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[Redbelle]

ABCoLD wrote...

I'm half thinking of starting a new poll, which newly introduced character were you least impressed with, James Vega, Kai Leng or Dianna Allers.

Can you add to that poll into 'How much of the expanded universe with these characters are you aware of?"

I think Kai Leng is the only character to have been featured before ME3. And Vega's been given an extanded role outside of ME3.

The point is that these characters should not have to rely on previous reading of additional material on account that not everyone who plays the games reads the books or watches the anime. All of these mediums have to be able to support their characters intro's to that medium.

[Ultranovae]

To the ending I say bravo!
8 months layer and people ate still taking about it.
An epic success by far
200000000000/10

[tg0618]

I picked 8/10. I used to hate it, then the EC made it okay, and now after time has passed? I don't care about the ending anymore. I...just...don't...care. The reason why I still picked so high is because, I still play it. I still play ME1 and ME2 so I can "complete" my new Shepard's career in ME3. So if I really still didn't like the ending I wouldn't play it at all the away through multiple times (now on my fith Shepard, a female paragon adept).

When they come out with ME4 I will pre-order it, collector's edition, mid-night release, the whole sha-bang. Why? Because as bad as the endings once were, the ME universe is so deep and rich that I still want more.

[EnvyTB075]

ABCoLD wrote...

I'm half thinking of starting a new poll, which newly introduced character were you least impressed with, James Vega, Kai Leng or Dianna Allers.

Please don't.....

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Before EC: 2/10
After EC: 10/10

[SpamBot2000]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Before EC: 2/10
After EC: 10/10

Hater.

[Seival]

Ultranovae wrote...

To the ending I say bravo!
8 months layer and people ate still taking about it.
An epic success by far
200000000000/10

I'm sure we will still see debates about the ending even long after BioWare will release next ME game. Only truly good stories can provide such debate.

[cyrexwingblade]

Seival wrote...

Ultranovae wrote...

To the ending I say bravo!
8 months layer and people ate still taking about it.
An epic success by far
200000000000/10

I'm sure we will still see debates about the ending even long after BioWare will release next ME game. Only truly good stories can provide such debate.

Or very promising failures...

[Seival]

cyrexwingblade wrote...

Seival wrote...

Ultranovae wrote...

To the ending I say bravo!
8 months layer and people ate still taking about it.
An epic success by far
200000000000/10

I'm sure we will still see debates about the ending even long after BioWare will release next ME game. Only truly good stories can provide such debate.

Or very promising failures...

Long enough (and hard enough) debates only appear when some group finds the subject brilliant, and another group thinks that the subject is a failure, while both groups truly care about the subject. Only deep and instructive story can allow completely different approaches to its meaning, and keeps forcing people to talk about it...

...ME3 ending is simply one of the best achievements in the history of storytelling.

Modifié par Seival, 16 novembre 2012 - 09:23 .

[Dr_Extrem]

Seival wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

Seival wrote...

Ultranovae wrote...

To the ending I say bravo!
8 months layer and people ate still taking about it.
An epic success by far
200000000000/10

I'm sure we will still see debates about the ending even long after BioWare will release next ME game. Only truly good stories can provide such debate.

Or very promising failures...

Long enough (and hard enough) debates only appear when some group finds a subject brilliant, and another group thinks that a subject is a failure, while both groups truly care about a subject. Only deep and instructive story can allow completely different approaches to its meaning, and keeps forcing people to talk about it...

...ME3 ending is simply one of the best achievements in the history of storytelling.

well .. just because the majority of the anti enders has left this board, the ending doe not become a masterpiece.

letting your fans go away and make them stop caring, is not an achievement.

the only achievements the endings made, were to split the community, kill biowares reputation and to ignite a fire of hate and hopelessnes, that will burn on for years.

introducing a deus ex machina is the worst kind of story telling ever done.

[Seival]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

Seival wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

Seival wrote...

Ultranovae wrote...

To the ending I say bravo!
8 months layer and people ate still taking about it.
An epic success by far
200000000000/10

I'm sure we will still see debates about the ending even long after BioWare will release next ME game. Only truly good stories can provide such debate.

Or very promising failures...

Long enough (and hard enough) debates only appear when some group finds a subject brilliant, and another group thinks that a subject is a failure, while both groups truly care about a subject. Only deep and instructive story can allow completely different approaches to its meaning, and keeps forcing people to talk about it...

...ME3 ending is simply one of the best achievements in the history of storytelling.

well .. just because the majority of the anti enders has left this board, the ending doe not become a masterpiece.

letting your fans go away and make them stop caring, is not an achievement.

the only achievements the endings made, were to split the community, kill biowares reputation and to ignite a fire of hate and hopelessnes, that will burn on for years.

introducing a deus ex machina is the worst kind of story telling ever done.

Each community is splitted by default. People just need some reason to visualize this split. And there is nothing unnatural in that, while everyone stay calm and civil. But the problem is that not many people are able to stay calm and civil. And when such people see their rage can do nothing - they just leave.

BioWare reputation didn't suffer. In fact, all this overhyped pro-vs-anti debate and too vical discussions only provided ME3 with some free advertisement. It's in human nature to try something popular no matter how good are the reviews. Haters helped BioWare to increase Mass Effect fan base without even knowing about that... And for free

Modifié par Seival, 16 novembre 2012 - 09:43 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...

...BioWare reputation didn't suffer....

Good one, like always entertaining Seival...

[Redbelle]

Seival wrote...

Ultranovae wrote...

To the ending I say bravo!
8 months layer and people ate still taking about it.
An epic success by far
200000000000/10

I'm sure we will still see debates about the ending even long after BioWare will release next ME game. Only truly good stories can provide such debate.

Correction. Good stories with controversial elements are one way of generating debate.

[Redbelle]

Seival wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

Seival wrote...

Ultranovae wrote...

To the ending I say bravo!
8 months layer and people ate still taking about it.
An epic success by far
200000000000/10

I'm sure we will still see debates about the ending even long after BioWare will release next ME game. Only truly good stories can provide such debate.

Or very promising failures...

Long enough (and hard enough) debates only appear when some group finds the subject brilliant, and another group thinks that the subject is a failure, while both groups truly care about the subject. Only deep and instructive story can allow completely different approaches to its meaning, and keeps forcing people to talk about it...

...ME3 ending is simply one of the best achievements in the history of storytelling.

Like the ending to the Soprano's? Alot of people were hacked off that such a good series ended cut off in mid sentence.

Modifié par Redbelle, 16 novembre 2012 - 09:58 .

[KingZayd]

Seival wrote...

Ultranovae wrote...

To the ending I say bravo!
8 months layer and people ate still taking about it.
An epic success by far
200000000000/10

I'm sure we will still see debates about the ending even long after BioWare will release next ME game. Only truly good stories can provide such debate.

Not really. All it requires is enough of people experiencing the story, and some questions. The story itself doesn't really have to be good (as ME3 shows).

[Applepie_Svk]

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...
...ME3 ending is simply one of the best achievements in the history of storytelling.

Like the ending to the Soprano's? Alot of people were hacked off that such a good series ended cut off in mid sentence.

Mass Effect 3 ending is simply worst achievment what could storytelling in its history achieved... it´s simply crushed 5 years of journey and divide the fanbase to few directions - hate, love, iters... doesn´t matter, what´s matter is the fact that BioWare actually destroyed on of their IPs with this so called art.

OC - most of fanbase hate it - even you didn´t like it Seival so don´t try to avoid it...
ITers loved ending only in case that they literally never happened
And there was just little part of fans which loved endings in their literal form, but who knows exactly why ?

EC - they create only as a damage control because they thought that after month fans will shut up, but they were wrong, fans were ****ing and they are still ****ing about such a crap like endings. Despite that EC provide for some fans sattisfaction for others provide nothing more then cheap attempt to fix broken ending and there is the difference betwen the fans which were looking for slideshow and so called closure and betwen those fans which had a problem with one little atrocity which have successfuly ruined whole franchise - catalyst...
And I feel sorry for all those destroy supporters which were left behind like some kind of second class citizens with Shepard in rubble... 

Someone mentioned it before, that this so called art and artistic integrity are responsibile for such a guys like you Seival, either this or you are just a internet troll...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 16 novembre 2012 - 10:14 .

[drayfish]

Seival wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

Seival wrote...

Ultranovae wrote...

To the ending I say bravo!
8 months layer and people ate still taking about it.
An epic success by far
200000000000/10

I'm sure we will still see debates about the ending even long after BioWare will release next ME game. Only truly good stories can provide such debate.

Or very promising failures...

Long enough (and hard enough) debates only appear when some group finds the subject brilliant, and another group thinks that the subject is a failure, while both groups truly care about the subject. Only deep and instructive story can allow completely different approaches to its meaning, and keeps forcing people to talk about it...

...ME3 ending is simply one of the best achievements in the history of storytelling.

Twilight has a loyal fan base that vehemently defend their fiction as literature no matter how many people tell them it is turgid, ill-crafted (oddly mysogynistic) mush.

...And considering that you have struggled to read the work of Harry Harrison coherently, and see the Mass Effect series as a series-wide endorsement of totalitarianism and the need for racial re-engineering, I'm not sure how much critical thinking has gone into your interpretation of these endings anyway.

[Redbelle]

I'm curious. Seiv has admitted several times that he hated the ending. Yet in all the discussions over the threads he's never admitted to what he hated about the 3 endings before the ECDLC. Does he remember what caused those feelings and can he critically dissect the themes he disagreed with at the time?

[KingZayd]

Redbelle wrote...

I'm curious. Seiv has admitted several times that he hated the ending. Yet in all the discussions over the threads he's never admitted to what he hated about the 3 endings before the ECDLC. Does he remember what caused those feelings and can he critically dissect the themes he disagreed with at the time?

Really? I remember his control and normandy support threads before the EC was released. He seemed to like the endings then.

[Redbelle]

KingZayd wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

I'm curious. Seiv has admitted several times that he hated the ending. Yet in all the discussions over the threads he's never admitted to what he hated about the 3 endings before the ECDLC. Does he remember what caused those feelings and can he critically dissect the themes he disagreed with at the time?

Really? I remember his control and normandy support threads before the EC was released. He seemed to like the endings then.

He once stated that he was a hater and then he saw the right way to see the ending and he could help us all do the same.

As such, as a self confessed one time hater, he should be able to think back to that time and tease out the reasons why the ending's did not tickle his inner catalyst. It's an important point because without knowing how he saw the endings then, it is difficult to reconcile how his change of heart came about so forcefully and suddenly. I say that as Seiv has never indicated the time frame of his transitition as well as his reasons for his intitial disapproval of how 2 locked in writers ended his Shepard.

In short. We've never heard his subjective view of before and after.

Modifié par Redbelle, 16 novembre 2012 - 10:41 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Redbelle wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

I'm curious. Seiv has admitted several times that he hated the ending. Yet in all the discussions over the threads he's never admitted to what he hated about the 3 endings before the ECDLC. Does he remember what caused those feelings and can he critically dissect the themes he disagreed with at the time?

Really? I remember his control and normandy support threads before the EC was released. He seemed to like the endings then.

He once stated that he was a hater and then he saw the right way to see the ending and he could help us all do the same.

As such, as a self confessed one time hater, he should be able to think back to that time and tease out the reasons why the ending's did not tickle his inner catalyst. It's an important point because without knowing how he saw the endings then, it is difficult to reconcile how his change of heart came about so forcefully and suddenly. I say that as Seiv has never indicated the time frame of his transitition as well as his reasons for his intitial disapproval of how 2 locked in writers ended his Shepard.

In short. We've never heard his subjective view of before and after.

Something similiar said TIM few minutes before I blew his head off...

[Dr_Extrem]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

I'm curious. Seiv has admitted several times that he hated the ending. Yet in all the discussions over the threads he's never admitted to what he hated about the 3 endings before the ECDLC. Does he remember what caused those feelings and can he critically dissect the themes he disagreed with at the time?

Really? I remember his control and normandy support threads before the EC was released. He seemed to like the endings then.

He once stated that he was a hater and then he saw the right way to see the ending and he could help us all do the same.

As such, as a self confessed one time hater, he should be able to think back to that time and tease out the reasons why the ending's did not tickle his inner catalyst. It's an important point because without knowing how he saw the endings then, it is difficult to reconcile how his change of heart came about so forcefully and suddenly. I say that as Seiv has never indicated the time frame of his transitition as well as his reasons for his intitial disapproval of how 2 locked in writers ended his Shepard.

In short. We've never heard his subjective view of before and after.

Something similiar said TIM few minutes before I blew his head off...

implications *grasp* messy.

[Seival]

Redbelle wrote...

I'm curious. Seiv has admitted several times that he hated the ending. Yet in all the discussions over the threads he's never admitted to what he hated about the 3 endings before the ECDLC. Does he remember what caused those feelings and can he critically dissect the themes he disagreed with at the time?

I've already told why in some other thread, and I don't want to repeat myself here. The reasons to dislike the ending were silly. The problem was in me, not in the ending. And I came to that conclusion before EC release.

Modifié par Seival, 16 novembre 2012 - 10:53 .

[Cadeym]

The ending to ME3 was fantastic...
...... if only DA:O had a similar ending.
Archdemon: "You have choice, more than you know... pick a colour! "

Protagonist: "What have you been smoking... i'm here to chop your head off!"

Archdemon: "Door number 1" ...... "You can choose to destroy us.... but that will also kill all the elves... and ofcourse yourself... even though your a human."
Protagonist: ""

Archdemon: "Door number 2!!" .... "You can choose to merge all living beings into a different framework.... all you have to do is jump off the side of the tower....."
Protagonist: "Thats ****ing stupid... i'm not jumping off the tower. Besides who in their right mind would want to be part hurlok!?... or part broodmother... "

Archdemon: "Door number 3" .... "You can choose to control us.... you just have to grap those two metal objects and i'm going to send a massive electrical current through them... effectively frying your brain."
Protagonist: "Are you for real??..... how stupid do you think I am!"

[Redbelle]

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

I'm curious. Seiv has admitted several times that he hated the ending. Yet in all the discussions over the threads he's never admitted to what he hated about the 3 endings before the ECDLC. Does he remember what caused those feelings and can he critically dissect the themes he disagreed with at the time?

I already told why in some other thread, and don't want to repeat myself here. The reasons to dislike the ending were silly. The problem was in me, not in the ending. And I came to that conclusion before EC release.

Sorry, but why silly? You have not identified what it was you didn't like. Nor have you critically assessed your dislike to explain why you didn't like it, or explained the change of heart that made you alter that view.

Many people in your thread's cannot see your POV when you talk about how you came to like the end game of ME3. The before stage and the transition stage are therefore important to explaining what your new perspective is, and how it came about.

It hardly seems fair that in a thread about subjective views you hide yours. I'm sure alot of people are curious about your journey from end hating to end loving and want to hear it in detail.