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[Redbelle]

Mouseraider wrote...

The ending to ME3 was fantastic...
...... if only DA:O had a similar ending.
Archdemon: "You have choice, more than you know... pick a colour! "

Protagonist: "What have you been smoking... i'm here to chop your head off!"

Archdemon: "Door number 1" ...... "You can choose to destroy us.... but that will also kill all the elves... and ofcourse yourself... even though your a human."
Protagonist: ""

Archdemon: "Door number 2!!" .... "You can choose to merge all living beings into a different framework.... all you have to do is jump off the side of the tower....."
Protagonist: "Thats ****ing stupid... i'm not jumping off the tower. Besides who in their right mind would want to be part hurlok!?... or part broodmother... "

Archdemon: "Door number 3" .... "You can choose to control us.... you just have to grap those two metal objects and i'm going to send a massive electrical current through them... effectively frying your brain."
Protagonist: "Are you for real??..... how stupid do you think I am!"

Archdemon: The answer to that question is behind door number 4. You can choose to do nothing. You make a speech about doing nothing if you like. But after that, we win.

Protagonist: But I've raised the largest army in known history against you! Their's has never been a larger or more deadly assembly of warriors bent on sending you back to the underoads!

Archdemon: Yes, and they look very nice. But we still win because you do nothing and doing nothing means we get to kill you.

Protagonist: But I haven't been doing nothing! I've assembled the largest army........

Archdemon: Yes you said that already and the answer is still the same. We win.

Protagonist: Answer? I never asked a questio..........

Archdemon: We win. <sticks toungue out> Nah, nah, nahnah, nah.

Modifié par Redbelle, 16 novembre 2012 - 11:03 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Mouseraider wrote...

The ending to ME3 was fantastic...
...... if only DA:O had a similar ending.
Archdemon: "You have choice, more than you know... pick a colour! "

Protagonist: "What have you been smoking... i'm here to chop your head off!"

Archdemon: "Door number 1" ...... "You can choose to destroy us.... but that will also kill all the elves... and ofcourse yourself... even though your a human."
Protagonist: ""

Archdemon: "Door number 2!!" .... "You can choose to merge all living beings into a different framework.... all you have to do is jump off the side of the tower....."
Protagonist: "Thats ****ing stupid... i'm not jumping off the tower. Besides who in their right mind would want to be part hurlok!?... or part broodmother... "

Archdemon: "Door number 3" .... "You can choose to control us.... you just have to grap those two metal objects and i'm going to send a massive electrical current through them... effectively frying your brain."
Protagonist: "Are you for real??..... how stupid do you think I am!"

*slow clap*
:happy:

[Seival]

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

I'm curious. Seiv has admitted several times that he hated the ending. Yet in all the discussions over the threads he's never admitted to what he hated about the 3 endings before the ECDLC. Does he remember what caused those feelings and can he critically dissect the themes he disagreed with at the time?

I already told why in some other thread, and don't want to repeat myself here. The reasons to dislike the ending were silly. The problem was in me, not in the ending. And I came to that conclusion before EC release.

Sorry, but why silly? You have not identified what it was you didn't like. Nor have you critically assessed your dislike to explain why you didn't like it, or explained the change of heart that made you alter that view.

Many people in your thread's cannot see your POV when you talk about how you came to like the end game of ME3. The before stage and the transition stage are therefore important to explaining what your new perspective is, and how it came about.

It hardly seems fair that in a thread about subjective views you hide yours. I'm sure alot of people are curious about your journey from end hating to end loving and want to hear it in detail.

I came to the conclusion that the ending is brilliant eventually, and this is all that matters...

...But if you are really curious, then look for some details in my previous threads. This thread wasn't created for such discussions.

[Redbelle]

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

I'm curious. Seiv has admitted several times that he hated the ending. Yet in all the discussions over the threads he's never admitted to what he hated about the 3 endings before the ECDLC. Does he remember what caused those feelings and can he critically dissect the themes he disagreed with at the time?

I already told why in some other thread, and don't want to repeat myself here. The reasons to dislike the ending were silly. The problem was in me, not in the ending. And I came to that conclusion before EC release.

Sorry, but why silly? You have not identified what it was you didn't like. Nor have you critically assessed your dislike to explain why you didn't like it, or explained the change of heart that made you alter that view.

Many people in your thread's cannot see your POV when you talk about how you came to like the end game of ME3. The before stage and the transition stage are therefore important to explaining what your new perspective is, and how it came about.

It hardly seems fair that in a thread about subjective views you hide yours. I'm sure alot of people are curious about your journey from end hating to end loving and want to hear it in detail.

I came to the conclusion that the ending is brilliant eventually, and this is all that matters...

...But if you are really curious, then look for some details in my previous threads. This thread wasn't created for such discussions.

You created the thread to discuss subjective views and yet your view regarding the ending is clearly complicated. As such it is surely one that requires much discussion. Yet no such discussion can take place without details.

Saying that you came to the conclusion that the ending is brilliant and that's all taht matters is hardly what you can call a subjective assessment of how good the ending was. And that is the purpose of this thread. It's what you called it after all.

So when will you be joining in the discussion by telling others what you saw in the ending's both before and after you decided you hated the endings and loved the endings?

Many people are no doubt curious as to what your subjective views are on the issue you raised.

[drayfish]

Redbelle wrote...

[Seival] once stated that he was a hater and then he saw the right way to see the ending and he could help us all do the same.

As such, as a self confessed one time hater, he should be able to think back to that time and tease out the reasons why the ending's did not tickle his inner catalyst. It's an important point because without knowing how he saw the endings then, it is difficult to reconcile how his change of heart came about so forcefully and suddenly. I say that as Seiv has never indicated the time frame of his transitition as well as his reasons for his intitial disapproval of how 2 locked in writers ended his Shepard.

In short. We've never heard his subjective view of before and after.

Seival wrote...

Stockholm Syndrome.

Stock·holm syndrome:
n. A phenomenon in which a hostage begins to identify with and grow sympathetic to his or her captor.
(The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary)

 

[Asharad Hett]

Seival wrote...

I came to the conclusion that the ending is brilliant eventually, and this is all that matters...

Those comments remind me of TIM.

[Anti-killer]

Huh, so ripping off other games is Brilliant and Artisitc?

what a world.

[Seival]

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

I'm curious. Seiv has admitted several times that he hated the ending. Yet in all the discussions over the threads he's never admitted to what he hated about the 3 endings before the ECDLC. Does he remember what caused those feelings and can he critically dissect the themes he disagreed with at the time?

I already told why in some other thread, and don't want to repeat myself here. The reasons to dislike the ending were silly. The problem was in me, not in the ending. And I came to that conclusion before EC release.

Sorry, but why silly? You have not identified what it was you didn't like. Nor have you critically assessed your dislike to explain why you didn't like it, or explained the change of heart that made you alter that view.

Many people in your thread's cannot see your POV when you talk about how you came to like the end game of ME3. The before stage and the transition stage are therefore important to explaining what your new perspective is, and how it came about.

It hardly seems fair that in a thread about subjective views you hide yours. I'm sure alot of people are curious about your journey from end hating to end loving and want to hear it in detail.

I came to the conclusion that the ending is brilliant eventually, and this is all that matters...

...But if you are really curious, then look for some details in my previous threads. This thread wasn't created for such discussions.

You created the thread to discuss subjective views and yet your view regarding the ending is clearly complicated. As such it is surely one that requires much discussion. Yet no such discussion can take place without details.

Saying that you came to the conclusion that the ending is brilliant and that's all taht matters is hardly what you can call a subjective assessment of how good the ending was. And that is the purpose of this thread. It's what you called it after all.

So when will you be joining in the discussion by telling others what you saw in the ending's both before and after you decided you hated the endings and loved the endings?

Many people are no doubt curious as to what your subjective views are on the issue you raised.

Ok, I'll remind you a short version... Initially I was confused because: I wanted to win without paying a price. I wanted my Shepard to survive no matter the choice I made. I considered the original Catalyst's solution as insane... My initial thoughts were too naive and too short-sighted. That's why I changed my mind, and performed an attempt to understand the ending. And the attempt was successful. All I needed is to relax and think.

...Now let's hope that moderators will not decide that we began fighting.

And to prevent your next question about "how good would be your personal rating of the ending initially":
 - Before the understanding: 5/10.
 - After the understanding, but before EC release: 9/10.
 - After EC release: 10/10.
 - After Leviathan release: 10/10.

Are you satisfied with that answer?

[Eterna]

Why can't we just let Seival like what he likes and leave it at that?

He think it is brilliant, some of you don't. Who cares.

[Redbelle]

I think we've made a positive start.

I can understand, though I disagree with, the idea that no sacrifice should be made. Some of the best melodrama's have the hero who sacrifice's himself for an ideal, a cause. One grand noble gesture in the good fight against insurmountable odds............ Seems to fit the situation Shepard finds himself in to a tee. but that's not what interests me.

You say you initially thought the Catalyst's solution was insane.

Many forumites have already stated what, about the catalyst's train of logic, they reject which beg's the question.

What element/elements about his solution did you had a fundamental disagreement with at the time?

Modifié par Redbelle, 17 novembre 2012 - 12:32 .

[Redbelle]

Eterna5 wrote...

Why can't we just let Seival like what he likes and leave it at that?

He think it is brilliant, some of you don't. Who cares.

Seiv's said he's had time to think about this. So by taking his reaction and thought process from start to where he has arrived at now we may yet understand his position on how he came to like the ending's, and his view on what they represent. After all, the journey is just as important as the destination.

[Armass81]

its acceptable.

[ld1449]

Eterna5 wrote...

Why can't we just let Seival like what he likes and leave it at that?

He think it is brilliant, some of you don't. Who cares.

We should all follow your example regarding those who dislike the ending then?

No?

What's good for the geese is good for the gander as they say.

[Mathias]

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

I'm curious. Seiv has admitted several times that he hated the ending. Yet in all the discussions over the threads he's never admitted to what he hated about the 3 endings before the ECDLC. Does he remember what caused those feelings and can he critically dissect the themes he disagreed with at the time?

I already told why in some other thread, and don't want to repeat myself here. The reasons to dislike the ending were silly. The problem was in me, not in the ending. And I came to that conclusion before EC release.

Sorry, but why silly? You have not identified what it was you didn't like. Nor have you critically assessed your dislike to explain why you didn't like it, or explained the change of heart that made you alter that view.

Many people in your thread's cannot see your POV when you talk about how you came to like the end game of ME3. The before stage and the transition stage are therefore important to explaining what your new perspective is, and how it came about.

It hardly seems fair that in a thread about subjective views you hide yours. I'm sure alot of people are curious about your journey from end hating to end loving and want to hear it in detail.

I came to the conclusion that the ending is brilliant eventually, and this is all that matters...

...But if you are really curious, then look for some details in my previous threads. This thread wasn't created for such discussions.

Ending is brilliant eventually?

How about an ending that's good right off the bat?

[Seival]

Redbelle wrote...

I think we've made a start.

I can understand, though I disagree with, the idea that no sacrifice should be made. Some of the best melodrama's have the hero who sacrifice's himself for an ideal, a cause. One grand noble gesture in the good fight against insurmountable odds............ Seems to fit the situation Shepard finds himself in to a tee. but that's not what interests me.

You say you initially thought the Catalyst's solution was insane.

Many forumites have already stated what, about the catalyst's train of logic, they reject which beg's the question.

What element/elements about his solution did you had a fundamental disagreement with at the time?

Remember "Ethical Engineer" discussion?
http://social.biowar.../index/14861085

The reason for initial disagreement with the Catalyst's solution was pretty silly. I was confused, and so just forgot to analyze what the Catalyst said from different points of view...

In "our ethos" the Catalyst's solution looks unethical. But there are no universal ethical rules. Leviathans have their own ethos, and so does the Catalyst. It presumes that life is much more important than lives, and considers turning both organics and synthetics into the Reapers to let new young lives to flourish, as saving the life. And it works as an effective temporary solution, even through we don't like the method.

It's obvious that prior to Cycled Harvests the Catalyst tried all other possible solutions. Catalyst even told us about that. Each previous solution ended in devastating war. Peace can't last forever. Artificial borders can stand only temporary. Permanent solution required something that Catalyst didn't have before. And organic-vs-synthetic problem turned more and more habitable worlds into a lifeless stones. So "Cycled Harvests till I find what I'm looking for to apply the permanent solution" makes sense. Catalyst never turned entire planets into a lifeless stones, only lesser races did that. Remember Tuchanka? It almost reached the "lifeless stone state" even without synthetic help...

...But I didn't thought about all of this initially, and that was my fault, not BioWare's. Last 15 minutes of the game are brilliant. They just require proper understanding.

Modifié par Seival, 17 novembre 2012 - 01:18 .

[Cadeym]

Extended cut or not, the catalyst's logic is still flawed.

My opinion of the game stays the same, simply because the logic of the catalyst hasn't changed.


Without the reapers to prevent it, the synthetics would kill all organic life. This statement is false since it doesn't contain factual data. Synthetics might very well kill all sentient organic beings, but the catalyst claims that all organic life would die, and there is no proof of that.

All synthetics will eventually rebell against their creators, and therefore synthetic beings have to be destroyed. The catalyst was created by the levaiathan(s) which it then proceeded to kill. Without all life having been eradicated atleast once before, then it all comes down to the amount of organics that have been killed. The reapers obviously having killed more than any other synthetic creation. Logic demands that the catalyst kills itself aswell as the reapers to prevent it from violating it's main objective which is to prevent synthetics and organics going to war with eachother.

[Hurbster]

1/10 - Original
2/10 - EC

An insult to be honest. What a way to end a trilogy of good games. I was so disappointed.

[Capt. Pancake]

I think because I was expecting a heroic ending filled with victory and satisfaction, I was sorely disappointed. Over all still very much enjoyed the game.  I will keep hopeful for future things.

[Seival]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

I'm curious. Seiv has admitted several times that he hated the ending. Yet in all the discussions over the threads he's never admitted to what he hated about the 3 endings before the ECDLC. Does he remember what caused those feelings and can he critically dissect the themes he disagreed with at the time?

I already told why in some other thread, and don't want to repeat myself here. The reasons to dislike the ending were silly. The problem was in me, not in the ending. And I came to that conclusion before EC release.

Sorry, but why silly? You have not identified what it was you didn't like. Nor have you critically assessed your dislike to explain why you didn't like it, or explained the change of heart that made you alter that view.

Many people in your thread's cannot see your POV when you talk about how you came to like the end game of ME3. The before stage and the transition stage are therefore important to explaining what your new perspective is, and how it came about.

It hardly seems fair that in a thread about subjective views you hide yours. I'm sure alot of people are curious about your journey from end hating to end loving and want to hear it in detail.

I came to the conclusion that the ending is brilliant eventually, and this is all that matters...

...But if you are really curious, then look for some details in my previous threads. This thread wasn't created for such discussions.

Ending is brilliant eventually?

How about an ending that's good right off the bat?

Many people understood that the ending is brilliant initially, but I required some time to process it...

...At least I managed to accept and understand the ending before EC release. And I'm really proud of it

[Mathias]

Seival wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Seival wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

I'm curious. Seiv has admitted several times that he hated the ending. Yet in all the discussions over the threads he's never admitted to what he hated about the 3 endings before the ECDLC. Does he remember what caused those feelings and can he critically dissect the themes he disagreed with at the time?

I already told why in some other thread, and don't want to repeat myself here. The reasons to dislike the ending were silly. The problem was in me, not in the ending. And I came to that conclusion before EC release.

Sorry, but why silly? You have not identified what it was you didn't like. Nor have you critically assessed your dislike to explain why you didn't like it, or explained the change of heart that made you alter that view.

Many people in your thread's cannot see your POV when you talk about how you came to like the end game of ME3. The before stage and the transition stage are therefore important to explaining what your new perspective is, and how it came about.

It hardly seems fair that in a thread about subjective views you hide yours. I'm sure alot of people are curious about your journey from end hating to end loving and want to hear it in detail.

I came to the conclusion that the ending is brilliant eventually, and this is all that matters...

...But if you are really curious, then look for some details in my previous threads. This thread wasn't created for such discussions.

Ending is brilliant eventually?

How about an ending that's good right off the bat?

Many people understood that the ending is brilliant initially, but I required some time to process it...

...At least I managed to accept and understand the ending before EC release. And I'm really proud of it

The more i understood the ending, the more i hated it.

[Dubozz]

wow, eight months after release and poll speaks for itself.

[Lazengan]

1 was good, felt like an amazing fusion of rpg, shooter, and story

2 was good, though it felt like an interactive movie at times, overall I enjoyed the playthrough.

3 was terribad, and the entire thing is a mess from the beginning.You can tell how Bioware was no longer the company it once was with this product. No choices, bad dialogue, linear storypaths, terrible story, lines are garbage you would hear from a B-movie about "teh horros of war", hilarious attempts of portraying post traumatic stress and dream sequences that garbage like call of duty would pull off.

Though multiplayer was excellent and I would say the best video game in the entire series

[Seival]

Dubozz wrote...

wow, eight months after release and poll speaks for itself.

It speaks about very interesting things. Even inflexible disliker would never rate ME3 ending for less than 3/10. So we can see how many trolls voted. I think anything less than 3/10 can't be taken seriously (that was just a nice trap for trolls), but this is of course just my personal point of view...

...Also, there are still too few votes to make any final conclusions.

Modifié par Seival, 17 novembre 2012 - 01:35 .

[Dubozz]

I'm sure this poll is not about score for the ending but about overal feelings about it. Hater you or not I don't think you would spend five minutes to figure "is it 6 or 7".

[shepskisaac]

After EC it's decent.