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[Obrusnine]

Okay, I've been seeing this pop up wayyyyyy too frequently where people still actually believe Shepard is alive in the destroy ending. So I really want to ruin your day, he did not survive. The person taking a breath cannot have been him, period.

The first piece of evidence is the obvious one. The Destroy ending obliterates all technology, this is immediatley established about it. It doesn't just kill the Reapers, it kills all tech, everywhere in the galaxy. Shepard has cybernetic implants, and it has been repeatedly established throughout the series that he cannot live without them. In the beginning of the game, Chakwas checks to make sure your cybernetic implants were okay because she was worried. The blast would've fried Shepard's implants and instantaneously killed him.

The second piece is a little less obvious, but one of the developers stated that the person taking a breath in the scene is surrounded by Rebar. London has tons of Rebar. Even if you could convince me that Shepard could survive the citadel exploding into pieces, or that Shepard could survive re-entry (which he could not), the chances are even more astronomical that he would land right back in London where he started. Earth is a pretty big planet, you dig? Hell, chances are astronomically low that he would land on land. 70 percent of the Earth is covered in water. Besides, Shepard would die on impact because he is travelling at terminal velocity.

Now I know your going to argue now that Shepard's armor could've protected him. I ask you how? Shepard's armor was torn to bits by Harbinger's beam. He had no kinetic barriers to stop him from being killed by the citadel explosion, re-entry, and hitting the ground.

The third one is just a question of resilience. I urge you not to put Shepard on too high a pedestal here. Sure, Shepard's a bad-ass, but he's still a HUMAN BEING. It's already amazing that he survived the intense heat from Harbinger's beam, getting shot in the shoulder, and losing a ton of blood. There is no way you an convince me that he also survived everything above.

So just get it into your thick skulls. Just because some dude wearing N7 armor took a breath in the end, just because the people didn't put his name on the wall (How would they even know not to? They are on a jungle planet light-years away from Earth.), just because Shepard's a bad-ass... that does not mean he survived.

Shepard dies in the Destroy ending, end of story.

Modifié par Obrusnine, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:15 .

[Kel Riever]

Your Shepard didn't live? My Shepard lays a wreath on your Shepard and then goes hangs out with your love interest.

[CDR David Shepard]

Why can't people have their own opinions on something that is open to interpretation?

Why does your opinion have to be the "only" opinion?

[Obrusnine]

The problem is that it isn't an opinion, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.

[DeinonSlayer]

If all cybernetics are destroyed, every Quarian in the galaxy would drop dead. Biotics would have a VERY bad day. But it doesn't happen. Seems to me Destroy only targets Reaper tech (relays, EDI, augmented Geth). FTL drives still work. "Tech" isn't destroyed, just a few key things which will eventually be repaired or replaced.

Also, what makes you think he's on Earth at all? The Presidium Tower is where the Crucible was coupled, and it looks completely undamaged in the aftermath.

Sorry - not all of our interpretations are as cynical as yours.

[hiraeth]

I agree that everything that happened to him should have killed him. However, I find it hard to believe that the soldier (who changes male vs. female depending on what sex your Shepard is) is a random N7 soldier. Why add that scene at all?

And thus, IT was born!

[TheScott1987]

Then what did they mean? With its placement in the end it can only be some major plot twist, and the only thing that would fit is Shepard's fate. The end is speculation bait. This scene is IT bait more than anything, especially given all you've said.

[dead_goon]

Let people believe what they want to believe, seriously, would the world stop turning if you let folk play how they want to, & head canon what they want to?.

Modifié par dead_goon, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:17 .

[DeathScepter]

This is why Indoctrination theory will never die Due to that scene and other details

[UrgentArchengel]

Whatever floats your boat. Besides, Shepard isn't even completely organic. He does have tons of synthetic parts.

[GimmeDaGun]

You ruined my day... ((( My Shep can't live his life with his mighty LI!!!!! *running away, crying*...

ppfffff... :D:D:D

I mean come on! You are a bit too obsessed, let people interpret that scene the way they want it to. It's not a mistery to be solved or a riddle but a simple hint which shows you that Shepard might be alive after all.

Even if he died, to me it would be completely ok, because the mission is done and the cultures of the galaxy (humanity included) are saved, Shep. died a hero and has become a legend.

But cool story, man.



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[thearbiter1337]

Shepard did live,why?

Luck

also with a small dash of space magic too.

[Obrusnine]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

If all cybernetics are destroyed, every Quarian in the galaxy would drop dead. Biotics would have a VERY bad day. But it doesn't happen. Seems to me Destroy only targets Reaper tech (relays, EDI, augmented Geth). FTL drives still work. "Tech" isn't destroyed, just a few key things which will eventually be repaired or replaced.

Also, what makes you think he's on Earth at all? The Presidium Tower is where the Crucible was coupled, and it looks completely undamaged in the aftermath.

Sorry - not all of our interpretations are as cynical as yours.

Not necessarily, most of the Quarians were on the flotilla with their ships during the battle for Earth. Their ships are sterile environments, they can survive without their suits there. Everyone off the ships is another story. They wouldn't have immediatley dropped dead like Shepard, but they would've almost immediatley started to succumb to infection. Although, honestly, the ships themselves are another plot hole. If the destroy ending wipes out all technology, then everyone on the ships would've immediatley suffocated to death because their environmental systems would've been fried.

The Presidium tower isn't made out of Rebar. So that soldier has to be on Earth.

[Dr_Extrem]

no .. we are all wrong .. they only showed us the breathe scene, to p**s on our heads from the pool edge.

the guy is right ... shepard has to be dead - because there a thousands of n7 soldiers out there in london and on the citadel. and they all have the same sex, as your shepard and have the same voice actor. sneaky devs.


(this post could contain sarcasm, irony and/or cynism)

[Obrusnine]

DeathScepter wrote...

This is why Indoctrination theory will never die Due to that scene and other details

I find that funny because it's so true yet I don't even buy into the Indoctrination Theory,

I do admit it's quite plausible though.

[Mims]

If Synthesis gets a free pass on science, I think Shepard can get a free pass on it too.

[Thrazesul]

...Thick skulls?

if it ISN'T Shepard in that scene, it's just a very unnecesary scene of a random soldier at the end of a game. Then Bioware made it like that to make us wonder. And I wonder and assume it's Shepard.

My Shep lived.

[CDR David Shepard]

Obrusnine wrote...

The problem is that it isn't an opinion, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.

If you believe Shepard to be dead...then why does it matter that others may believe Shepard to be alive?

[DeinonSlayer]

Obrusnine wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

If all cybernetics are destroyed, every Quarian in the galaxy would drop dead. Biotics would have a VERY bad day. But it doesn't happen. Seems to me Destroy only targets Reaper tech (relays, EDI, augmented Geth). FTL drives still work. "Tech" isn't destroyed, just a few key things which will eventually be repaired or replaced.

Also, what makes you think he's on Earth at all? The Presidium Tower is where the Crucible was coupled, and it looks completely undamaged in the aftermath.

Sorry - not all of our interpretations are as cynical as yours.

Not necessarily, most of the Quarians were on the flotilla with their ships during the battle for Earth. Their ships are sterile environments, they can survive without their suits there. Everyone off the ships is another story. They wouldn't have immediatley dropped dead like Shepard, but they would've almost immediatley started to succumb to infection. Although, honestly, the ships themselves are another plot hole. If the destroy ending wipes out all technology, then everyone on the ships would've immediatley suffocated to death because their environmental systems would've been fried.

The Presidium tower isn't made out of Rebar. So that soldier has to be on Earth.

"Another plot hole"... or you're simply wrong.

[Doommarine23]

Shepard is dead? Really?

How about
End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem
End03_Shepard_Alive_Male

Those are the breathing scenes. Pretty obvious what they intended.

[sweet-d]

Doesn't matter if that was Shepard taking a breath I think it was Shepard but how long could Shep hold out. Shepard would be dead pretty soon he/she could last what a few days maybe a week in the condition his/her body was in. Shepard is dead no one is looking for Shepard when their are billions wounded, the earth is barely habitable, and there are no mass relays. The races of the galaxy are too busy rebuilding galactic civilization and it will still take a very long time. So in my opinion Shepard took that breath and no one came to help him/her. Shepard died alone.

[Obrusnine]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

no .. we are all wrong .. they only showed us the breathe scene, to p**s on our heads from the pool edge.

the guy is right ... shepard has to be dead - because there a thousands of n7 soldiers out there in london and on the citadel. and they all have the same sex, as your shepard and have the same voice actor. sneaky devs.


(this post could contain sarcasm, irony and/or cynism)

Your first line is true, regardless of sarcasm employed.

Also, what do you mean same voice actor? They never show the N7 soldier's face or have him talk, only have him take a breath. Also, upon re-observation, where did the N7 medal come from? Shepard wasn't wearing one during the citadel sequence.

[MegaSovereign]

Obrusnine wrote...

The problem is that it isn't an opinion, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.

You're completely wrong. That's the problem.

1) That is Shepard taking the breath. It's been confirmed by the fact that the sound of the breath corresponds to what gender your Shepard is.

2) The narrative implication is there to suggest that Shepard survived the blast--and he did. What other reason would they put that scene in there for? 

Sorry, the ending isn't as bleak as you say it is. Oh and try not to be so condescending. Otherwise no one will take your argument seriously.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:27 .

[Obrusnine]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

If all cybernetics are destroyed, every Quarian in the galaxy would drop dead. Biotics would have a VERY bad day. But it doesn't happen. Seems to me Destroy only targets Reaper tech (relays, EDI, augmented Geth). FTL drives still work. "Tech" isn't destroyed, just a few key things which will eventually be repaired or replaced.

Also, what makes you think he's on Earth at all? The Presidium Tower is where the Crucible was coupled, and it looks completely undamaged in the aftermath.

Sorry - not all of our interpretations are as cynical as yours.

Not necessarily, most of the Quarians were on the flotilla with their ships during the battle for Earth. Their ships are sterile environments, they can survive without their suits there. Everyone off the ships is another story. They wouldn't have immediatley dropped dead like Shepard, but they would've almost immediatley started to succumb to infection. Although, honestly, the ships themselves are another plot hole. If the destroy ending wipes out all technology, then everyone on the ships would've immediatley suffocated to death because their environmental systems would've been fried.

The Presidium tower isn't made out of Rebar. So that soldier has to be on Earth.

"Another plot hole"... or you're simply wrong.

No, I'm pretty sure it's a plot hole. How could I be wrong about it being a plot hole when the ships after the destroy ending are obviously intact and functioning even though the destroy ending fries all tech?