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[Obrusnine]

Sauruz wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

In my version, Shepard chooses control and then creates a copy of himself to take over as Catalyst before reviving himself 8 years later. I'm actually writing a fanfic about it.

I'm geting more mystified by OP with each post he writes.

Do you have a problem with fanfiction? Upon choosing the control ending, Shepard's conciousness basically becomes part of a computer. You can copy data with a computer, and with the right science, construct an artificial body before using something akin to Geth technology to transfer the original conciousness over to said artificial body.

It's not that unbelievable when you think about it.

[Steelcan]

anorling wrote...

To give people false hope. Biowares original intent was always to kill Separd in every ending, but didn't have the balls to go through with it. They was afraid they were going to have a sh!tstorm on their hands if they killed Shepard in every ending. Now, they got a sh!tstorm anyway. But thats another story...
So the added a scene that could easily be interpreted the wrong way, ie Shepard lives. So they could hide behind that scene and say. "Look it's up to you to decide if Shepard lived or not (lol)"

I think you are reading WAY too far into this.  If BioWare had wanted to kill off Shepard then there would not have been a breath scene at all.

[Peranor]

Sauruz wrote...

This gotta be one of the biggest illogical cluster****s I have read since... well, that last Seival thread. You know the one.
OP says Bioware wanted to cause speculation, but that there is only one valid interpretation, even though Bioware went out of their way to allow multiple interpretations. And then he goes on to tell us about his own crazy, unlikely ending headcanon.
This just too much for me. I'm  outta here.

I heard the Normandy test crash theory is the only valid interpretation these days.

[DeinonSlayer]

Fanfic. Congratulations. You have your headcanon, we have ours. Why did you make this topic again?

[Mello]

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

[maia0407]

Obrusnine wrote...

maia0407 wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

maia0407 wrote...

Like...? 

I knew I shouldn't have posted that as I hate pointing out logical fallacies. But, just for you, here goes:

The premise of your OP is faulty as it is based on assumptions and not facts. Now, you can construct a logical argument based on warranted assumptions but those assumptions must be disclosed as such up front and not presented as fact.

So, on to the fallacies:

Ad hominem

Argument from Personal Incredulity

Argument from Ignorance

Special Pleading

Great job, you just presented all of the problems with your guys's argument, not mine. My argument is based on facts that lead to logical assumptions. If I presented everything as if it was fact, I did not mean to. The final conclusion is almost definitely a fact, because there is absolutely no way it could be wrong, unless someone discloses a heretofore unknown piece of information that tips the scales. Otherwise, the logical assumptions can be treated as fact because nothing has been stated to contrary that is of any relevance.

The bolded is another logical fallacy but I can't remember the name nor do I care to look it up. Keep on trucking though. I know you're invested in your opinion. It's just sad that you can't see where your logic is failing. 

Or maybe you just can't see where YOUR logic is failing. It works both ways you know.

Where is my logic failing? I'm not making any truth claims or drawing any definite conclusions. All I am doing is pointing out the problems with your arguments. And, honestly, the only problems I have with your posts is that your assumptions are being presented as fact and your conclusion is being presented as definate.

Modifié par maia0407, 12 novembre 2012 - 10:28 .

[Obrusnine]

Sauruz wrote...

This gotta be one of the biggest illogical cluster****s I have read since... well, that last Seival thread. You know the one.
OP says Bioware wanted to cause speculation, but that there is only one valid interpretation, even though Bioware went out of their way to allow multiple interpretations. And then he goes on to tell us about his own crazy, unlikely ending headcanon.
This just too much for me. I'm  outta here.

Around :11

[Steelcan]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Fanfic. Congratulations. You have your headcanon, we have ours. Why did you make this topic again?

  So OP can make us feel crappy about picking Destroy.

[Steelcan]

Just curious, OP. What ending did you pick?

[Obrusnine]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

I wasn't even going to bother saying that isn't proof again, but what the hell.

That isn't proof.

[Peranor]

Steelcan wrote...

anorling wrote...

To give people false hope. Biowares original intent was always to kill Separd in every ending, but didn't have the balls to go through with it. They was afraid they were going to have a sh!tstorm on their hands if they killed Shepard in every ending. Now, they got a sh!tstorm anyway. But thats another story...
So the added a scene that could easily be interpreted the wrong way, ie Shepard lives. So they could hide behind that scene and say. "Look it's up to you to decide if Shepard lived or not (lol)"

I think you are reading WAY too far into this.  If BioWare had wanted to kill off Shepard then there would not have been a breath scene at all.

As far as i'm concerned it would have been better if they just skipped that scene.

[jpraelster93]

RussianZombeh wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

OP - stop fighting.

Lines of code identify it as Shepard. That destroys all other "proof" you have.

Leave, and take your herecy with you. We don't need people like you stirring up trouble here for no reason.

Can you stop using "lines of code" as an excuse and provide a piece of relevant evidence from inside the actual game please?

The game is MADE of the lines of code, you numpty.

Also, see my other post.

Then lock thread.

pretty much this i guess the op doesnt have a thinking brain

[Argolas]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

Yes, these are the breath scenes. And for the record, more proof directly from Bioware.

You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest
is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the loveinterest and Shepard will again be together.

Link

Modifié par Argolas, 12 novembre 2012 - 10:30 .

[Makaveli The Don]

Obrusnine wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

I wasn't even going to bother saying that isn't proof again, but what the hell.

That isn't proof.

What is it then? There is a femshep and manshep one.

[M Hedonist]

Obrusnine wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

This gotta be one of the biggest illogical cluster****s I have read since... well, that last Seival thread. You know the one.
OP says Bioware wanted to cause speculation, but that there is only one valid interpretation, even though Bioware went out of their way to allow multiple interpretations. And then he goes on to tell us about his own crazy, unlikely ending headcanon.
This just too much for me. I'm  outta here.

Around :11

That's actually ironically well-fitting, considering how illogical the Reapers turned out to be.
That's it. Now I'm really out of here... probably.

[Obrusnine]

Steelcan wrote...

Just curious, OP. What ending did you pick?

Control, it's the only ending where pretty much everyone wins.

Reapers get a better purpose.

The Mass Relays are rebuilt before anyone even notices they're gone.

Reapers help build galactic future and stay established so as to maintain galactic peace.

Shepard's conciousness and memories live on.

The galaxy's races get access to highly-advanced technology through the Reapers.

No more losses on either side.

There are only two losers in this scenario. Shepard's love interest and the Catalyst.

[spirosz]

[futurepixels]

Obrusnine wrote...

futurepixels wrote...

Why has this been allowed to go on for so long?

Because I have not been hostile, I am not trolling, and I am presenting my opinions in a rather polite manner regardless of how many insults against my intelligence there are.

Last time someone created a thread like this, they did the same exact thing, except stated that Shepard lived.  Chris P. swooped in an edited the title of his thread before it hit 4 pages.  That is what I am referring to.

[Obrusnine]

Sauruz wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

This gotta be one of the biggest illogical cluster****s I have read since... well, that last Seival thread. You know the one.
OP says Bioware wanted to cause speculation, but that there is only one valid interpretation, even though Bioware went out of their way to allow multiple interpretations. And then he goes on to tell us about his own crazy, unlikely ending headcanon.
This just too much for me. I'm  outta here.

Around :11

That's actually ironically well-fitting, considering how illogical the Reapers turned out to be.
That's it. Now I'm really out of here... probably.

Well, maybe they were logical and we were just too stupid to understand in the end. We can never really know now.

[Steelcan]

anorling wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

anorling wrote...

To give people false hope. Biowares original intent was always to kill Separd in every ending, but didn't have the balls to go through with it. They was afraid they were going to have a sh!tstorm on their hands if they killed Shepard in every ending. Now, they got a sh!tstorm anyway. But thats another story...
So the added a scene that could easily be interpreted the wrong way, ie Shepard lives. So they could hide behind that scene and say. "Look it's up to you to decide if Shepard lived or not (lol)"

I think you are reading WAY too far into this.  If BioWare had wanted to kill off Shepard then there would not have been a breath scene at all.

As far as i'm concerned it would have been better if they just skipped that scene.

They didn't though.  Therefore the scen has a point to it.  Having the scene there just to show Shepard is dead would be a waste of time.

[Deitar]

About ,

3:07, leviathan DLC disagrees, quite funny to be honest.

[spirosz]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

Kid's oblivious. 

[Steelcan]

Obrusnine wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Just curious, OP. What ending did you pick?

Control, it's the only ending where pretty much everyone wins.

Reapers get a better purpose.

The Mass Relays are rebuilt before anyone even notices they're gone.

Reapers help build galactic future and stay established so as to maintain galactic peace.

Shepard's conciousness and memories live on.

The galaxy's races get access to highly-advanced technology through the Reapers.

No more losses on either side.

There are only two losers in this scenario. Shepard's love interest and the Catalyst.

  I don't see how the Catalyst loses here.  he just gets an update, he is still there, just modfied.

I would have been fine with a control ending that actually was based in the game ie. TIM's reaper control signal.

[Ravenmyste]

funny she lives in mine you must have had low ems

[Obrusnine]

Steelcan wrote...

anorling wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

anorling wrote...

To give people false hope. Biowares original intent was always to kill Separd in every ending, but didn't have the balls to go through with it. They was afraid they were going to have a sh!tstorm on their hands if they killed Shepard in every ending. Now, they got a sh!tstorm anyway. But thats another story...
So the added a scene that could easily be interpreted the wrong way, ie Shepard lives. So they could hide behind that scene and say. "Look it's up to you to decide if Shepard lived or not (lol)"

I think you are reading WAY too far into this.  If BioWare had wanted to kill off Shepard then there would not have been a breath scene at all.

As far as i'm concerned it would have been better if they just skipped that scene.

They didn't though.  Therefore the scen has a point to it.  Having the scene there just to show Shepard is dead would be a waste of time.

Just because the scene is present doesn't mean it has to have a point to it.

I mean seriously, they have Major Coats on the citadel instead of a generic soldier and that's pointless and time wasting.