Xilizhra wrote...
Meh. I personally enjoy the romance focus; familial relationships are hard to implement, and I consider a lot of the superdeep friendship ideas to be overrated.
Emzamination wrote...
I'm describing how I felt to reflect the type of Pc to character bond I hope to see in game.The character is not the point of this thread, it's that feeling that matters.
fchopin wrote...
Emzamination wrote...
I'm describing how I felt to reflect the type of Pc to character bond I hope to see in game.The character is not the point of this thread, it's that feeling that matters.
For the feeling to exist the option has to be available for your character and an NPC.
Emzamination wrote...
fchopin wrote...
Emzamination wrote...
I'm describing how I felt to reflect the type of Pc to character bond I hope to see in game.The character is not the point of this thread, it's that feeling that matters.
For the feeling to exist the option has to be available for your character and an NPC.
Option?
fchopin wrote...
Emzamination wrote...
fchopin wrote...
Emzamination wrote...
I'm describing how I felt to reflect the type of Pc to character bond I hope to see in game.The character is not the point of this thread, it's that feeling that matters.
For the feeling to exist the option has to be available for your character and an NPC.
Option?
To have a shared feeling the option has to be available for player character and NPC or it will not work.
If it's friendship then it needs two people.
Modifié par Emzamination, 15 novembre 2012 - 01:22 .
Personally, I feel DA2's friendships did this well enough already.Emzamination wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Meh. I personally enjoy the romance focus; familial relationships are hard to implement, and I consider a lot of the superdeep friendship ideas to be overrated.
There is enough focus on romance xilizhra to keep romantics sated. It's time to branch out and focus on other relationships as well like hobbit pointed out earlier in the thread.
Xilizhra wrote...
Personally, I feel DA2's friendships did this well enough already.Emzamination wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Meh. I personally enjoy the romance focus; familial relationships are hard to implement, and I consider a lot of the superdeep friendship ideas to be overrated.
There is enough focus on romance xilizhra to keep romantics sated. It's time to branch out and focus on other relationships as well like hobbit pointed out earlier in the thread.
Modifié par Emzamination, 15 novembre 2012 - 01:32 .
Wait, when does she do that? I remember "It's oddly comforting how you insult me like I'm family," but I don't think that counts. Also, I don't quite get the completely platonic sisterhood thing, but then, I'm lesbian.How so? The extent of every friendship was just that in game, headcanons aside.Aveline could've filled that sisterhood role but she constantly goes out of her way to tell hawke to keep out of her business regarding her feelings and even flat out tells carver to stop acting like she's one of the family.
Mystch3vi0us wrote...
I should be use to all the fawning over Morigan, but it still makes my skin crawl. Look after playing the game and watching my friends play the game (a combined 6 playthroughs) I loath her to no end. Her writing is inconsistent and her personality is grating. Morigan's dialogue outside of camp or if you aren't romancing her are blatant "I'm evil god is fake and you dumb for believing in him" statements every time you turn around. Shocking that a theist would be irritated with a character/person who spouts this nonsense nonstop with nothing other than that to define her.
Now if you try to befriend her she (I swear she's written by a different person) comes off a lot more human, for lack of a better word. Even then she's still a selfish self serving ****.
Aside from the Morigan hate, a couple of things bother me about your statements. Most (not all) of the characters have a great deal of depth to them. And they are far more consistant. At least in DA;O in DA:2 I would say Bethany/Carver, Anders, and the city guard woman (can't remember her name.) were well written. The others I just didn't care about. Even Isabella who I knew they wanted me to care about I never did. Meh. This has gotten incoherent so I'll stop now.
Twisted Path wrote...
I didn't see anything profound or complex about Morrigan. She just seemed like the token evil companion who constantly complained when you didn't murder people and eat their souls for fun and profit.
Modifié par secretsandlies, 15 novembre 2012 - 02:20 .
Xilizhra wrote...
Wait, when does she do that? I remember "It's oddly comforting how you insult me like I'm family," but I don't think that counts. Also, I don't quite get the completely platonic sisterhood thing, but then, I'm lesbian.How so? The extent of every friendship was just that in game, headcanons aside.Aveline could've filled that sisterhood role but she constantly goes out of her way to tell hawke to keep out of her business regarding her feelings and even flat out tells carver to stop acting like she's one of the family.
Modifié par Emzamination, 15 novembre 2012 - 01:46 .
Hmmm. I won't discount you, but... I honestly do feel I got that already with Aveline by the end of the game, and with Isabela to a lesser extent.Emzamination wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Wait, when does she do that? I remember "It's oddly comforting how you insult me like I'm family," but I don't think that counts. Also, I don't quite get the completely platonic sisterhood thing, but then, I'm lesbian.How so? The extent of every friendship was just that in game, headcanons aside.Aveline could've filled that sisterhood role but she constantly goes out of her way to tell hawke to keep out of her business regarding her feelings and even flat out tells carver to stop acting like she's one of the family.
Of course it counts as it shows she doesn't think of herself as family.
A strong sisterhood can be just as powerful as a passionate love affair.
Xilizhra wrote...
Hmmm. I won't discount you, but... I honestly do feel I got that already with Aveline by the end of the game, and with Isabela to a lesser extent.Emzamination wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Wait, when does she do that? I remember "It's oddly comforting how you insult me like I'm family," but I don't think that counts. Also, I don't quite get the completely platonic sisterhood thing, but then, I'm lesbian.How so? The extent of every friendship was just that in game, headcanons aside.Aveline could've filled that sisterhood role but she constantly goes out of her way to tell hawke to keep out of her business regarding her feelings and even flat out tells carver to stop acting like she's one of the family.
Of course it counts as it shows she doesn't think of herself as family.
A strong sisterhood can be just as powerful as a passionate love affair.
KNIGHTMARE170 wrote...
This was meant to be in the game, but never made it. It would play if a female Warden romanced Alistair, happening right after the truth on why a grey warden has to kill the arch-demon. I know most people have already read it, but it doesn't hurt to see just how much better DA:O characters are.
http://blog.bioware....velation-comic/
Modifié par Emzamination, 15 novembre 2012 - 02:01 .
Emzamination wrote...
Pseudocognition wrote...
Why can't something be "shallow" and still fulfilling?
What a contradiction that is. Shallow by its very nature is superficial and lacks anything tangible emotional or otherwise one might indulge.How can you become fulfilled on a connection that's hardly there?I thought the relationship one of my Hawkes had with Isabela was quite shallow. F*** buddies is not "deep" in the way you want. But it showed a lot about both of their characters that they could simply be f*** buddies and I valued that part of the game, the peripheral knowledge that although Isabela hasn't got much of a reason to stick around, she still fools around with Hawke on the side for funsies.
O'rly? (4:00-4:50) Seems isabela didn't appreciate your shallow sexcapades as much as you think and wanted something deeper.All I am championing is good writing, and a character need not have a profoundly deep or meaningful relationship with the PC to be a well written, well-developed character.
No you're championing uninteresting and dull characteristics. eraltgay is also a character with shallow relationships. His friends with benefits relationships with risstay & co are about as deep and amusing as a wet piece of piece of tissue paper.What the heck is a "shallow steak?"
A steak with no depth. what else could it be?
Modifié par Pseudocognition, 15 novembre 2012 - 02:13 .
Pseudocognition wrote...
Emzamination wrote...
Pseudocognition wrote...
Why can't something be "shallow" and still fulfilling?
What a contradiction that is. Shallow by its very nature is superficial and lacks anything tangible emotional or otherwise one might indulge.How can you become fulfilled on a connection that's hardly there?I thought the relationship one of my Hawkes had with Isabela was quite shallow. F*** buddies is not "deep" in the way you want. But it showed a lot about both of their characters that they could simply be f*** buddies and I valued that part of the game, the peripheral knowledge that although Isabela hasn't got much of a reason to stick around, she still fools around with Hawke on the side for funsies.
O'rly? (4:00-4:50) Seems isabela didn't appreciate your shallow sexcapades as much as you think and wanted something deeper.All I am championing is good writing, and a character need not have a profoundly deep or meaningful relationship with the PC to be a well written, well-developed character.
No you're championing uninteresting and dull characteristics. eraltgay is also a character with shallow relationships. His friends with benefits relationships with risstay & co are about as deep and amusing as a wet piece of piece of tissue paper.What the heck is a "shallow steak?"
A steak with no depth. what else could it be?
Someday you should just start a thread saying "I don't like this, give me more of what I want, and I will redefine terms to suit my argument and broaden the goalposts until I think I win."
You are switching back and forth between arguing about character's personalities and a character's relationship with the player character as it suits you.
Isabela is a deep character. Regardless of what she wanted out of it, my Hawke's relationship with her was shallow. I found this arrangement was a compelling and interesting part of my Hawke's story. Shallow relationship does not equal shallow character, you are putting words in my mouth and confusing the issue.
Emzamination wrote...
No my dear, you were just ignorant of what your relationship with isabela truly amounted to, which is nothing.
Emzamination wrote...
Tsk tsk tsk sensing some immaturity there
How so? because I pointed out that isabela wasn't as into the relationship as you were? A relationship is a two way thing you know.
No my dear, you were just ignorant of what your relationship with isabela truly amounted to, which is nothing.
Uhh.. Jonah wrote...
I completely and wholly agree with you, OP. For once.
Upsettingshorts wrote...
Uhh.. Jonah wrote...
I completely and wholly agree with you, OP. For once.
My favorite part was where she missed the point of Morrigan's character entirely.
*poof*
Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 novembre 2012 - 02:34 .
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