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[Obrusnine]

futurepixels wrote...

 Where is Chris P. to edit the title of this thread like he did with the "Shepard is alive" thread a couple months back?

Should I change the title? I mean, this is a forum for spoilers.

[DextroDNA]

Obrusnine wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

Yes, Bioware put a 3 second clip of a random N7 soldier wearing the same armour as Shepard, that changes the sound of the breath depending on what gender your character was... for no reason.

Just for teh lulz. Couldn't have been Shepard.

Also, Indoctrination Theory?

The reason is to encourage speculation. Which is exactly what we're doing now. Although, honestly, what I said is common sense which apparently a lot of people don't know how to use.

Why is this everyone's reaction? Why does everything have to be to cause speculation?

It was Shepard, end of. You only get it if you Destroy, and the EC hints towards Shep being alive - your LI doesn't believe you're dead.

Lots of evidence to counter your argument.

Again, IT.

[M Hedonist]

Obrusnine wrote...

The person taking a breath cannot have been him, period.

Wrong.

The Destroy ending obliterates all technology, this is immediatley established about it.

Wrong.

The second piece is a little less obvious, but one of the developers stated that the person taking a breath in the scene is surrounded by Rebar.

Source?

London has tons of Rebar.

Right. However, the following notion that it is the only place in the galaxy with rebar: wrong.

Shepard dies in the Destroy ending, end of story.

Wrong.

Modifié par Sauruz, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:37 .

[MegaSovereign]

Obrusnine wrote...

futurepixels wrote...

 Where is Chris P. to edit the title of this thread like he did with the "Shepard is alive" thread a couple months back?

Should I change the title? I mean, this is a forum for spoilers.

No the thread title is fine because it's not actually true.

[Obrusnine]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

The problem is that it isn't an opinion, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.

You're completely wrong. That's the problem.

1) That is Shepard taking the breath. It's been confirmed by the fact that the sound of the breath corresponds to what gender your Shepard is.

2) The narrative implication is there to suggest that Shepard survived the blast--and he did. What other reason would they put that scene in there for? 

Sorry, the ending isn't as bleak as you say it is.

Guy's a rager. I doubt anything constructive will come out of this thread.

I am not raging. I'm merely using common sense.

Seriously, there is absolutely no evidence that

1. The person taking a breath is actually Shepard (don't even try and bring up the gender thing again)

and

2. That Shepard could've survived everything that just happened.

There is only an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary.

[DeinonSlayer]

Obrusnine wrote...

futurepixels wrote...

 Where is Chris P. to edit the title of this thread like he did with the "Shepard is alive" thread a couple months back?

Should I change the title? I mean, this is a forum for spoilers.

He changed the last one to "In my opinion, Shepard is alive." Same would apply here in reverse.

Alive or dead, it's up to each of us to decide what to believe. Either conclusion is valid.

In my opinion, Shepard lives.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:38 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Obrusnine wrote...

Doommarine23 wrote...

Seriously you guys, I show the files which clearly state it's an intended scene of life, and the developers themselves obviously meant the endings to be open-ended.

I just don't get it about you people. If you want your Shepard to live, just think that and move on. Open-Ended endings are not supposed to hold your hands.

I would love it if Shepard lives, but it's impossible that he did. I'm just being realistic.

realistic? ... you are a funny one ..

a realistic commander shepard would have ended up in a psychiatric ward after akuze, elysuim or torfan, colouring books.

[CDR David Shepard]

Obrusnine wrote...

Doommarine23 wrote...

Seriously you guys, I show the files which clearly state it's an intended scene of life, and the developers themselves obviously meant the endings to be open-ended.

I just don't get it about you people. If you want your Shepard to live, just think that and move on. Open-Ended endings are not supposed to hold your hands.

I would love it if Shepard lives, but it's impossible that he did. I'm just being realistic.

Your problem is that you're trying to be "realistic" while talking about a futuristic sci-fi universe in which the "impossible" has already been shown.

Shepard was brought back in ME2...yet you think it's "impossible" for Shepard to be alive during the breath scene.

If anyone is not being "realistic" here...it's you.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:41 .

[hiraeth]

futurepixels wrote...

 Where is Chris P. to edit the title of this thread like he did with the "Shepard is alive" thread a couple months back?

i was just thinking this

[Obrusnine]

Sauruz wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

The person taking a breath cannot have been him, period.

Wrong.

The Destroy ending obliterates all technology, this is immediatley established about it.

Wrong.

The second piece is a little less obvious, but one of the developers stated that the person taking a breath in the scene is surrounded by Rebar.

Source?

London has tons of Rebar.

Right. However, the following notion that it is the only place in the galaxy with rebar: wrong.

Shepard dies in the Destroy ending, end of story.

Wrong.

1. You gave no evidence to the contrary.

2. Again, no evidence to the contary.

3. Comic-Con 2012. I think it was Chris Gamble who said it, or someone with that kind of name. I'm not very good with names.

4. I never said that.

5. No evidence to the contrary.

[noobcannon]

if you are femshep, the character that takes the breath has boobs. if you are dudeshep there are no boobs. you lose OP.

[BigTuna82]

Where's that photo with the lettering "ya'll posting in a troll thread"?

[MegaSovereign]

Obrusnine wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

The problem is that it isn't an opinion, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.

You're completely wrong. That's the problem.

1) That is Shepard taking the breath. It's been confirmed by the fact that the sound of the breath corresponds to what gender your Shepard is.

2) The narrative implication is there to suggest that Shepard survived the blast--and he did. What other reason would they put that scene in there for? 

Sorry, the ending isn't as bleak as you say it is.

Guy's a rager. I doubt anything constructive will come out of this thread.

I am not raging. I'm merely using common sense.

Seriously, there is absolutely no evidence that

1. The person taking a breath is actually Shepard (don't even try and bring up the gender thing again)

and

2. That Shepard could've survived everything that just happened.

There is only an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary.

@bolded part

Why? Because you can't refute it?

You sound butthurt. Now you can't troll as effectively.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:41 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Sauruz wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

The person taking a breath cannot have been him, period.

Wrong.

The Destroy ending obliterates all technology, this is immediatley established about it.

Wrong.

The second piece is a little less obvious, but one of the developers stated that the person taking a breath in the scene is surrounded by Rebar.

Source?

London has tons of Rebar.

Right. However, the following notion that it is the only place in the galaxy with rebar: wrong.

Shepard dies in the Destroy ending, end of story.

Wrong.

Trololol it was all just a bad dream ... 

[Obrusnine]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Doommarine23 wrote...

Seriously you guys, I show the files which clearly state it's an intended scene of life, and the developers themselves obviously meant the endings to be open-ended.

I just don't get it about you people. If you want your Shepard to live, just think that and move on. Open-Ended endings are not supposed to hold your hands.

I would love it if Shepard lives, but it's impossible that he did. I'm just being realistic.

Your problem is that you're being "realistic" while talking about a futuristic sci-fi universe in which the "impossible" has already been shown.

Shepard was brought back in ME2...yet you think it's "impossible" for Shepard to be alive during the breath scene.

That took 2 years and billions of credits in a good economy to accomplish. The economy is destroyed, trillions are dead, and no one is going to be out looking for Shepard instead of tending to the wounded. Even if somehow he survived (which is a crazy off-the walls happy-go-lucky thinking kind of thing), there would've been no one around to provide medical attention. He was buried under rubble as well, making it doubly hard. He would've bled out.

Just because it's science-fiction doesn't mean a lot of it isn't plausible. I only like Science Fiction that is plausible. One of my problems with this ending in particular is that the game doesn't follow it's own rules.

[Obrusnine]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

The problem is that it isn't an opinion, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.

You're completely wrong. That's the problem.

1) That is Shepard taking the breath. It's been confirmed by the fact that the sound of the breath corresponds to what gender your Shepard is.

2) The narrative implication is there to suggest that Shepard survived the blast--and he did. What other reason would they put that scene in there for? 

Sorry, the ending isn't as bleak as you say it is.

Guy's a rager. I doubt anything constructive will come out of this thread.

I am not raging. I'm merely using common sense.

Seriously, there is absolutely no evidence that

1. The person taking a breath is actually Shepard (don't even try and bring up the gender thing again)

and

2. That Shepard could've survived everything that just happened.

There is only an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary.

@bolded part

Why? Because you can't refute it?

You sound butthurt. Now you can't troll as effectively.

No, because it isn't even actual proof. It's an inconsequential piece of evidence that doesn't proof anything. There are a lot of things in the games that are altered by your decisions that can't even be linked to your decisions in any way, this is just one of them.

[Ultranovae]

Shepard is alive because artistic integrity.
But seriously now, putting that scene their with a random N7 soldier wouldn't make any sense from a narrative point of view.
And Shepard's survival in the destroy ending simply adds poignancy to the fact that a great many (synthetic) lives have been lost I order to preserves all organic life. Their millions. Of casualties you must pay for chance to keep your life.
This is why I can never agree with people who think that some of the endings are bad because Shepard dies. In such a colossal struggle, compromises and prices have to be paid to end the galactic wide conflict.

[Obrusnine]

BigTuna82 wrote...

Where's that photo with the lettering "ya'll posting in a troll thread"?

I'm not trolling, giving my completely 100-percent honest opinion. Although, honestly, it's not even an opinion. How can you refute such an overwhelming amount of evidence and common sense? 

You guys just WANT Shepard to be alive so much that you can't accept the opposite being true. 

I want Shepard to be alive, sure, but it's not possible.

[Asch Lavigne]

If Shep can survive being BBQ'd by Harbinger, shoot Husks and a Marauder, limp up to the beam, limp across part of the Citadel, and shoot TIM, she can survive a tube blowing up in her face. Also, Shep fell off tons of rubble in the game and never got injured. Not a scratch or a limp, she just got right back up. So surviving the Citadel rubble is nothing different.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:46 .

[Enhanced]

Obrusnine wrote...

Okay, I've been seeing this pop up wayyyyyy too frequently where people still actually believe Shepard is alive in the destroy ending. So I really want to ruin your day, he did not survive. The person taking a breath cannot have been him, period.

The first piece of evidence is the obvious one. The Destroy ending obliterates all technology, this is immediatley established about it. It doesn't just kill the Reapers, it kills all tech, everywhere in the galaxy. Shepard has cybernetic implants, and it has been repeatedly established throughout the series that he cannot live without them. In the beginning of the game, Chakwas checks to make sure your cybernetic implants were okay because she was worried. The blast would've fried Shepard's implants and instantaneously killed him.

The second piece is a little less obvious, but one of the developers stated that the person taking a breath in the scene is surrounded by Rebar. London has tons of Rebar. Even if you could convince me that Shepard could survive the citadel exploding into pieces, or that Shepard could survive re-entry (which he could not), the chances are even more astronomical that he would land right back in London where he started. Earth is a pretty big planet, you dig? Hell, chances are astronomically low that he would land on land. 70 percent of the Earth is covered in water. Besides, Shepard would die on impact because he is travelling at terminal velocity.

Now I know your going to argue now that Shepard's armor could've protected him. I ask you how? Shepard's armor was torn to bits by Harbinger's beam. He had no kinetic barriers to stop him from being killed by the citadel explosion, re-entry, and hitting the ground.

The third one is just a question of resilience. I urge you not to put Shepard on too high a pedestal here. Sure, Shepard's a bad-ass, but he's still a HUMAN BEING. It's already amazing that he survived the intense heat from Harbinger's beam, getting shot in the shoulder, and losing a ton of blood. There is no way you an convince me that he also survived everything above.

So just get it into your thick skulls. Just because some dude wearing N7 armor took a breath in the end, just because the people didn't put his name on the wall (How would they even know not to? They are on a jungle planet light-years away from Earth.), just because Shepard's a bad-ass... that does not mean he survived.

Shepard dies in the Destroy ending, end of story.

None of those prove that he didn't live.

First Shepard is not a full synthetic like EDI and Geth.

Second The corridor in the Citadel that leads Shepard to the control panel and TIM has concrete or concrete-like structures on both sides

Third  It was obvious that he didn't disintegrate like he does during Control and Synthesis.

Modifié par Enhanced, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:51 .

[Obrusnine]

Ultranovae wrote...

Shepard is alive because artistic integrity.
But seriously now, putting that scene their with a random N7 soldier wouldn't make any sense from a narrative point of view.
And Shepard's survival in the destroy ending simply adds poignancy to the fact that a great many (synthetic) lives have been lost I order to preserves all organic life. Their millions. Of casualties you must pay for chance to keep your life.
This is why I can never agree with people who think that some of the endings are bad because Shepard dies. In such a colossal struggle, compromises and prices have to be paid to end the galactic wide conflict.

I don't think the endings are bad because Shepard dies (I'm perfectly alright with that), hell, I actually like all of the EC endings besides the Destroy. I don't like it because the overwhelming amount of plot-holes and the useless amount of teasing to the contrary of what is actually possible.

Also, EA is really making the decisions here. If it makes sense from a marketing point of view (which it does), they are all "sign us up!".

[maia0407]

Obrusnine wrote...

Okay, I've been seeing this pop up wayyyyyy too frequently where people still actually believe Shepard is alive in the destroy ending. So I really want to ruin your day, he did not survive. The person taking a breath cannot have been him, period.

The first piece of evidence is the obvious one. The Destroy ending obliterates all technology, this is immediatley established about it. It doesn't just kill the Reapers, it kills all tech, everywhere in the galaxy. Shepard has cybernetic implants, and it has been repeatedly established throughout the series that he cannot live without them. In the beginning of the game, Chakwas checks to make sure your cybernetic implants were okay because she was worried. The blast would've fried Shepard's implants and instantaneously killed him.

As you've already conceded, destroy did not obliterate all tech as the quarian ships survived. You want to call this a plothole, but this is just more evidence that not all technology was destroyed as as the EC indicates. It appears that reaper tech was destroyed, not all tech.

The second piece is a little less obvious, but one of the developers stated that the person taking a breath in the scene is surrounded by Rebar. London has tons of Rebar. Even if you could convince me that Shepard could survive the citadel exploding into pieces, or that Shepard could survive re-entry (which he could not), the chances are even more astronomical that he would land right back in London where he started. Earth is a pretty big planet, you dig? Hell, chances are astronomically low that he would land on land. 70 percent of the Earth is covered in water. Besides, Shepard would die on impact because he is travelling at terminal velocity.

I'm not getting the significance of rebar. How do you know that rebar is not used on the citadel?  I'll give you the re-entry problem although we don't know if Shep did, in fact, leave the Citadel or by what means; Shep could have re-entered earth using the beam. We just don't know enough about where Shep is at and what happened after she activated the crucible to say.

[DeinonSlayer]

Obrusnine wrote...

BigTuna82 wrote...

Where's that photo with the lettering "ya'll posting in a troll thread"?

I'm not trolling, giving my completely 100-percent honest opinion. Although, honestly, it's not even an opinion. How can you refute such an overwhelming amount of evidence and common sense? 

You guys just WANT Shepard to be alive so much that you can't accept the opposite being true. 

I want Shepard to be alive, sure, but it's not possible.

Yes. "Opinion." Just like the guy who made the other thread was giving his opinion.

Care to rename your thread? It'd save everyone some time and people wouldn't be viewing you as hostile.

[Obrusnine]

Enhanced wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Okay, I've been seeing this pop up wayyyyyy too frequently where people still actually believe Shepard is alive in the destroy ending. So I really want to ruin your day, he did not survive. The person taking a breath cannot have been him, period.

The first piece of evidence is the obvious one. The Destroy ending obliterates all technology, this is immediatley established about it. It doesn't just kill the Reapers, it kills all tech, everywhere in the galaxy. Shepard has cybernetic implants, and it has been repeatedly established throughout the series that he cannot live without them. In the beginning of the game, Chakwas checks to make sure your cybernetic implants were okay because she was worried. The blast would've fried Shepard's implants and instantaneously killed him.

The second piece is a little less obvious, but one of the developers stated that the person taking a breath in the scene is surrounded by Rebar. London has tons of Rebar. Even if you could convince me that Shepard could survive the citadel exploding into pieces, or that Shepard could survive re-entry (which he could not), the chances are even more astronomical that he would land right back in London where he started. Earth is a pretty big planet, you dig? Hell, chances are astronomically low that he would land on land. 70 percent of the Earth is covered in water. Besides, Shepard would die on impact because he is travelling at terminal velocity.

Now I know your going to argue now that Shepard's armor could've protected him. I ask you how? Shepard's armor was torn to bits by Harbinger's beam. He had no kinetic barriers to stop him from being killed by the citadel explosion, re-entry, and hitting the ground.

The third one is just a question of resilience. I urge you not to put Shepard on too high a pedestal here. Sure, Shepard's a bad-ass, but he's still a HUMAN BEING. It's already amazing that he survived the intense heat from Harbinger's beam, getting shot in the shoulder, and losing a ton of blood. There is no way you an convince me that he also survived everything above.

So just get it into your thick skulls. Just because some dude wearing N7 armor took a breath in the end, just because the people didn't put his name on the wall (How would they even know not to? They are on a jungle planet light-years away from Earth.), just because Shepard's a bad-ass... that does not mean he survived.

Shepard dies in the Destroy ending, end of story.

None of those prove that he didn't live.

First Shepard is not a full synthetic like EDI and Geth.

Second The corridor in the Citadel that leads Shepard to the control panel before you get to TIM has concrete or concrete-like structures on both sides

Third  It was obvious that he didn't disintegrate like he does during Control and Synthesis.

1. ...and? It's been constantly confirmed that Shepard can't survive without his cybernetic implants. He doesn't have to be full synthetic to be effected by it.

2. Who would build a space station from Concrete or Rebar? That's ridiculous.

3. So? Everything else that happened would've killed him anyways. After re-entry, he would've been nothing else but a smoking corpse. After hitting the ground, he would've been nothing other then a pancake. After the explosion, he would've been left without air for several minutes in space.

[hiraeth]

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