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[Jere85]

My shep banged Tali afterwards.

[Bergthron2302]

Obrusnine wrote...


My arguments are based on the things that actually happened in the game thank you.

Hmmmm, based on what actually happened? Shepard had a wound and shot at a tube. End of Scene. We don't see Shepard anymore. Only, as you put it, a random n7-dude.
Shepard might have found some Medigel... because, lets face it, that stuff is lying around everywhere in the ME-universe... and then he patched himself up and was good to go. You know, 'cause medigel cures EVERYTHING in the ME-universe. Remember that Salarian in the Dantius Towers?
"Ohhhh, I don't feel my legs anymore. I can't move!!!! Oh, you've got medigel? Cool, I'm as good as new!!!"

[Mello]

Obrusnine wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Out of morbid curiosity, why is anyone bothering with this thread? If the OP really wants to believe that Shepard dies, there's no way you're going to convince him otherwise. And if these arguments are the best stuff he's got, he's surely not going to convince anyone of anything himself

My arguments are certainly better then their/your arguments. All I've heard so far in response was...

"Oh, look at this line of code."

"Oh, look this person is obviously Shepard because it matches their gender and the file name says Shepard in it!"

"Oh, look, Shepard is alive because they didn't put his name on the memorial wall... even though it's impossible for them to even have known he was alive or not!"

"Bioware wouldn't have put it there unless the scene had a point, and there is nooooo way the scene could've had a point if that wasn't Shepard."

My arguments are based on the things that actually happened in the game thank you.

You forgot "Bioware- the creators of the game and knows the game better than anybody officially said Shepard is alive in the High EMS destroy ending" 

[Peranor]

Jere85 wrote...

My shep banged Tali afterwards.

Tali's in to dead people?? 

[Yesmar]

Jere85 wrote...

My shep banged Tali afterwards.

You sicko, killing the Quarians only to kill the Geth afterwards.

[thehomeworld]

Obrusnine wrote...

The problem is that it isn't an opinion, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.

Not really sharp INHALE of breathe cut scene. Now unless he had a cardic arrest a sharp inhale maybe his last breathe but doubtful considering he was burned, crushed, and trapped for who knows how long. Now if BW really wanted to show it being his/her last breathe it would be a slower exhale or slow half inhale not sharp and sudden.

Now I'm not on the boat for shep lived but the way they ended it its easy to see it that way. I'm in the camp where shep may've woken up but dies shortly after and by shortly thats anywhere from an hour upto several hours later why? Because of the sheer trauma but that doesn't mean people who belive he/she lived dispite the the truma doesn't make the anymore wrong then me considering BW isn't releasing anything that shows shep in hospital after the breathe scene.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 12 novembre 2012 - 11:25 .

[spirosz]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Out of morbid curiosity, why is anyone bothering with this thread? If the OP really wants to believe that Shepard dies, there's no way you're going to convince him otherwise. And if these arguments are the best stuff he's got, he's surely not going to convince anyone of anything himself

My arguments are certainly better then their/your arguments. All I've heard so far in response was...

"Oh, look at this line of code."

"Oh, look this person is obviously Shepard because it matches their gender and the file name says Shepard in it!"

"Oh, look, Shepard is alive because they didn't put his name on the memorial wall... even though it's impossible for them to even have known he was alive or not!"

"Bioware wouldn't have put it there unless the scene had a point, and there is nooooo way the scene could've had a point if that wasn't Shepard."

My arguments are based on the things that actually happened in the game thank you.

You forgot "Bioware- the creators of the game and knows the game better than anybody officially said Shepard is alive in the High EMS destroy ending" 

I only disagree with you because Bioware has been idiotic when it comes to consistency with their game.  But otherwise, I would of agree'd w/ youz.

[thehomeworld]

Obrusnine wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

If all cybernetics are destroyed, every Quarian in the galaxy would drop dead. Biotics would have a VERY bad day. But it doesn't happen. Seems to me Destroy only targets Reaper tech (relays, EDI, augmented Geth). FTL drives still work. "Tech" isn't destroyed, just a few key things which will eventually be repaired or replaced.

Also, what makes you think he's on Earth at all? The Presidium Tower is where the Crucible was coupled, and it looks completely undamaged in the aftermath.

Sorry - not all of our interpretations are as cynical as yours.

Not necessarily, most of the Quarians were on the flotilla with their ships during the battle for Earth. Their ships are sterile environments, they can survive without their suits there. Everyone off the ships is another story. They wouldn't have immediatley dropped dead like Shepard, but they would've almost immediatley started to succumb to infection. Although, honestly, the ships themselves are another plot hole. If the destroy ending wipes out all technology, then everyone on the ships would've immediatley suffocated to death because their environmental systems would've been fried.

The Presidium tower isn't made out of Rebar. So that soldier has to be on Earth.

The cataylist said all REAPER TECH would be destroyed not all technology period. Basically if it had the reaper code inside of it then it would be dead, technically shep should be dead knowing what we know about his cyberetics and EDI the ship version should be dead because she admits she like shep has reaper tech. Unless shep had backups systems for this very day shep defied the lore presented by the catylist so that a happier end could be generated for fans who said while its fine shep died he didn't need to do it 3 times over.

[RethenX]

As John F Kennedy once said....

"We choose to believe that Shepard is alive in the Destroy ending, not because it is easy, but because it is hard."

[Dr_Extrem]

it was never stated, that shepards implants contain reaper tech. this is an assumption.

RethenX wrote...

As John F Kennedy once said....

"We choose to believe that Shepard is alive in the Destroy ending, not because it is easy, but because it is hard."

i like that one.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 12 novembre 2012 - 11:35 .

[Verit]

... Why are people arguing about whether or not Shepard is alive when Bioware deliberately chose to leave it open for interpretation? Evidently they didn't want to provide closure to the Destroy ending. They can't let Shepard die in Destroy, or the whole breath scene would be utterly pointless, but at the same time they don't want Shepard to live because it would make people feel like they sacrificed EDI and the geth to ensure Shepard's survival. It would also invalidate the IT for the few people that still insist on believing it, and Bioware would rather let people believe in that rather than reveal the current ending is actually the real deal. Bioware simply wrote themselves into a corner.

[Edolix]

Why are people bothering with this thread? The OP is obviously trolling.

[cavs25]

Edolix wrote...

Why are people bothering with this thread? The OP is obviously trolling.

Right?
Atleast he is a good one 

[Obrusnine]

cavs25 wrote...

Edolix wrote...

Why are people bothering with this thread? The OP is obviously trolling.

Right?
Atleast he is a good one 

If I have to say that (insert thing here) is not true one more time, I am going to murder all of you with my Reapers.

Modifié par Obrusnine, 12 novembre 2012 - 11:41 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Obrusnine wrote...

cavs25 wrote...

Edolix wrote...

Why are people bothering with this thread? The OP is obviously trolling.

Right?
Atleast he is a good one 

If I have to say that (insert thing here) is not true one more time, I am going to murder all of you with my Reapers.

ahh yes "reapers". we have dismissed that claim.

[ghost9191]

guess that line explains everything lol

and your first argument is false

[KieranW]

The problem is that it isn't an opinion, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.

Like the file being called Shepard_Alive.

And the gender of the person in the clip changing depending on whether you played Male or FemShep.

Yep... All the evidence points to the contrary. No way. Shepard survived. Or the Catalyst was fibbing. Nope. No chance.

>_>

[Obrusnine]

No, your argument is false... mostly because you don't seem to have one of your own. Instead just like everyone else, you're piggy-backing off of those who came before.

[ghost9191]

KieranW wrote...

The problem is that it isn't an opinion, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.

Like the file being called Shepard_Alive.

And the gender of the person in the clip changing depending on whether you played Male or FemShep.

Yep... All the evidence points to the contrary. No way. Shepard survived. Or the Catalyst was fibbing. Nope. No chance.

>_>

gonna have to disagree, i think that supports shepard living

[Conniving_Eagle]

Leave people's headcanon alone, jerk.

[WNxPowder]

So i shouldn't of collected all of those War Assets to achieve the highest ending

[Kel Riever]

We are totally going places in this thread.....

[ghost9191]

@Obrusnine

if you are talking to me , i did not make a argument . just said your argument about obliterating tech is false/ because that doesn't happen lol , well in low ems it kinda does but pretty sure we are talking about high

i didn't make a argument for or against though. no point in that . it is however you interpret it .

[ThaDPG]

Obrusnine wrote...

Okay, I've been seeing this pop up wayyyyyy too frequently where people still actually believe Shepard is alive in the destroy ending. So I really want to ruin your day, he did not survive. The person taking a breath cannot have been him, period.

The first piece of evidence is the obvious one. The Destroy ending obliterates all technology, this is immediatley established about it. It doesn't just kill the Reapers, it kills all tech, everywhere in the galaxy. Shepard has cybernetic implants, and it has been repeatedly established throughout the series that he cannot live without them. In the beginning of the game, Chakwas checks to make sure your cybernetic implants were okay because she was worried. The blast would've fried Shepard's implants and instantaneously killed him.

The second piece is a little less obvious, but one of the developers stated that the person taking a breath in the scene is surrounded by Rebar. London has tons of Rebar. Even if you could convince me that Shepard could survive the citadel exploding into pieces, or that Shepard could survive re-entry (which he could not), the chances are even more astronomical that he would land right back in London where he started. Earth is a pretty big planet, you dig? Hell, chances are astronomically low that he would land on land. 70 percent of the Earth is covered in water. Besides, Shepard would die on impact because he is travelling at terminal velocity.

Now I know your going to argue now that Shepard's armor could've protected him. I ask you how? Shepard's armor was torn to bits by Harbinger's beam. He had no kinetic barriers to stop him from being killed by the citadel explosion, re-entry, and hitting the ground.

The third one is just a question of resilience. I urge you not to put Shepard on too high a pedestal here. Sure, Shepard's a bad-ass, but he's still a HUMAN BEING. It's already amazing that he survived the intense heat from Harbinger's beam, getting shot in the shoulder, and losing a ton of blood. There is no way you an convince me that he also survived everything above.

So just get it into your thick skulls. Just because some dude wearing N7 armor took a breath in the end, just because the people didn't put his name on the wall (How would they even know not to? They are on a jungle planet light-years away from Earth.), just because Shepard's a bad-ass... that does not mean he survived.

Shepard dies in the Destroy ending, end of story.

So what's the point of showing the scene if it's just some random dude we've never heard of?

[Mello]

spirosz wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Out of morbid curiosity, why is anyone bothering with this thread? If the OP really wants to believe that Shepard dies, there's no way you're going to convince him otherwise. And if these arguments are the best stuff he's got, he's surely not going to convince anyone of anything himself

My arguments are certainly better then their/your arguments. All I've heard so far in response was...

"Oh, look at this line of code."

"Oh, look this person is obviously Shepard because it matches their gender and the file name says Shepard in it!"

"Oh, look, Shepard is alive because they didn't put his name on the memorial wall... even though it's impossible for them to even have known he was alive or not!"

"Bioware wouldn't have put it there unless the scene had a point, and there is nooooo way the scene could've had a point if that wasn't Shepard."

My arguments are based on the things that actually happened in the game thank you.

You forgot "Bioware- the creators of the game and knows the game better than anybody officially said Shepard is alive in the High EMS destroy ending" 

I only disagree with you because Bioware has been idiotic when it comes to consistency with their game.  But otherwise, I would of agree'd w/ youz.

It's sad that I cant argue with that.