Modifié par robarcool, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:57 .
robarcool wrote...
What I find really amusing is that OP wants Praetorians to be looked at for making them a fair target for all types of users. He meant to improve the odds of power users.
What many people interpreted is to give the enemies a bullet resistant bubble to make the weapons ineffective too. Typical BSN. If they actually get a bubble like that and pull it up, then good luck having a staring contest with the phantom/praetorian/banshee since you can't damage them anyhow after that happens.
Lord_Sirian wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
Praetorians will only activate their barrier while they're flying, Banshees will only use their power/DoT immunity against projectile powers in their second attack pattern, (the one where they are unable to melee/sync kill) and the Phantom's barrier can be exploited by any projectile power and a half decent weapon.
You could fight waves upon waves of Banshees Praetorians and Phantoms without triggering their anti-power abilities once if you actually pay attention to what it is exactly that triggers them.
Careful now Ashen... Air Quotes is an extremely good player, he obviously knows this.
But I would've thought someone who PUGs a lot would understand the frustration when someone throws a power at a Praetorian BEFORE knocking it out of the sky.
Wrong.stefbomb wrote...
robarcool wrote...
What I find really amusing is that OP wants Praetorians to be looked at for making them a fair target for all types of users. He meant to improve the odds of power users.
What many people interpreted is to give the enemies a bullet resistant bubble to make the weapons ineffective too. Typical BSN. If they actually get a bubble like that and pull it up, then good luck having a staring contest with the phantom/praetorian/banshee since you can't damage them anyhow after that happens.
OP wants the bubble to be changed so instead of totally blocking powers and having no effect on weapons it would instead have a moderate effect on both weapon and power damage.
Air Quotes wrote...
The point is that the complete invulnerability from powers come with no drawback for Banshee/Praetorian.
When they use the power block they should either:
1. Take EXTRA weapon damage
2. Move a lot slower
3. Be unable to attack
4. Unable to regen barriers
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Miniditka77 wrote...
Banshees can't teleport or insta-kill when they have the barrier up, correct? Or at least I've never seen them do it. I don't see the Banshee or Phantom barriers as a really big problem as long as you have some good weapon users on your team, and honestly, I'm not that good of a player.
The Praetorian barrier is ridiculous though. Honestly, the easiest way to fix the Collectors and make them even with other classes would be to do something about the Praetorian barrier. Either nix it entirely or give them a bigger penalty for using it. They would be the hardest enemy in the game even without it.
Modifié par Air Quotes, 12 novembre 2012 - 09:06 .
Feneckus wrote...
I don't mind their bubbles. What bothers me is that 90% of the playerbase has no idea how to deal with them and will trigger the bubbles by doing something stupid. Cryo Blast on a phantom ? Wow, awesome, thanks a lot ...
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Ashen Earth wrote...
Lord_Sirian wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
Praetorians will only activate their barrier while they're flying, Banshees will only use their power/DoT immunity against projectile powers in their second attack pattern, (the one where they are unable to melee/sync kill) and the Phantom's barrier can be exploited by any projectile power and a half decent weapon.
You could fight waves upon waves of Banshees Praetorians and Phantoms without triggering their anti-power abilities once if you actually pay attention to what it is exactly that triggers them.
Careful now Ashen... Air Quotes is an extremely good player, he obviously knows this.
But I would've thought someone who PUGs a lot would understand the frustration when someone throws a power at a Praetorian BEFORE knocking it out of the sky.
I don't blame the enemies, I blame my teammates for being ignorant.
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BACON4BREAKFIST wrote...
It's annoying, but you have to have some knowledge on how they work.
Banshees activate bubble when most powers are used on them when they stop teleporting. (exceptions are reave/tac scan/ there are some more cant think right now)
Phantoms activate bubble when you use a travel time power from a distance (grenades, warp, etc.)Also this bubble increases their hit box. If you shoot the bubble anywhere it will hit them so this can be an advantage.
Praetorians activate bubble while they are flying and you use any power on them.
Air Quotes wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
Lord_Sirian wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
Praetorians will only activate their barrier while they're flying, Banshees will only use their power/DoT immunity against projectile powers in their second attack pattern, (the one where they are unable to melee/sync kill) and the Phantom's barrier can be exploited by any projectile power and a half decent weapon.
You could fight waves upon waves of Banshees Praetorians and Phantoms without triggering their anti-power abilities once if you actually pay attention to what it is exactly that triggers them.
Careful now Ashen... Air Quotes is an extremely good player, he obviously knows this.
But I would've thought someone who PUGs a lot would understand the frustration when someone throws a power at a Praetorian BEFORE knocking it out of the sky.
I don't blame the enemies, I blame my teammates for being ignorant.
Yeah, but you can't go on a mic EVERY freaking PUG match and explain to everyone how the barriers work.
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Ashen Earth wrote...
Air Quotes wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
Lord_Sirian wrote...
Ashen Earth wrote...
Praetorians will only activate their barrier while they're flying, Banshees will only use their power/DoT immunity against projectile powers in their second attack pattern, (the one where they are unable to melee/sync kill) and the Phantom's barrier can be exploited by any projectile power and a half decent weapon.
You could fight waves upon waves of Banshees Praetorians and Phantoms without triggering their anti-power abilities once if you actually pay attention to what it is exactly that triggers them.
Careful now Ashen... Air Quotes is an extremely good player, he obviously knows this.
But I would've thought someone who PUGs a lot would understand the frustration when someone throws a power at a Praetorian BEFORE knocking it out of the sky.
I don't blame the enemies, I blame my teammates for being ignorant.
Yeah, but you can't go on a mic EVERY freaking PUG match and explain to everyone how the barriers work.
I wouldn't bother explaining anyway, because when I PUG I go into the game fully expecting my team to be worthless and not understand how to deal with the enemies on the difficulty they chose to play.
And I'm never disappointed.
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Jack Crapper wrote...
Does anyone else find it annoying that Praetorians can put up their barriers against instant effect powers, such as Overload or Dark Channel? This, I find cheap.
I also think it's ridiculous how much DR Phantoms get with their barrier & just moving around. I can kind of get the bubble, maybe flipping, but just walking and getting massive DR makes no sense to me.
The other things, I don't really mind, maybe because I don't PUG nearly as much as I used to. Even then, I would blame teammates more than anything else.
Modifié par Air Quotes, 12 novembre 2012 - 09:34 .
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His Guardness wrote...
I don't know if the following is intended or if it's just my impression due to bad timing but...
It seems that the Praetorian bubble has another ability that no one has mentioned here.
Try the following:
Use a biotic class. Prime the Praetorian with warp or Reave (long duration if possible).
Now let it fly, bubble it and put it back to the ground.
If I'm not entirely mistaken you will notice that the Praetorian is not primed/doted anymore.
That may either mean that the bubble is long enough active to even cancel out a Justicar Reave or that the bubble actually "heals" those debuffs (prime & dots).
Air Quotes wrote...
Well it's fine if you're playing a gun class. Bubble? - I don't care I just keep shooting. But if you're playing a biotic - you're screwed. More than half of your DPS againt bosses is gone.
Modifié par Ashen Earth, 12 novembre 2012 - 09:49 .
Air Quotes wrote...
Also for example - you are playing AA or Human Sentinel. What can you do? Both of your powers are travel ones. LOL, you have BE's to deal with armor, too fkn bad you can't use them because a Banshee or Praetorian ROFLOL block them. Only guns matter. But you can't bring heavy weapons to deal with armor, because your CD will suffer. And there aren't many good light weapons agains armor.
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Ashen Earth wrote...
Air Quotes wrote...
Well it's fine if you're playing a gun class. Bubble? - I don't care I just keep shooting. But if you're playing a biotic - you're screwed. More than half of your DPS againt bosses is gone.
Wraith, Talon, Hurricane or Indra with Warp Ammo IV are still pretty damn effective.
Air Quotes wrote...
All bubbles stop the DOT effects completely. So the only good way in to abuse the Incendiary ammo glitch. Warp a boss, then just shoot it with Incendiary ammo and don't try to BE it. Fun right? Biotic class with no BE's
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