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[Mello]

Obrusnine wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

I wasn't even going to bother saying that isn't proof again, but what the hell.

That isn't proof.

Nothing will change your mind wont it OP? You're one tough son of ****... are you from Texas? 

[N7 Assass1n]

This thread is a joke. OP is far too stubborn to realize the facts stated in front of him.

[The Night Mammoth]

Obrusnine wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

This gotta be one of the biggest illogical cluster****s I have read since... well, that last Seival thread. You know the one.
OP says Bioware wanted to cause speculation, but that there is only one valid interpretation, even though Bioware went out of their way to allow multiple interpretations. And then he goes on to tell us about his own crazy, unlikely ending headcanon.
This just too much for me. I'm  outta here.

Around :11

That's actually ironically well-fitting, considering how illogical the Reapers turned out to be.
That's it. Now I'm really out of here... probably.

Well, maybe they were logical and we were just too stupid to understand in the end. We can never really know now.

Then BioWare wrote something deliberately, logically flawed. 

Unless you're implying the writers of Mass Effect are actually post-human super intelligent aliens/machines. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 12 novembre 2012 - 10:36 .

[cyrslash1974]

Obrusnine wrote...

Okay, I've been seeing this pop up wayyyyyy too frequently where people still actually believe Shepard is alive in the destroy ending. So I really want to ruin your day, he did not survive. The person taking a breath cannot have been him, period.

The first piece of evidence is the obvious one. The Destroy ending obliterates all technology, this is immediatley established about it. It doesn't just kill the Reapers, it kills all tech, everywhere in the galaxy. Shepard has cybernetic implants, and it has been repeatedly established throughout the series that he cannot live without them. In the beginning of the game, Chakwas checks to make sure your cybernetic implants were okay because she was worried. The blast would've fried Shepard's implants and instantaneously killed him.

The second piece is a little less obvious, but one of the developers stated that the person taking a breath in the scene is surrounded by Rebar. London has tons of Rebar. Even if you could convince me that Shepard could survive the citadel exploding into pieces, or that Shepard could survive re-entry (which he could not), the chances are even more astronomical that he would land right back in London where he started. Earth is a pretty big planet, you dig? Hell, chances are astronomically low that he would land on land. 70 percent of the Earth is covered in water. Besides, Shepard would die on impact because he is travelling at terminal velocity.

Now I know your going to argue now that Shepard's armor could've protected him. I ask you how? Shepard's armor was torn to bits by Harbinger's beam. He had no kinetic barriers to stop him from being killed by the citadel explosion, re-entry, and hitting the ground.

The third one is just a question of resilience. I urge you not to put Shepard on too high a pedestal here. Sure, Shepard's a bad-ass, but he's still a HUMAN BEING. It's already amazing that he survived the intense heat from Harbinger's beam, getting shot in the shoulder, and losing a ton of blood. There is no way you an convince me that he also survived everything above.

So just get it into your thick skulls. Just because some dude wearing N7 armor took a breath in the end, just because the people didn't put his name on the wall (How would they even know not to? They are on a jungle planet light-years away from Earth.), just because Shepard's a bad-ass... that does not mean he survived.

Shepard dies in the Destroy ending, end of story.

Bioware themselves have already confirmed that this guy is Shepard. Secondly, you assume that Shepard dies in the Destroy ending. I assume he's alive. Each player has a point of view, each point of view is acceptable. Nothing is definitive.

[Obrusnine]

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Just curious, OP. What ending did you pick?

Control, it's the only ending where pretty much everyone wins.

Reapers get a better purpose.

The Mass Relays are rebuilt before anyone even notices they're gone.

Reapers help build galactic future and stay established so as to maintain galactic peace.

Shepard's conciousness and memories live on.

The galaxy's races get access to highly-advanced technology through the Reapers.

No more losses on either side.

There are only two losers in this scenario. Shepard's love interest and the Catalyst.

  I don't see how the Catalyst loses here.  he just gets an update, he is still there, just modfied.

I would have been fine with a control ending that actually was based in the game ie. TIM's reaper control signal.

The Catalyst doesn't get an update, he gets replaced. Well, at least that's what happened IMO. I don't have anything to proof this as we don't really get much insight into it. Although, since Shepard is shown walking at the end and not Starchild, I'll err in my own direction.

[Steelcan]

Obrusnine wrote...

Just because the scene is present doesn't mean it has to have a point to it.

I mean seriously, they have Major Coats on the citadel instead of a generic soldier and that's pointless and time wasting.

  First of all, you need a fly cam to see that it is Major Coates.  Secondly, it was probably nothing more than a convenient model to use.  The scene is there beause it has a point, its point is to show that Shepard is alive in High EMS Destroy

[spirosz]

OP reminds me of Blueprotoss, whatever the name is.

[Obrusnine]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

I wasn't even going to bother saying that isn't proof again, but what the hell.

That isn't proof.

Nothing will change your mind wont it OP? You're one tough son of ****... are you from Texas? 

No, I'm from New York. Repeatedly stating the same false information will not convince me after a million times any more then after the first time.

[spirosz]

Argolas wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

Yes, these are the breath scenes. And for the record, more proof directly from Bioware.

You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest
is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the loveinterest and Shepard will again be together.

Link

Gonna keep quoting till the OP realizes what he/she has gotten into.

[Steelcan]

Obrusnine wrote...


The Catalyst doesn't get an update, he gets replaced. Well, at least that's what happened IMO. I don't have anything to proof this as we don't really get much insight into it. Although, since Shepard is shown walking at the end and not Starchild, I'll err in my own direction.

  "The man I was"  Shepard himself is no longer alive.  His memories, etc... have been preserved but they are not indicativ of his survival.  Plus Shepard disetigrates.  The Catalsyt is still there, he just gets a different perspective.

[Obrusnine]

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Just because the scene is present doesn't mean it has to have a point to it.

I mean seriously, they have Major Coats on the citadel instead of a generic soldier and that's pointless and time wasting.

  First of all, you need a fly cam to see that it is Major Coates.  Secondly, it was probably nothing more than a convenient model to use.  The scene is there beause it has a point, its point is to show that Shepard is alive in High EMS Destroy

Why Major Coats specificially then? There are other generic soldiers capable of wearing a helmet then Major Coats. If they had used that one instead, they wouldn't have had to make the Keeper and his model disappear seconds later.

[Steelcan]

Obrusnine wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

I wasn't even going to bother saying that isn't proof again, but what the hell.

That isn't proof.

Nothing will change your mind wont it OP? You're one tough son of ****... are you from Texas? 

No, I'm from New York. Repeatedly stating the same false information will not convince me after a million times any more then after the first time.

  Except its not false information.

[Peranor]

Steelcan wrote...

anorling wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

anorling wrote...

To give people false hope. Biowares original intent was always to kill Separd in every ending, but didn't have the balls to go through with it. They was afraid they were going to have a sh!tstorm on their hands if they killed Shepard in every ending. Now, they got a sh!tstorm anyway. But thats another story...
So the added a scene that could easily be interpreted the wrong way, ie Shepard lives. So they could hide behind that scene and say. "Look it's up to you to decide if Shepard lived or not (lol)"

I think you are reading WAY too far into this.  If BioWare had wanted to kill off Shepard then there would not have been a breath scene at all.

As far as i'm concerned it would have been better if they just skipped that scene.

They didn't though.  Therefore the scen has a point to it.  Having the scene there just to show Shepard is dead would be a waste of time.

Not a waste of time. It's there to provide false hope, to keep people speculating. And by the gods is it working!
And while we do this Bioware is laughing at us for swallowing the bait. Because they know the truth, they know Shepard died after the breath scene.

But I don't care that Shepard died. I'd pick Destroy any time of the day anyway!

[Obrusnine]

spirosz wrote...

Argolas wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

Yes, these are the breath scenes. And for the record, more proof directly from Bioware.

You may notice that in the “Shepard lives” ending, the love interest hesitates to place Shepard’s name on the wall, and instead looks up as though deep in thought. This is meant to suggest that the love interest
is not ready to believe Shepard is dead, and the final scene reveals they are correct. As the Normandy lifts off, there is hope that the loveinterest and Shepard will again be together.

Link

Gonna keep quoting till the OP realizes what he/she has gotten into.

I am a he and as I just stated, repeating the same information that has already been explained away will not convince me the millionth time any more then it has the first.

[spirosz]

False information from the game itself? Seriously Obrusnine, rofl.

[spirosz]

Well girl, as much as you like to think your opinion is right, too bad. You view it as cynical and that is fine, but don't act as your opinion is anymore valid than someone who views those scenes as Shepard living.

Modifié par spirosz, 12 novembre 2012 - 10:41 .

[Obrusnine]

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

I wasn't even going to bother saying that isn't proof again, but what the hell.

That isn't proof.

Nothing will change your mind wont it OP? You're one tough son of ****... are you from Texas? 

No, I'm from New York. Repeatedly stating the same false information will not convince me after a million times any more then after the first time.

  Except its not false information.

Sorry, I said that wrong, it is IRRELEVANT information.

[Steelcan]

Obrusnine wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Just because the scene is present doesn't mean it has to have a point to it.

I mean seriously, they have Major Coats on the citadel instead of a generic soldier and that's pointless and time wasting.

  First of all, you need a fly cam to see that it is Major Coates.  Secondly, it was probably nothing more than a convenient model to use.  The scene is there beause it has a point, its point is to show that Shepard is alive in High EMS Destroy

Why Major Coats specificially then? There are other generic soldiers capable of wearing a helmet then Major Coats. If they had used that one instead, they wouldn't have had to make the Keeper and his model disappear seconds later.

It is possible that it was just the first model that came to mind for whoever made that scene.   Maybe it was chosen off a list, and Coates was just the first one that popped up.  No proof for this, but it seems plausible

[Obrusnine]

spirosz wrote...

Well girl, as much as you like to think your opinion is right, too bad. You view it as cynical and that is fine, but don't act as your opinion is anymore valid than someone who views those scenes as Shepard living.

I just said I was a guy, and I again say I am not being cynical, just rational. Though if those things go hand and hand, then so be it. I'd rather be able to guess the right result then the wrong one.

[Mello]

Obrusnine wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

I wasn't even going to bother saying that isn't proof again, but what the hell.

That isn't proof.

Nothing will change your mind wont it OP? You're one tough son of ****... are you from Texas? 

No, I'm from New York. Repeatedly stating the same false information will not convince me after a million times any more then after the first time.

  Except its not false information.

Sorry, I said that wrong, it is IRRELEVANT information.

[Obrusnine]

I should be trying to fix all of you, you've obviously been indoctrinated by the true catalyst... Bioware.

[spirosz]

Obrusnine wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Well girl, as much as you like to think your opinion is right, too bad. You view it as cynical and that is fine, but don't act as your opinion is anymore valid than someone who views those scenes as Shepard living.

I just said I was a guy, and I again say I am not being cynical, just rational. Though if those things go hand and hand, then so be it. I'd rather be able to guess the right result then the wrong one.

Girl, don't be shy, I won't bite.  

Seriously though, please tell me how game files and something we see with our own eyes are irrelevant? Rationality flied out the window when people were able to go into space wearing space belts, so don't try to pull that argument with this video game.  

You view the whole thing as a death and again, that is perfectly fine and I understand why you would, but others and I personally see it as him/her living on through whatever "miracle" and what does that all come down to? Opinions, subjectivity, etc. 

[Steelcan]

Obrusnine wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

I wasn't even going to bother saying that isn't proof again, but what the hell.

That isn't proof.

Nothing will change your mind wont it OP? You're one tough son of ****... are you from Texas? 

No, I'm from New York. Repeatedly stating the same false information will not convince me after a million times any more then after the first time.

  Except its not false information.

Sorry, I said that wrong, it is IRRELEVANT information.

  Just because it refutes your point does not make it irrelevant. What is more likely?
A. BioWare wanted the scene to depict Shepard's survival
B. BioWare was so desperate to cause speculation that they included a scene into the game that showed an N7 soldier, with the same gender as your Shepard, breathing, after a specific ending, and only if a certain threshold was reached.  Also naming the game files that contained the scene that specific way only to cause controversy?

[Obrusnine]

spirosz wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Well girl, as much as you like to think your opinion is right, too bad. You view it as cynical and that is fine, but don't act as your opinion is anymore valid than someone who views those scenes as Shepard living.

I just said I was a guy, and I again say I am not being cynical, just rational. Though if those things go hand and hand, then so be it. I'd rather be able to guess the right result then the wrong one.

Girl, don't be shy, I won't bite.  

Who's trolling now? <_<

[Obrusnine]

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Deitar wrote...

Proof. Your argument is invalid OP.

I wasn't even going to bother saying that isn't proof again, but what the hell.

That isn't proof.

Nothing will change your mind wont it OP? You're one tough son of ****... are you from Texas? 

No, I'm from New York. Repeatedly stating the same false information will not convince me after a million times any more then after the first time.

  Except its not false information.

Sorry, I said that wrong, it is IRRELEVANT information.

  Just because it refutes your point does not make it irrelevant. What is more likely?
A. BioWare wanted the scene to depict Shepard's survival
B. BioWare was so desperate to cause speculation that they included a scene into the game that showed an N7 soldier, with the same gender as your Shepard, breathing, after a specific ending, and only if a certain threshold was reached.  Also naming the game files that contained the scene that specific way only to cause controversy?

Took long enough for you guys to get it, although I'm guessing you were trying to say that was unlikely even though the opposite is far less so.

It's not irrelevant because it refutes my point, it's irrelevant because it is not definitive evidence as there is no real proof that it's actually Shepard.