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[BigTuna82]

spirosz wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Well girl, as much as you like to think your opinion is right, too bad. You view it as cynical and that is fine, but don't act as your opinion is anymore valid than someone who views those scenes as Shepard living.

I just said I was a guy, and I again say I am not being cynical, just rational. Though if those things go hand and hand, then so be it. I'd rather be able to guess the right result then the wrong one.

Girl, don't be shy, I won't bite.  

Seriously though, please tell me how game files and something we see with our own eyes are irrelevant? Rationality flied out the window when people were able to go into space wearing space belts, so don't try to pull that argument with this video game.  

You view the whole thing as a death and again, that is perfectly fine and I understand why you would, but others and I personally see it as him/her living on through whatever "miracle" and what does that all come down to? Opinions, subjectivity, etc. 

Obrusnine wrote...

I didn't say the scene was designed to kill off Shepard, only that the odds of it being Shepard are nil.

It's not even Shepard so that's why he feels it irrelevant.  Then he uses the absense of Shepard at the end (in his mind) to be his logic that Shepard is dead.

Farfetched that Shepard's alive.  Yes.  Could Shepard die an instant later after that scene.  Yes.  Beyond that what the OP is saying, trolling or craziness.

[spirosz]

Obrusnine wrote...
Who's trolling now? <_<

I'm assuming you didn't read the rest of my post because it was "irrelevant."

[CrazyRah]

Kel Riever wrote...

Your Shepard didn't live? My Shepard lays a wreath on your Shepard and then goes hangs out with your love interest.

I admit this made me cackle

[Steelcan]

Obrusnine wrote...

Took long enough for you guys to get it, although I'm guessing you were trying to say that was unlikely even though the opposite is far less so.

It's not irrelevant because it refutes my point, it's irrelevant because it is not definitive evidence as there is no real proof that it's actually Shepard.

  Then who is it?  And why in this ending only is Shepard's name not put on the memorial wall?

[Obrusnine]

Oh I read it, it just annoyed me that you implied that rationality can't exist in Science-Fiction. Which is ridiculous.

[Steelcan]

anorling wrote...
Not a waste of time. It's there to provide false hope, to keep people speculating. And by the gods is it working!
And while we do this Bioware is laughing at us for swallowing the bait. Because they know the truth, they know Shepard died after the breath scene.

But I don't care that Shepard died. I'd pick Destroy any time of the day anyway!

  Again, reading too far into it.  If BioWare wanted this they would have confirmed IT

[Argolas]

OP is obviously in denial, regardless of any proof. I'm out of here, good night.

[Nightwriter]

A Reaper crashed into him and he got up. He was jettisoned into space, roasted in a planet's atmosphere, was probably flattened like a pancake on impact, and then was resurrected. He drank lethal poison and lived, with no long term side effects or damage. He appears impervious to indoctrination. He gets into a fistfight with a yahg and is somehow able to hold his own against it as if he were in the same weight and strength class, rather than being beaten to a bloody pulp like any real human being would before a creature three times their size and strength. He is blasted by a laser and lives.

And him surviving in Destroy surprises you? The writers have a history of warping reality where Shepard is concerned.

Which incidentally is why it baffles me when people ask me how I could possibly have expected Shepard to not die. They act like BioWare has always presented Shepard as human.

[M Hedonist]

Obrusnine wrote...

Oh I read it, it just annoyed me that you implied that rationality can't exist in Science-Fiction. Which is ridiculous.

Rationality doesn't exist anywhere in the endings.

[Obrusnine]

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Took long enough for you guys to get it, although I'm guessing you were trying to say that was unlikely even though the opposite is far less so.

It's not irrelevant because it refutes my point, it's irrelevant because it is not definitive evidence as there is no real proof that it's actually Shepard.

  Then who is it?  And why in this ending only is Shepard's name not put on the memorial wall?

Well, it certainly can't be because they know Shepard is alive. After all, they are on a jungle planet several light-years away while no one knows he's even alive (according to you, the being alive part). I guess they just couldn't handle it. I don't know about you, but my Shepard would feel pretty insulted (if he had chosen the Destroy ending, which was the dumbest one IMO).

[spirosz]

Obrusnine wrote...

Oh I read it, it just annoyed me that you implied that rationality can't exist in Science-Fiction. Which is ridiculous.

Oh I'm sorry, my opinion annoyed you?

The irony.  

[Obrusnine]

Argolas wrote...

OP is obviously in denial, regardless of any proof. I'm out of here, good night.

I would argue your in denial for the same reason.

[The Exiled Paladin]

You do realise that the breath scene is entitled Shepard Lives? I doubt Bioware would create it, call it that only for it to be some other randon N7 operative.

You may think Shepard is dead all you like, others believe he lives myself included. So ultimately to each their own.

Modifié par The Exiled Paladin, 12 novembre 2012 - 10:58 .

[Obrusnine]

spirosz wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Oh I read it, it just annoyed me that you implied that rationality can't exist in Science-Fiction. Which is ridiculous.

Oh I'm sorry, my opinion annoyed you?

The irony.  

Not getting what's ironic here.

[AlanC9]

Out of morbid curiosity, why is anyone bothering with this thread? If the OP really wants to believe that Shepard dies, there's no way you're going to convince him otherwise. And if these arguments are the best stuff he's got, he's surely not going to convince anyone of anything himself

[Obrusnine]

Sauruz wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Oh I read it, it just annoyed me that you implied that rationality can't exist in Science-Fiction. Which is ridiculous.

Rationality doesn't exist anywhere in the endings.

For the most part, this is true. Neither does good writing.

[spirosz]

AlanC9 wrote...

Out of morbid curiosity, why is anyone bothering with this thread? If the OP really wants to believe that Shepard dies, there's no way you're going to convince him otherwise. And if these arguments are the best stuff he's got, he's surely not going to convince anyone of anything himself

BSN would be boring without these threads, tbh.  

[Obrusnine]

AlanC9 wrote...

Out of morbid curiosity, why is anyone bothering with this thread? If the OP really wants to believe that Shepard dies, there's no way you're going to convince him otherwise. And if these arguments are the best stuff he's got, he's surely not going to convince anyone of anything himself

My arguments are certainly better then their/your arguments. All I've heard so far in response was...

"Oh, look at this line of code."

"Oh, look this person is obviously Shepard because it matches their gender and the file name says Shepard in it!"

"Oh, look, Shepard is alive because they didn't put his name on the memorial wall... even though it's impossible for them to even have known he was alive or not!"

"Bioware wouldn't have put it there unless the scene had a point, and there is nooooo way the scene could've had a point if that wasn't Shepard."

My arguments are based on the things that actually happened in the game thank you.

[Steelcan]

Obrusnine wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Took long enough for you guys to get it, although I'm guessing you were trying to say that was unlikely even though the opposite is far less so.

It's not irrelevant because it refutes my point, it's irrelevant because it is not definitive evidence as there is no real proof that it's actually Shepard.

  Then who is it?  And why in this ending only is Shepard's name not put on the memorial wall?

Well, it certainly can't be because they know Shepard is alive. After all, they are on a jungle planet several light-years away while no one knows he's even alive (according to you, the being alive part). I guess they just couldn't handle it. I don't know about you, but my Shepard would feel pretty insulted (if he had chosen the Destroy ending, which was the dumbest one IMO).

I agree that it doesn't make sense.  But it seems pretty clear that BioWare intended Shepard to survive if thoe requirements were met.

P.S. Refusal is the dumbest ending, followed by Synthesis, then Control

[DeinonSlayer]

AlanC9 wrote...

Out of morbid curiosity, why is anyone bothering with this thread? If the OP really wants to believe that Shepard dies, there's no way you're going to convince him otherwise. And if these arguments are the best stuff he's got, he's surely not going to convince anyone of anything himself

I think this speaks for the motivations of everyone here:

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 12 novembre 2012 - 11:04 .

[Obrusnine]

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Took long enough for you guys to get it, although I'm guessing you were trying to say that was unlikely even though the opposite is far less so.

It's not irrelevant because it refutes my point, it's irrelevant because it is not definitive evidence as there is no real proof that it's actually Shepard.

  Then who is it?  And why in this ending only is Shepard's name not put on the memorial wall?

Well, it certainly can't be because they know Shepard is alive. After all, they are on a jungle planet several light-years away while no one knows he's even alive (according to you, the being alive part). I guess they just couldn't handle it. I don't know about you, but my Shepard would feel pretty insulted (if he had chosen the Destroy ending, which was the dumbest one IMO).

I agree that it doesn't make sense.  But it seems pretty clear that BioWare intended Shepard to survive if thoe requirements were met.

P.S. Refusal is the dumbest ending, followed by Synthesis, then Control

Oh yea, I forgot about Refusal. That ending was pretty dumb.

I still really hate destroy though, it just conflicts with the entirety ME2 and 3 about how Synthetics and Organics can co-operate. EDI and the crew, the Geth and the Quarians.

"Yay, I just spent 2 games encouraging co-operation. Let's just blow all of one side up then..."

[Obrusnine]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Out of morbid curiosity, why is anyone bothering with this thread? If the OP really wants to believe that Shepard dies, there's no way you're going to convince him otherwise. And if these arguments are the best stuff he's got, he's surely not going to convince anyone of anything himself

I think this speaks for the motivations of everyone here:

I have to admit... this is true.

[Steelcan]

Obrusnine wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Took long enough for you guys to get it, although I'm guessing you were trying to say that was unlikely even though the opposite is far less so.

It's not irrelevant because it refutes my point, it's irrelevant because it is not definitive evidence as there is no real proof that it's actually Shepard.

  Then who is it?  And why in this ending only is Shepard's name not put on the memorial wall?

Well, it certainly can't be because they know Shepard is alive. After all, they are on a jungle planet several light-years away while no one knows he's even alive (according to you, the being alive part). I guess they just couldn't handle it. I don't know about you, but my Shepard would feel pretty insulted (if he had chosen the Destroy ending, which was the dumbest one IMO).

I agree that it doesn't make sense.  But it seems pretty clear that BioWare intended Shepard to survive if thoe requirements were met.

P.S. Refusal is the dumbest ending, followed by Synthesis, then Control

Oh yea, I forgot about Refusal. That ending was pretty dumb.

I still really hate destroy though, it just conflicts with the entirety ME2 and 3 about how Synthetics and Organics can co-operate. EDI and the crew, the Geth and the Quarians.

"Yay, I just spent 2 games encouraging co-operation. Let's just blow all of one side up then..."

  Blame Casper, not Destroy.

[Arathon]

Obrusnine wrote...

The problem is that it isn't an opinion, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.

An other troll *sigh* Come on even Bio stated that he she is alive *smirk*

[cyrslash1974]

http://www.vg247.com...-ending-detail/