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[SupidSeep]

capn233 wrote...

If only there were mods or ammo to increase the GPR's damage versus armor.

There are such mods, unless you are so unlucky to miss them

AP mod's 65% armor reduction has limited benefit since the GPR's damage is so low already, but HVB reduces armor effect by 90%.

The GPR is also so light that HVB's weight penalty doesn't hit too hard.  My Geth Eng is running with only a GPR + HVB recently on a few Gold games and with a Damage and Capacity in his passive he still gets +160% cooldown.

[DullahansXMark]

I don't like either weapon, so whatever.

Hell, I've got no use for my Harrier now, thanks to my recently-obtained Particle Rifle.

[DullahansXMark]

SupidSeep wrote...

capn233 wrote...

If only there were mods or ammo to increase the GPR's damage versus armor.

There are such mods, unless you are so unlucky to miss them

AP mod's 65% armor reduction has limited benefit since the GPR's damage is so low already, but HVB reduces armor effect by 90%.

The GPR is also so light that HVB's weight penalty doesn't hit too hard.  My Geth Eng is running with only a GPR + HVB recently on a few Gold games and with a Damage and Capacity in his passive he still gets +160% cooldown.

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[Beerfish]

The gpr i found was no where near bad as people claimed it to be. As much as I like some weaopons i just don't use them that much if i have to get finger fatigue from them like the mattock.

[The Wayward Vagabond]

Ashen Earth wrote...

The Wayward Vagabond wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

chefcook90 wrote...

What are you talking about!? GPR IS AMAZING... on bronze difficulty!

Still, I love using it on my human soldiers (when farming bronze) - as long as you keep adrenaline rush up you can litterally just hold the trigger down the entire match and never reload the damn thing (especially now that the magazine size increased from 80 to 100).

It's good on Gold difficulty too.

I remember making an extremely detailed post on how it's possible for a Geth character to drop a trooper in under 1 second with headshots in one of the other "GPR is bad" threads. (I'll look for it)

I can vouch for that. Headshot damage racks up really fast even on gold, even on bosses.

afaik not all of the headshot multipliers apply to bosses.

Bosses do seem to take headshot damage, at least based on my experience. Concentrated headshot damage against Primes took them down before I emptied the clip as opposed to bodyshots.

[SgtAmazing]

The Wayward Vagabond wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

chefcook90 wrote...

What are you talking about!? GPR IS AMAZING... on bronze difficulty!

Still, I love using it on my human soldiers (when farming bronze) - as long as you keep adrenaline rush up you can litterally just hold the trigger down the entire match and never reload the damn thing (especially now that the magazine size increased from 80 to 100).

It's good on Gold difficulty too.

I remember making an extremely detailed post on how it's possible for a Geth character to drop a trooper in under 1 second with headshots in one of the other "GPR is bad" threads. (I'll look for it)

I can vouch for that. Headshot damage racks up really fast even on gold, even on bosses.

Yeah, they got rid of headshot damage to bosses a while ago.  Not too long after the game was released.

[Jesse]

SgtAmazing wrote...

The Wayward Vagabond wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

chefcook90 wrote...

What are you talking about!? GPR IS AMAZING... on bronze difficulty!

Still, I love using it on my human soldiers (when farming bronze) - as long as you keep adrenaline rush up you can litterally just hold the trigger down the entire match and never reload the damn thing (especially now that the magazine size increased from 80 to 100).

It's good on Gold difficulty too.

I remember making an extremely detailed post on how it's possible for a Geth character to drop a trooper in under 1 second with headshots in one of the other "GPR is bad" threads. (I'll look for it)

I can vouch for that. Headshot damage racks up really fast even on gold, even on bosses.

Yeah, they got rid of headshot damage to bosses a while ago.  Not too long after the game was released.

Aaannndd they added it back in with the last patch - 40% on Banshee/Prime heads, and correct me if I'm wrong, the exhaust port of an Atlas also has a 40% modifier on it.

Modifié par gilberto3001, 13 novembre 2012 - 03:53 .

[joker_jack]

DullahansXMark wrote...

I don't like either weapon, so whatever.

Hell, I've got no use for my Harrier now, thanks to my recently-obtained Particle Rifle.

I'm lucky enough to have a ppr x. Strangly the only gun the hvb is good for.

[Drummernate]

Do you have to spam the trigger the whole time you use the pulse rifle?....

No.

Sometimes I get lazy and use it when my fingers get tired.

[Grunt_Platform]

The GPR is amazing with headshot bonuses. With its accuracy, rate of fire and greater HS multiplier, it'll deal more damage with those than most weapons. It's actually a good choice for mob-sweeper Turian Soldiers and geth now. Headshot bonuses from powers and gear are separate a separate multiplier from the 3x headshot bonus—so they're effectively larger on a gun like the GPR than on a gun like the Mattock.

Also, it has (almost) half the weight of the Mattock and is easier to use so, hah.

Since the buff, it seems to have a better ammo proc rate than I remember from prebuff, but it might be helped by its long firing times. As a vehicle for ammo powers, the GPR is completely superior to every other light weapon (even some mid-weights like the Mattock). With cryo, warp, or incendiary rounds it does fine against armor.

I like both guns. The GPR is still a bit underpowered, but it is much much better than it used to be. Yes, the Mattock does better damage overall, and is a more general purpose weapon... but there are niches the GPR fills that the Mattock just doesn't. On a kit with ROF and large HS bonuses, I would prefer the GPR to the Mattock.. on most everything else the Mattock wins.

Modifié par EvanKester, 13 novembre 2012 - 04:21 .

[ToaOrka]

This thread is going to get the Mattock nerfed.

[Grunt_Platform]

ToaOrka wrote...

This thread is going to get the Mattock nerfed.

...Man, I hope not. Its full DPS is mostly fantasy (same as with so many shotguns)

[FeralJester616]

Give it to a Geth Engineer, add AP mod and damage barrel, then add Disruptor or Incendiary ammo. Fire it inbetween Overload cooldown.

You'll be Tech Bursting faster than you can blink...

Do do otherwise is to do it wrong...
/Thread

[LeandroBraz]

Kyerea wrote...

Editor's Note: 1.) The GPR is terrible, stop using it. Seriously, you are hurting the team and yourself. 2.) The Mattock can be maxed out faster due to Uncommon rarirty, cheaper to spam Veteran Packs, less Uncommon weapons in the game than Rare weapons to clog up RNG. 3.) The Vindicator X is stronger than the Geth ****** Rifle, will add stats if people are curious to it's fail. 4.) No mods are calculated in these statlines, since I like adding fuel to the fire.

Why I would stop using it if I'm effective with it? Oh yeah, DPS, numbers, math... I have news for you, they are lying. Why? Because math by itself means nothing on this game, numbers are a big pile of BS. You are ignoring all the other factors, being the most important the human factor, the player. What use the extra damage from the mattock will have for me if I keep hitting the walls, or if I can't press the button fast enough to make it effective? 

 GPR are extremely good for headshot, but not only it, she is awesome to spread ammo effect, and promove some explosions. I was doing extremely well with it on my geth engineer, I could easily clean all the mobs, then the team would have an easy time killing bosses. This game, over everyhting, is about skill, not numbers. If I know how to be effective, I will be effective, I don't need the highest DPS of the game...

[sclera]

GPR rules.

[seireikhaan]

Dislike carpel tunnel. So no, I will continue to use my GPR for geth engy and the mattock on nobody.

[Ieyfura]

I use the GPR on my Geth Engi all the time now on Gold. I usually slap a Talon on as my side arm for bosses though.

One thing I have yet to determine is whether or not Assault Rifle amps or Targeting VI consumables/gear are better for it. (I go for the headshots on mooks after overload stagger/stunning them). Just not sure if the bonus amp damage outweighs the headshot damage boost or not.

[Elindile]

fast firing mattock? srsly i love this thing over the gpr

youtu.be/Qkk7sFDYiP0 

and before you claim hax: no, its a mouse macro

[solidprice]

EvanKester wrote...

The GPR is amazing with headshot bonuses. With its accuracy, rate of fire and greater HS multiplier, it'll deal more damage with those than most weapons. It's actually a good choice for mob-sweeper Turian Soldiers and geth now. Headshot bonuses from powers and gear are separate a separate multiplier from the 3x headshot bonus—so they're effectively larger on a gun like the GPR than on a gun like the Mattock.

Also, it has (almost) half the weight of the Mattock and is easier to use so, hah.

Since the buff, it seems to have a better ammo proc rate than I remember from prebuff, but it might be helped by its long firing times. As a vehicle for ammo powers, the GPR is completely superior to every other light weapon (even some mid-weights like the Mattock). With cryo, warp, or incendiary rounds it does fine against armor.

I like both guns. The GPR is still a bit underpowered, but it is much much better than it used to be. Yes, the Mattock does better damage overall, and is a more general purpose weapon... but there are niches the GPR fills that the Mattock just doesn't. On a kit with ROF and large HS bonuses, I would prefer the GPR to the Mattock.. on most everything else the Mattock wins.

[Black Phantom]

gilberto3001 wrote...

SgtAmazing wrote...

The Wayward Vagabond wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

chefcook90 wrote...

What are you talking about!? GPR IS AMAZING... on bronze difficulty!

Still, I love using it on my human soldiers (when farming bronze) - as long as you keep adrenaline rush up you can litterally just hold the trigger down the entire match and never reload the damn thing (especially now that the magazine size increased from 80 to 100).

It's good on Gold difficulty too.

I remember making an extremely detailed post on how it's possible for a Geth character to drop a trooper in under 1 second with headshots in one of the other "GPR is bad" threads. (I'll look for it)

I can vouch for that. Headshot damage racks up really fast even on gold, even on bosses.

Yeah, they got rid of headshot damage to bosses a while ago.  Not too long after the game was released.

Aaannndd they added it back in with the last patch - 40% on Banshee/Prime heads, and correct me if I'm wrong, the exhaust port of an Atlas also has a 40% modifier on it.

I never claimed that they don't take headshot damage, just that since the weak points were reintroduced, not all of the multipliers apply to them.

And it makes sense that it would be that way too, the stacking multipliers trivializing boss enemies is what prompted Bioware to remove them before the patch.

[Morgax_Warrior]

Mouse macro, autoclicker both of them work on mattock, personally i never bothered to use any i still like mattock without such advantages, GPR could receive stronger shield/barrier penetration to match the one in ME2.

[sirjimmus86]

I used to care about this, then realised when people starting playing Gold using weapons like the GPR, Shuriken, Geth Plasma SMG, Phalanx etc to get the challenges, that it hardly made any difference.

[ArcaptSSX]

The Mattock feels like a poor man's version of a Harrier with a mouse macro. Dps is good, trigger finger and mouse are both happier, but you spend so much time reloading and pressure on ammo is only slightly lower than with the Harrier.

Also, is that considered legit, since it requires third party software and everything? Does Bioware have a stance on the issue? I've used it a little and been wondering ever since.

[Maria Caliban]

I used my Geth Pulse Rifle X to get the Marksman banner. I debated with myself whether it or the Avenger X was better. They both do ******-poor damage, but the Avenger clip change is fast, which is important when you need three clips just to strip the shield off an Atlas on bronze.

[Jarno Mikkola]

Kyerea wrote...
Mattock X
450.0 RPM

Right... and I would like to see your controller after a Plat solorun right after...