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[mackan__s]

Just one question.. if it wasnt Shepard, who was it? Something made Bioware make the game this way.. right? not; "oh, how cool would't it be if a random soldier take a breath/ a last breath without seeing his/her face.."

Do you even hear how it sounds?

Modifié par mackan__s, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:54 .

[Obrusnine]

maia0407 wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

Okay, I've been seeing this pop up wayyyyyy too frequently where people still actually believe Shepard is alive in the destroy ending. So I really want to ruin your day, he did not survive. The person taking a breath cannot have been him, period.

The first piece of evidence is the obvious one. The Destroy ending obliterates all technology, this is immediatley established about it. It doesn't just kill the Reapers, it kills all tech, everywhere in the galaxy. Shepard has cybernetic implants, and it has been repeatedly established throughout the series that he cannot live without them. In the beginning of the game, Chakwas checks to make sure your cybernetic implants were okay because she was worried. The blast would've fried Shepard's implants and instantaneously killed him.

As you've already conceded, destroy did not obliterate all tech as the quarian ships survived. You want to call this a plothole, but this is just more evidence that not all technology was destroyed as as the EC indicates. It appears that reaper tech was destroyed, not all tech.

The second piece is a little less obvious, but one of the developers stated that the person taking a breath in the scene is surrounded by Rebar. London has tons of Rebar. Even if you could convince me that Shepard could survive the citadel exploding into pieces, or that Shepard could survive re-entry (which he could not), the chances are even more astronomical that he would land right back in London where he started. Earth is a pretty big planet, you dig? Hell, chances are astronomically low that he would land on land. 70 percent of the Earth is covered in water. Besides, Shepard would die on impact because he is travelling at terminal velocity.

I'm not getting the significance of rebar. How do you know that rebar is not used on the citadel?  I'll give you the re-entry problem although we don't know if Shep did, in fact, leave the Citadel or by what means; Shep could have re-entered earth using the beam. We just don't know enough about where Shep is at and what happened after she activated the crucible to say.

I don't understand why anyone thinks somebody would build a futuristic space station from Rebar.

Also, there is no way he would've had the time to make it back to the beam before the explosion. It happened too fast. Not to mention it should've been destroyed as well.

Also, yes it appears it didn't obliterate all tech, but why say it would obliterate all tech if it won't obliterate all tech? It's the Catalyst's backwards logic all over again.

[Obrusnine]

mackan__s wrote...

Just one question.. if it wasnt Shepard, who was it? Something made Bioware make the game this way.. right? not; "oh, how cool would't it be if a random soldier take a breath/ a last breath without seeing his/her face,,,

Do you even hear how it sounds?

Yes, it sounds ridiculous because it is ridiculous that Bioware would even tease something so stupid.

[DeinonSlayer]

If you're going to continue to insist, based on no evidence, that all cybernetics were destroyed AND Shepard is on Earth, I'm afraid we're not going to get anywhere.

Now, will you rename the thread or not?

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:55 .

[MegaSovereign]

Obrusnine wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

The problem is that it isn't an opinion, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.

You're completely wrong. That's the problem.

1) That is Shepard taking the breath. It's been confirmed by the fact that the sound of the breath corresponds to what gender your Shepard is.

2) The narrative implication is there to suggest that Shepard survived the blast--and he did. What other reason would they put that scene in there for? 

Sorry, the ending isn't as bleak as you say it is.

Guy's a rager. I doubt anything constructive will come out of this thread.

I am not raging. I'm merely using common sense.

Seriously, there is absolutely no evidence that

1. The person taking a breath is actually Shepard (don't even try and bring up the gender thing again)

and

2. That Shepard could've survived everything that just happened.

There is only an overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary.

@bolded part

Why? Because you can't refute it?

You sound butthurt. Now you can't troll as effectively.

No, because it isn't even actual proof. It's an inconsequential piece of evidence that doesn't proof anything. There are a lot of things in the games that are altered by your decisions that can't even be linked to your decisions in any way, this is just one of them.

You sure are reaching aren't  you?

[devSin]

Yes, Shepard dies in all endings.

Unless Shepard lives. Then Shepard might not die.

Or Shepard may still die.

Who knows?

It's ambiguous on purpose.

Closure!

Modifié par devSin, 12 novembre 2012 - 08:56 .

[Obrusnine]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

BigTuna82 wrote...

Where's that photo with the lettering "ya'll posting in a troll thread"?

I'm not trolling, giving my completely 100-percent honest opinion. Although, honestly, it's not even an opinion. How can you refute such an overwhelming amount of evidence and common sense? 

You guys just WANT Shepard to be alive so much that you can't accept the opposite being true. 

I want Shepard to be alive, sure, but it's not possible.

Yes. "Opinion." Just like the guy who made the other thread was giving his opinion.

Care to rename your thread? It'd save everyone some time and people wouldn't be viewing you as hostile.

What would I change it to? Me presenting proof that it's impossible for Shepard to have survived is the entire point of the thread.

[hiraeth]

Obrusnine wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Obrusnine wrote...

BigTuna82 wrote...

Where's that photo with the lettering "ya'll posting in a troll thread"?

I'm not trolling, giving my completely 100-percent honest opinion. Although, honestly, it's not even an opinion. How can you refute such an overwhelming amount of evidence and common sense? 

You guys just WANT Shepard to be alive so much that you can't accept the opposite being true. 

I want Shepard to be alive, sure, but it's not possible.

Yes. "Opinion." Just like the guy who made the other thread was giving his opinion.

Care to rename your thread? It'd save everyone some time and people wouldn't be viewing you as hostile.

What would I change it to? Me presenting proof that it's impossible for Shepard to have survived is the entire point of the thread.

"I believe that it is impossible for Shepard to survive the high-EMS Destroy ending"

[M Hedonist]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

If you're going to continue to insist, based on no evidence, that all cybernetics were destroyed AND Shepard is on Earth, I'm afraid we're not going to get anywhere.

This thread was created to cement OP's own beliefs, not to receive opinions from others. In technological terms, he closed his input channel. Consequently, what is coming out of his output channel is rubbish.

[DeinonSlayer]

Same as the last thread. "In my opinion, Shepard did NOT LIVE."

The other guy provided "proof" too.

[Mathias]

Guys he's trolling you. He can't be that stupid, the devs themselves even said it was Shepard.

[Seboist]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Guys he's trolling you. He can't be that stupid, the devs themselves even said it was Shepard.

You never know, you have people who seriously believe in IT and others who think "James Bond" is a codename.

[Yesmar]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Same as the last thread. "In my opinion, Shepard did NOT LIVE."

The other guy provided "proof" too.

Sounds like you're in denial.

[Obrusnine]

Sauruz wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

If you're going to continue to insist, based on no evidence, that all cybernetics were destroyed AND Shepard is on Earth, I'm afraid we're not going to get anywhere.

This thread was created to cement OP's own beliefs, not to receive opinions from others. In technological terms, he closed his input channel. Consequently, what is coming out of his output channel is rubbish.

I find it funny how everyone is telling me this is bull and stuff when absolutely no one has provided anything but inconsequential evidence to the contrary.

I also don't need to cement my beliefs, this is common sense which everyone appears to be ignoring. I just wanted to point all of this out so that you stop posting "omg Shepard's alive" and crap when it's not true.

[BigTuna82]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Guys he's trolling you. He can't be that stupid, the devs themselves even said it was Shepard.

Obrusnine wrote...

I didn't say the scene was designed to kill off Shepard, only that the odds of it being Shepard are nil.

Hey, that settles it there.  Odds are nil!  We can all go home now.  Feel free to close this thread.

[maia0407]

I don't understand why anyone thinks somebody would build a futuristic space station from Rebar.

You haven't provided any reason as to why you don't think this is the case other than you can't imagine this is the case. I doubt the hull of the station was built using concrete but some of the structures within certainly could use it. This is the problem with your entire post; you are stating things as facts when in reality you are making assumptions. Your assumptions lead to the conclusion that Shep is dead; mine don't.

Also, yes it appears it didn't obliterate all tech, but why say it would obliterate all tech if it won't obliterate all tech? It's the Catalyst's backwards logic all over again.

The Catalyst is a liar. Simple. Really, the EC retcons all of that anyway.

Modifié par maia0407, 12 novembre 2012 - 09:06 .

[LilLino]

Doommarine23 wrote...

Shepard is dead? Really?

How about
End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem
End03_Shepard_Alive_Male

Those are the breathing scenes. Pretty obvious what they intended.

[jpraelster93]

Obrusnine wrote...

The problem is that it isn't an opinion, there is just too much evidence to the contrary.

You do realize in the GAME FILES there is a file called shepard LIVES for the destroy ending 

/Thread

Modifié par jpraelster93, 12 novembre 2012 - 09:04 .

[Obrusnine]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Guys he's trolling you. He can't be that stupid, the devs themselves even said it was Shepard.

They never said specifically it was Shepard, only alluded to it.

How is it stupid that I'm interpreting obvious evidence with an investigator's sense, impartial.

[jpraelster93]

LilLino wrote...

Doommarine23 wrote...

Shepard is dead? Really?

How about
End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem
End03_Shepard_Alive_Male

Those are the breathing scenes. Pretty obvious what they intended.

[Obrusnine]

maia0407 wrote...

I don't understand why anyone thinks somebody would build a futuristic space station from Rebar.

You haven't provided any reason as to why you don't think this is the case other than you can't imagine this is the case.. I doubt the hull of the station was built using it but some of the structures within certainly could use concrete. This is the problem with your entire post; you are stating things as facts when in reality you are making assumptions. Your assumptions lead to the conclusion that Shep is dead; mine don't.

Also, yes it appears it didn't obliterate all tech, but why say it would obliterate all tech if it won't obliterate all tech? It's the Catalyst's backwards logic all over again.

The Catalyst is a liar. Simple. Really, the EC retcons all of that anyway.

It's just ridiculous, that wasn't my main piece of evidence anyways, just something to compliment the already obvious evidence.

I totally agree, the Catalyst is the stupidest AI I've ever come into contact with. The writing for his character is just awful.

[DeinonSlayer]

Obrusnine wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

If you're going to continue to insist, based on no evidence, that all cybernetics were destroyed AND Shepard is on Earth, I'm afraid we're not going to get anywhere.

This thread was created to cement OP's own beliefs, not to receive opinions from others. In technological terms, he closed his input channel. Consequently, what is coming out of his output channel is rubbish.

I find it funny how everyone is telling me this is bull and stuff when absolutely no one has provided anything but inconsequential evidence to the contrary.

I also don't need to cement my beliefs, this is common sense which everyone appears to be ignoring. I just wanted to point all of this out so that you stop posting "omg Shepard's alive" and crap when it's not true.

You've provided no evidence that "all cybernetics," or "all tech" is destroyed. We have compelling evidence to the contrary, which you dismissed as a plot hole out of nothing but your own unwillingness to question your assertion. You have no proof Shepard is on Earth, either.

[Obrusnine]

jpraelster93 wrote...

LilLino wrote...

Doommarine23 wrote...

Shepard is dead? Really?

How about
End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem
End03_Shepard_Alive_Male

Those are the breathing scenes. Pretty obvious what they intended.

What the dev intended and what actually happened are two entirely different things.

[Kel Riever]

Maybe if the ending(s) was actually good, there wouldn't be a need to wonder....

[BigTuna82]

Obrusnine wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Guys he's trolling you. He can't be that stupid, the devs themselves even said it was Shepard.

They never said specifically it was Shepard, only alluded to it.

How is it stupid that I'm interpreting obvious evidence with an investigator's sense, impartial.

I can't speak for others, but my problem with you is that you use what you see as a lack of evidence that Shepard lives as your proof that he doesn't live.  You claim an investigator's sense, but you fail the "absence of evidence isn't evidence of absense" adage.

Modifié par BigTuna82, 12 novembre 2012 - 09:09 .