounds now... so acolyte just really is a P.o.s that fills a p.o.s. slot very nicely...

[stysiaq]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

You keep forgetting about the rarity of the guns you take.

Acolyte X is more likely than Scorpion/Talon.

anyway, I finished my second HS with Acolyte as the only gun and with (((((*CS spam*.)))))

With Incinedary IV there are lots of fire explosions. Unfortunately I must say it isn't that great vs the Collectors which were the unknown enemy this time.

I'd say that with Incinedary IV and constant FEs, the damage vs armor is quite decent to say the least. Far from pathetic. Of course it doesn't apply for the Praetorians and their cheat bubble. But single Scions went down pretty nicely, even if Acolyte is no Reave + Cluster nor it can rip their hunches wide open.

I must try the build vs the Geth, they're most likely to be wrecked by this combo.

Abilities don't = gun is awesome. I posted this same case above. Just needed to point things out again to the readers in the abyss over how much crap this gun is. Rarity is only important to people who don't have success in this game, and I can understand if someone was to think this P.O.S. is worth equiping over a Scorpion 1.

but it's the gun that allows this. I just want to show that this gun can turn anyone into FE machine like no other. I wouldn't likely set off so many FEs with another gun.

CS is skipped by many, isn't it? Well, with Acolyte, a gun which requires no aim to stagger/apply ammo powers, it is very useful and can give you quite a lot of points with little effort, just as for all the happy vanguards.

anyway, I caught a nice FE.

[FreaperFTW]

It's the ONLY pistol I use now. I haven't touched the Carnifex in ages, and most other pistols are just gathering dust in my armory.

They plead for variety, but jeez, allow us to pick different, working weapons...

[Outrider42]

The answer is simple, there needs to be more guns that are effective against shields. There just are not many options for biotic characters to take down shields, especially characters that have pull. And as BE's are weaker against shields already, you really want an option to deal with shielded enemies. The acolyte has always been the best option for that. It is a little easier to use now, but if there were other LIGHT weapons that players could use to strip shields, then there would fewer people using it.

Nerfing the acolyte is a horrible idea, because adapts are already falling out of favor with the changes to tech explosions and enemy buffs. Nerfing the acolyte would mean even fewer players would play adepts. Biotic explosion squads are becoming a real rarity these days, so you have to consider the ramifications of changes like this.

There seriously needs to be a shield stripping smg. My thoughts are there should be a variety of weapons in every class, giving us more options, instead of just weighing everything strictly by dps. Why aren't there more guns that specialize in things like this? It would make the game a bit more...RPGish in my mind.

[iOnlySignIn]

I say it's the new Claymore.

The Acolyte is better than the Scorpion like the Claymore is better than the Wraith.

Except the Acolyte doesn't require skill to use, unlike the Claymore.

[xBUMMx]

He keeps saying that powers are what make the gun bad, then he says that powers users only "think" they're doing good with it. He is making no sense.

Yes the gun doesn't compare to our powers as a whole, but the gun is meant to compliment caster kits with no power to fight shields. We know it doesn't do jack **** to anything else, but our biotics CAN

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

I used this gun heavily when it still had the charge up. Was awesome on a vanguard and just became that much more awesome when the charge got removed. I still use it about just as often as I did when it had the charge.

[Ashen One]

holdenagincourt wrote...

Which is why I said "as long as your heavy pistol slot is not otherwise occupied." Obviously I understand that people might want to sometimes use other pistols, which is why I pointedly added that qualification.

Misread your post...

holdenagincourt wrote...

When I refer to downside, I'm speaking holistically. It's a given that the Acolyte is not ideal against every defense, every enemy, in every circumstance and at every point in linear time, but its weaknesses can be compensated for by another weapon and character kits more easily than if one were to slap a Reegar on a random character and then think about what other weapon he should bring and how to build the character's powers.

So basically, a situationally useful niche weapon is working well within it's niche. Is that a bad thing, that there is a sidearm that is sometimes actually worth using over a ULM Hurricane, Talon or Scorpion?

[UKStory135]

stysiaq wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

You keep forgetting about the rarity of the guns you take.

Acolyte X is more likely than Scorpion/Talon.

anyway, I finished my second HS with Acolyte as the only gun and with (((((*CS spam*.)))))

With Incinedary IV there are lots of fire explosions. Unfortunately I must say it isn't that great vs the Collectors which were the unknown enemy this time.

I'd say that with Incinedary IV and constant FEs, the damage vs armor is quite decent to say the least. Far from pathetic. Of course it doesn't apply for the Praetorians and their cheat bubble. But single Scions went down pretty nicely, even if Acolyte is no Reave + Cluster nor it can rip their hunches wide open.

I must try the build vs the Geth, they're most likely to be wrecked by this combo.

Abilities don't = gun is awesome. I posted this same case above. Just needed to point things out again to the readers in the abyss over how much crap this gun is. Rarity is only important to people who don't have success in this game, and I can understand if someone was to think this P.O.S. is worth equiping over a Scorpion 1.

but it's the gun that allows this. I just want to show that this gun can turn anyone into FE machine like no other. I wouldn't likely set off so many FEs with another gun.

CS is skipped by many, isn't it? Well, with Acolyte, a gun which requires no aim to stagger/apply ammo powers, it is very useful and can give you quite a lot of points with little effort, just as for all the happy vanguards.

anyway, I caught a nice FE.

I agree that calling the Acolyte a POS is hyperbolic, but the Scorpion with it's 100% stagger and ammo pop rate can do the job as good or better than the Acolyte.

[ryoldschool]

xBUMMx wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

xBUMMx wrote...

True, but the problem is that there's basically no penalty for doing so. Hence, make the caster pay for having such easy shield stripping. 

I think xBUMMx missed your point entirely.  You both used the words "no penalty".  You are saying that there should be a penalty.

No, I see the point( and at the moment it is completely valid) but the original point of the gun itself was to help biotics with shields at no penalty for there powers, just fire rate, timing and overall difficulty to fire. They overpowered the gun when they took charge off. It didn't stop the glitches at all (they just changed guns) and now people are complaining about it. It needs it's charge back, to balance the gun again.

This is an actual post, the iPad makes this extremely difficult with quote pyramids
I kind of hate how those god damned missile glitchers are ruining this game because they're too ****ing lazy/bad play the right way. I wish I saw more, just so I could report them, the selfish bastards.

No argument from me about those GD missile glitchers.  Dirt Bags, Scum Bags, .... rockheads, yeah I don't like those suckers.   I hate that bioware modified the weapons in this game in an attempt to try to stop the glitchers.   I don't blame bioware for trying, but we probably would not be having this thread had it not been for dropping the charge mechanic.

- Edit: yes your iphone sure messed up this formatting, lol

Modifié par ryoldschool, 12 novembre 2012 - 09:43 .

[MetalDeggial]

The Acolyte is fantastic. It's hands down the best pistol in the game and the best sidearm as well. It's light as a feather, strips down shields like nothing, and you can practically use it on its own as a main weapon with the heavy barrel, as it does boatloads of damage.

It's an awesome gun and it should remain untouched. I'd like them to give the Disciple a similar trait, taking down shields/barriers just as fast. Or maybe a bonus vs armor? Or more force to stagger more reliably on Gold and above?


Also: lol@shield damage evo on Flamer. It already strips downs the shields of the minions fast enough, even with the innate penalty vs them. But the armor damage... That delicious 50% extra damage to armor means everything with it will be reduced to dust within seconds. Reegar/Acolyte shot, then flame on!

[Ashen One]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I say it's the new Claymore.

The Acolyte is better than the Scorpion like the Claymore is better than the Wraith.

Except the Acolyte doesn't require skill to use, unlike the Claymore.

The Acolyte is not better than the Scorpion, they are both niche weapons that have different roles. The Acolyte is not going to CC enemies or lock down a spawn like the Scorpion can, and the Scorpion is not going to strip a Phantom's barrier in one shot like the Acolyte can.

The Claymore is not better than the Wraith, it weighs over 2x as much and is therefore impractical to use on something like an Asari Adept as opposed to a Wraith.

The Claymore also doesn't require a whole lot of "skill" to use, contrary to popular belief. All it requires is knowledge of how to reload cancel. The single shot clip is "balanced" by a slow RoF, but reload cancelling completely undermines that.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 12 novembre 2012 - 09:45 .

[capn233]

UKStory135 wrote...

I agree that calling the Acolyte a POS is hyperbolic, but the Scorpion with it's 100% stagger and ammo pop rate can do the job as good or better than the Acolyte.

It doesn't really do the same job, unless you just mean staggering or killing mobs and maybe Phantoms specifically.  Scorpion is not particularly good at stripping shields, which is the main job of the Acolyte.

[xBUMMx]

Yes, we should all appreciate that they are trying to stop the missile glitchers, I just think they're doing it wrong.

And I'm sure only a small fraction of glitchers are actually reported. People need to get on it and get rid of these walking blights on our wonderful game. Is there a thread where we can post GTs or account names for any glitchers we see? I mean, reporting on Xbox just sends it to microsoft, and that won't accomplish much. A thread on here would be super simple and would put it right in front of the devs

Modifié par xBUMMx, 12 novembre 2012 - 09:47 .

[Ronnie Blastoff]

stysiaq wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

You keep forgetting about the rarity of the guns you take.

Acolyte X is more likely than Scorpion/Talon.

anyway, I finished my second HS with Acolyte as the only gun and with (((((*CS spam*.)))))

With Incinedary IV there are lots of fire explosions. Unfortunately I must say it isn't that great vs the Collectors which were the unknown enemy this time.

I'd say that with Incinedary IV and constant FEs, the damage vs armor is quite decent to say the least. Far from pathetic. Of course it doesn't apply for the Praetorians and their cheat bubble. But single Scions went down pretty nicely, even if Acolyte is no Reave + Cluster nor it can rip their hunches wide open.

I must try the build vs the Geth, they're most likely to be wrecked by this combo.

Abilities don't = gun is awesome. I posted this same case above. Just needed to point things out again to the readers in the abyss over how much crap this gun is. Rarity is only important to people who don't have success in this game, and I can understand if someone was to think this P.O.S. is worth equiping over a Scorpion 1.

but it's the gun that allows this. I just want to show that this gun can turn anyone into FE machine like no other. I wouldn't likely set off so many FEs with another gun.

CS is skipped by many, isn't it? Well, with Acolyte, a gun which requires no aim to stagger/apply ammo powers, it is very useful and can give you quite a lot of points with little effort, just as for all the happy vanguards.

anyway, I caught a nice FE.

... you do realize, what your describing once again is the use of powers. The acolyte is stipping sheilds so you can FE. But your not FEing "because" of this gun.
 
Also, reegar does this, scorpion does this, (even better), predator does this, actually any other gun in the game that you actually shoot an enemy with does this. Most of them better, and in the same slot, for the same wieght on classes that need it.

The only thing this gun does that is phenominal.. is strip shields.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

xBUMMx wrote...

He keeps saying that powers are what make the gun bad?, then he says that powers users only "think" they're doing good with it. ?He is making no sense. (Id like you to quote that instead of rewriting it, I never posted that)

Yes the gun doesn't compare to our powers as a whole, but the gun is meant to compliment caster kits with no power to fight shields. We know it doesn't do jack **** to anything else, but our biotics CAN

reread my post and analize them, wtf are you talking about?

[ryoldschool]

xBUMMx wrote...

Yes, we should all appreciate that they are trying to stop the missile glitchers, I just think they're doing it wrong.

And I'm sure only a small fraction of glitchers are actually reported. People need to get on it and get rid of these walking blights on our wonderful game. Is there a thread where we can post GTs or account names for any glitchers we see? I mean, reporting on Xbox just sends it to microsoft, and that won't accomplish much. A thread on here would be super simple and would put it right in front of the devs

I can't find the stickied thread, but this is what you do:

There's a stickied thread. 


You can e-mail me3mpcheaters@bioware.com using the following format:

Your Origin ID: (Your Origin ID goes here)
Suspected cheater’s Origin ID/GT/PSN: (Suspected cheater’s Origin ID/GT/PSN goes here)
Date and time: (Date and time)
Accusation: (What you saw/heard them do)
Additional Information: (Any relevant information such as screenshots, videos)

Of the guys that I have reported, I got an email back from the bioware team saying that they are looking into it, yatta.

[Ashen One]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

The only thing this gun does that is phenominal.. is strip shields.

It also stuns enemies reliably, and almost always applies ammo effects.

But it's really not as great as people in this thread are making it seem.

[xBUMMx]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

xBUMMx wrote...

He keeps saying that powers are what make the gun bad?, then he says that powers users only "think" they're doing good with it. ?He is making no sense. (Id like you to quote that instead of rewriting it, I never posted that)

Yes the gun doesn't compare to our powers as a whole, but the gun is meant to compliment caster kits with no power to fight shields. We know it doesn't do jack **** to anything else, but our biotics CAN

reread my post and analize them, wtf are you talking about?

With all the arguments being thrown around this place, I wouldn't be surprised if I misread your post. Sorry bout that. But I do know that your main point is that it does nothing but strip shields. We know, but that's all we need it to do. A lot of people enjoy using power reliant classes, but shields get in the way of that for biotics. Adepts can do A LOT of damage with their powers alone, but they would need to wither down their shields or wait for a teammate to do it. The acolyte negates that and lets adepts not be overly reliant on teammates when it came to things like atlases and primes. I understand if you don't personally like the gun or how it's used, but a lot of people do. It does exactly what any biotic caster would want from a gun, it strips shields and lets us keep +200% recharge speeds.

Modifié par xBUMMx, 12 novembre 2012 - 09:56 .

[whateverman7]

when did the acolyte (or reegar for that matter) become so popular?....i barely see them....

as for the gun itself: it's a damn good gun, but there is no reason to only take it or only use it over other weapons....no gun in this game is that good....

for the people saying it's great on biotics: true it is, but so are the majority of pistols and smgs... my drell adept uses a talon, aa uses the eagle, fury uses the hurricane, ha uses the paladin, etc...i can keep going....the only bitoic character i have it equipped on now is the justicar...and it's a secondary piece to an AR

Modifié par whateverman7, 12 novembre 2012 - 10:14 .

[megabeast37215]

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

im a fan of the Graal myself, but your trying to compare a weapon that is built for weapons class builds with a caster weapon. barring the fact that thats like comparing apples to aranges, there`s two words for you CORNER SHOT. Theres what? Two weapons that can shoot around corners? (alcolyte and falcon)? Can the Grall do that? No. Can the grall leave you with high cooldown rate? No. Can the Grall stagger/stun pretty much anything? No.  Is the graal dependent on lag/latency? Yes. The only way in which the Grall is easily suprieor to the acyolyte is in armor damage. And yeah, like said, I`m actually a fan of the Graal myself, BUT I admit that the alcolyte is vastly superior for caster builds, and for anyone who has a saber/harrier/piranhha/armor damaging weapon as well. Long story short, NO.

Your assertion that the Graal is only for weapons users is silly. It can be equipped by anyone. Why couldn't I equip a Graal on my Drell Adept, whom I normally equip a Harrier on? Fury? Human Sentinel? Any Engineer?  The Graal would stomp on any caster.... and some Vanguards like the Asariguard, Drellguard, Kroguard. The concept that every person that casts tech powers/biotics can only use weapons that grant 170%+ cooldown is ridiculous. Good Weapons & Powers at the same time... that's something I believe in.

Can it corner shot... no. Can the Acolyte Headshot? No.

Can the Graal leave me with a high cooldown rate... this is a matter of preference. I'd rather have a gun that is brutally damaging to everything than a one-trick-pony.

Can the Graal stagger pretty much everything... actually yes it can.

Is the Graal dependant on lag/latency, yes... but the Acolyte is also to a lesser degree. I can use the Graal offhost... I can also use the Kishock offhost.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

Ashen Earth wrote...

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

The only thing this gun does that is phenominal.. is strip shields.

It also stuns enemies reliably, and almost always applies ammo effects.

But it's really not as great as people in this thread are making it seem.

And you know as well as I do that in almost any situation besides needing to strip an atlus/bansee/prime/phantom "quickly" of their shields that you wouldn't use this gun.

Scorpion alone can hold off the "gang" of 4 phantoms/dragoons that flock together simply with 1~3 shots. Id had to spam AoE powers or grenades to get the same effect that the scorpion produces alone, with the acolyte.

In all actualitly, this gun comes off as a superlightweight Falcon that happend to be blessed with a shield/barrier niche.

[capn233]

whateverman7 wrote...

when did the acolyte (or reegar for that matter) become so popular?....i barely see them....

The whole premise that the Acolyte is being used by scores of "PUGs" is not true.  Although it does seem to find its way into use by a whole bunch of BSN frequenters.

Reegar is still around fairly commonly, especially on Vanguards.

Modifié par capn233, 12 novembre 2012 - 10:02 .

[xBUMMx]

Thank you ryoldschool, that's really helpful.

And @whateverman7 I love using my biotics for almost everything, but using an acolyte to strip shields helps me kill things faster while still ripping things apart at the molecular level and not have to wonder whether my BEs are doing all the damage, or if it's just because I held down the right trigger on my hurricane. But this is all preference, and if I need to be more serious I'll use both guns because.... Well, ULM is a hell of a mod.

[capn233]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

In all actualitly, this gun comes off as a superlightweight Falcon that happend to be blessed with a shield/barrier niche.

That is probably the best characterization of the Acolyte.  Except that it also happens to kill Phantoms more rapidly than the Falcon.