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[Dr_Extrem]

sure .. send emails to 10000 randomly selected mass effect 3 players and make a survey ...

at least 10% will send it back ... thats ok ... infratrest in germany asks 1000 people the "sonntagsfrage" - "which party would you vote for"-question.

despite only asking 1000 people, they are very accurate. maybe not by 1% but really close.


the disappointment on the endings was shown in a lot of polls on different websites. one poll was on germanys biggest newspapers webside (bild.de). the outcome was in the fashion of the bsn poll.

[KingZayd]

Redbelle wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

But for people who believe in correct statistics 426 is nothing. Even tens of thousands would be too few...

I assume when you mean "correct" statistics you mean "correct" as in your sense of "correct" biology?

Well have you  or anyone else dissected over 50% of all lifeforms? No? well then clearly none of that evidence is valid,  as the number of specimens is far too few, because that is how science works apparently.

You could always try sampling.

No. According to seival, that wouldn't be valid.

[Redbelle]

KingZayd wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Seival wrote...

But for people who believe in correct statistics 426 is nothing. Even tens of thousands would be too few...

I assume when you mean "correct" statistics you mean "correct" as in your sense of "correct" biology?

Well have you  or anyone else dissected over 50% of all lifeforms? No? well then clearly none of that evidence is valid,  as the number of specimens is far too few, because that is how science works apparently.

You could always try sampling.

No. According to seival, that wouldn't be valid.

The problem with the OP's question is that it takes the ending. A contreversial subject to say the least according to the campaign that was launched because of it. And links it with the entire trilogy. All of it. Not the ending's of ME1 and 2 which would be the closest comparisons.

That said. This question is a valid one. Now that we have seen the ending of the ME3 and thus, the Shepard trilogy, does the way it ended alter how you perceive the previous two entries?

If this question were put to a statician then he or she would automatically say, how do you rate their perceptions? Do their perceptions of the individual games correlate to the initial perception asked of in the question? Do the players perceive the game as a whole or do they see elements making up a whole? What elements do they perceive? How do they rate those elements seperately and in conjunction with each other?

And so on and so forth. All of which, if data is collected, organised and analysed correctly, will give significant insight as to what the fans thought was good and was not a good feature in the game.

Modifié par Redbelle, 15 novembre 2012 - 08:47 .

[Seival]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

sure .. send emails to 10000 randomly selected mass effect 3 players and make a survey ...

at least 10% will send it back ... thats ok ... infratrest in germany asks 1000 people the "sonntagsfrage" - "which party would you vote for"-question.

despite only asking 1000 people, they are very accurate. maybe not by 1% but really close.


the disappointment on the endings was shown in a lot of polls on different websites. one poll was on germanys biggest newspapers webside (bild.de). the outcome was in the fashion of the bsn poll.

Sorry, but even 100000 real voters (even randomly selected) out of 3000000 total potential voters can't provide any accurate results. It's a gamble, and we can only hope those results will be any accurate. We have no way to prove if such results can be trusted at all...

...I wonder how many potential voters could be found on BSN. And how many of them would actually want to vote.

Modifié par Seival, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:19 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

sure .. send emails to 10000 randomly selected mass effect 3 players and make a survey ...

at least 10% will send it back ... thats ok ... infratrest in germany asks 1000 people the "sonntagsfrage" - "which party would you vote for"-question.

despite only asking 1000 people, they are very accurate. maybe not by 1% but really close.


the disappointment on the endings was shown in a lot of polls on different websites. one poll was on germanys biggest newspapers webside (bild.de). the outcome was in the fashion of the bsn poll.

Sorry, but even 100000 real voters (even randomly selected) out of 3000000 total potential voters can't provide any accurate results. It's a gamble, and we can only hope those results will be any accurate. We have no way to prove if the results can be trusted at all...

...I wonder how many potential voters could be found on BSN. And how many of them would actually want to vote.

Have you heard about sampling ? Dunno if you have such a thing in Russia, but here in Slovakia we got it for a 20 years since fall of curtain and most of the samples created for elections are pretty accurate.

[Seival]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

sure .. send emails to 10000 randomly selected mass effect 3 players and make a survey ...

at least 10% will send it back ... thats ok ... infratrest in germany asks 1000 people the "sonntagsfrage" - "which party would you vote for"-question.

despite only asking 1000 people, they are very accurate. maybe not by 1% but really close.


the disappointment on the endings was shown in a lot of polls on different websites. one poll was on germanys biggest newspapers webside (bild.de). the outcome was in the fashion of the bsn poll.

Sorry, but even 100000 real voters (even randomly selected) out of 3000000 total potential voters can't provide any accurate results. It's a gamble, and we can only hope those results will be any accurate. We have no way to prove if the results can be trusted at all...

...I wonder how many potential voters could be found on BSN. And how many of them would actually want to vote.

Have you heard about sampling ? Dunno if you have such a thing in Russia, but here in Slovakia we got it for a 20 years since fall of curtain and most of the samples created for elections are pretty accurate.

Maybe because both elections and samples were always fabricated by authorities? Politics is dirty business. In every country.

How can we be sure that each poll about ME3 ending wasn't sabotaged by some rival game developers? They could easily hire some "voters".

[Ultranovae]

I would say a 7/10
The only way to fix the endings I think would be to alter the nature of the reapers.
Make the much more unstoppable, much more horrifying and mysterious. And Shepard gets away too easily, make him have to chose between mankind and the rest of the species.
Also, I would like my choices from the second gme actually matter. (What the hell was the deal with the collector base and having a not mordin character?)

[ABCoLD]

Seival wrote...

Maybe because both elections and samples were always fabricated by authorities? Politics is dirty business. In every country.

How can we be sure that each poll about ME3 ending wasn't sabotaged by some rival game developers? They could easily hire some "voters".

You realize that statisticians and political analysts have refined this into a science, right?  You can't assume that because numbers don't agree with you that they're false.

For example, there's a site that was an aggregate of leading polls that was doing forecasts up until election day.  It had two maps for the US election one showed the electoral college, sans the states that were too close to call, the other showed states if the polling numbers were absolutely accurate.  Using aggregate polling that included surveys with sample sizes from 500 people to 1500 the second poll was absolutely accurate.  Ironically the man who lost the election forgo looking at national polls and chose to use his own biased numbers (based on what he knew was right) and got the math completely wrong.

[Applepie_Svk]

ABCoLD wrote...

Seival wrote...

Maybe because both elections and samples were always fabricated by authorities? Politics is dirty business. In every country.

How can we be sure that each poll about ME3 ending wasn't sabotaged by some rival game developers? They could easily hire some "voters".

You realize that statisticians and political analysts have refined this into a science, right?  You can't assume that because numbers don't agree with you that they're false.

For example, there's a site that was an aggregate of leading polls that was doing forecasts up until election day.  It had two maps for the US election one showed the electoral college, sans the states that were too close to call, the other showed states if the polling numbers were absolutely accurate.  Using aggregate polling that included surveys with sample sizes from 500 people to 1500 the second poll was absolutely accurate.  Ironically the man who lost the election forgo looking at national polls and chose to use his own biased numbers (based on what he knew was right) and got the math completely wrong.

So you are saying that someone, somewhere hired few thousands of people across the globe just to sabotage ME3... I would like to get paid for voicing my opinion through...

HAHAHAHAHA.... most of the people told you that OC suck even you were saying that... and EC suck for everyone which has at A: problem with bad writting at B: believe in IT, even despite the effort which BioWare put into EC their final execution ends like a mediocre attemtp to damage control, like big part of ME3. Some people like it, some accept it and others simply said meh this cannot erase that bad taste.

like it  =/= accept it

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:53 .

[ABCoLD]

I would say that I accept that the ending is the ending. It's not a good ending by any stretch, or even mediocre. From a technical, literary and emotional standpoint it fails.

So I gave it a 3/10

[ABCoLD]

On a sidenote, ME2's ending gets a 1/10. That giant reaper human thing was derpy.

[KingZayd]

Seival wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

sure .. send emails to 10000 randomly selected mass effect 3 players and make a survey ...

at least 10% will send it back ... thats ok ... infratrest in germany asks 1000 people the "sonntagsfrage" - "which party would you vote for"-question.

despite only asking 1000 people, they are very accurate. maybe not by 1% but really close.


the disappointment on the endings was shown in a lot of polls on different websites. one poll was on germanys biggest newspapers webside (bild.de). the outcome was in the fashion of the bsn poll.

Sorry, but even 100000 real voters (even randomly selected) out of 3000000 total potential voters can't provide any accurate results. It's a gamble, and we can only hope those results will be any accurate. We have no way to prove if the results can be trusted at all...

...I wonder how many potential voters could be found on BSN. And how many of them would actually want to vote.

Have you heard about sampling ? Dunno if you have such a thing in Russia, but here in Slovakia we got it for a 20 years since fall of curtain and most of the samples created for elections are pretty accurate.

Maybe because both elections and samples were always fabricated by authorities? Politics is dirty business. In every country.

How can we be sure that each poll about ME3 ending wasn't sabotaged by some rival game developers? They could easily hire some "voters".

Because they wouldn't have to. The ending sucked.

[Dr_Extrem]

Seival wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

sure .. send emails to 10000 randomly selected mass effect 3 players and make a survey ...

at least 10% will send it back ... thats ok ... infratrest in germany asks 1000 people the "sonntagsfrage" - "which party would you vote for"-question.

despite only asking 1000 people, they are very accurate. maybe not by 1% but really close.


the disappointment on the endings was shown in a lot of polls on different websites. one poll was on germanys biggest newspapers webside (bild.de). the outcome was in the fashion of the bsn poll.

Sorry, but even 100000 real voters (even randomly selected) out of 3000000 total potential voters can't provide any accurate results. It's a gamble, and we can only hope those results will be any accurate. We have no way to prove if such results can be trusted at all...

...I wonder how many potential voters could be found on BSN. And how many of them would actually want to vote.

hell  .... it works in germany ... what else can i say.

[Redbelle]

ABCoLD wrote...

On a sidenote, ME2's ending gets a 1/10. That giant reaper human thing was derpy.

Hey, at least you shot it dead. Right?

[AlanC9]

Sampling works great, if you can actually get a good sample. Can't do that here.

[IronSabbath88]

On the backs of ME1 and ME2. Both amazingly solid games. I still have a Mass Effect 2 poster in my room.

ME3, was solid up until a point (even with EC).

But I can't say the entire trilogy was terrible. So I settled on 7/10. Mostly due to the first two. ME3 contributes about 0.5 to 1 of that score in total I think.

[ABCoLD]

AlanC9 wrote...

Sampling works great, if you can actually get a good sample. Can't do that here.

I can't imagien you'd get a more accurate sampling elsewhere.

At least on the bioware forums you get people that like and play Bioware games, and by posting in this forum you get people that own the game.  So people here are checking in after eight some months because they're still playing or some such.  Or do you think that more than a 150 people who voted a 1 are multi-accounters so filled with rage that they have nothing to do all day other than skew numbers on an unofficial fan poll?

[ElSuperGecko]

10/10 for me. Any game that's continued to keep my interest, keep me thinking and keep me looking for answers and wanting more this long after completing it deserves the top score.

[Ciryx]

8/10

Very solid games, I was entertained.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

If you were to say pick a group of 10,000 people, you could randomly select 1200 out of them and get an accurate picture of that group. Then you have other issues: how to write your questions. You have to make sure your questions are not leading.

[BSpud]

Seival wrote...

Lol, WTF is this? This is on a whole new level, Seival. Wow!

[Maxster_]

ABCoLD wrote...

On a sidenote, ME2's ending gets a 1/10. That giant reaper human thing was derpy.

ME3 writing outdone that by orders of magnitude. Crucible, Cerberus, and then that glowy thing.
Also, ME3 completely nullifies it's prequels.

[ABCoLD]

Maxster_ wrote...

ABCoLD wrote...

On a sidenote, ME2's ending gets a 1/10. That giant reaper human thing was derpy.

ME3 writing outdone that by orders of magnitude. Crucible, Cerberus, and then that glowy thing.
Also, ME3 completely nullifies it's prequels.

ME2 had the problem of being an alright game up until that point.  Macky has a certin flair for just going DERP at the end though, doesn't he?

[Maxster_]

ABCoLD wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

ABCoLD wrote...

On a sidenote, ME2's ending gets a 1/10. That giant reaper human thing was derpy.

ME3 writing outdone that by orders of magnitude. Crucible, Cerberus, and then that glowy thing.
Also, ME3 completely nullifies it's prequels.

ME2 had the problem of being an alright game up until that point.  Macky has a certin flair for just going DERP at the end though, doesn't he?

You are saying this, as if Earth:intro never happened. Such massive retarded clowns show was something new in ME universe.
I'm not even saying about Crucible nonsense.

[ABCoLD]

I'm half thinking of starting a new poll, which newly introduced character were you least impressed with, James Vega, Kai Leng or Dianna Allers.