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ABCoLD wrote...

For some reason the Catalyst decides its system no longer works.  It's sought to preserve organic and synthetic life by encasing them in Reaper shells.  It decides that this will no longer work when the Catalyst itself summons Shepard to the top of the Citadel.  So as an alternative means of improving on its plan it offers Shepard the choice to destroy every civilization the Catalyst has tried to save. There is no explanation for why it decides to say 'derp, screw it' and just give up.  There's also no explanation why as the controlling force if this was its intention it simply just doesn't deactivate all Reapers.   The choice just happens to be there, for no reason.

If someone can give me a good reason beyond 'The Catalyst is insane' then I'll listen to it.


IT....?:wizard:

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Judging by how he's reacting to TIM's suit, I bet this guy just lost his mind when the Nihlus scene happened in ME1. And the merc scene on Miranda's loyalty mission. And many other similar scenes in the series...


Actually, he praised that scene because of the setup and execution. Unlike the TIM sequence, Nihilus was shot from behind at point blank range, with, I believe, a shotgun. In all possibility his shields did activate and are the only reason he was not decapitated.

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to me...when all is said and done, there is no greater opinion than that of my own. People can diss it and say they disagree....but they cant tell me im wrong (well...they can try...but then they would be a douche).

so i will pass and form my own opinions....and do so without the need to post a youtube rant vid.

thanks for the response.

See, that's the funny thing.  I didn't say you should listen to an opinion, I said you should listen to information to help you form an opinion.  Of course you can form an opinion without any outside information, but then you'll probably be wrong. :wizard:

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spirosz wrote...
You two should date. 


Nah. I'm not his type.

Anyway.

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Actually, he praised that scene because of the setup and execution. Unlike the TIM sequence, Nihilus was shot from behind at point blank range, with, I believe, a shotgun. In all possibility his shields did activate and are the only reason he was not decapitated.


Pretty sure it was a pistol.

Though, even if most people have shields, there are guns that have ammo specifically designed to bypass them or at least damage them more than the average round.

Like the phasic rounds that are installed into pretty much every gun there is by the time of ME2.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

spirosz wrote...
You two should date. 


Nah. I'm not his type.

Anyway.

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Actually, he praised that scene because of the setup and execution. Unlike the TIM sequence, Nihilus was shot from behind at point blank range, with, I believe, a shotgun. In all possibility his shields did activate and are the only reason he was not decapitated.


Pretty sure it was a pistol.

Though, even if most people have shields, there are guns that have ammo specifically designed to bypass them or at least damage them more than the average round.

Like the phasic rounds that are installed into pretty much every gun there is by the time of ME2.


It was in fact a pistol.

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The videos have become a little redundant. I feel everything's been said before.

I do appreciate his nitpicking, though. Bioware can learn something from him: Details matter, pay attention to them. And keep it simple. Don't go for long-winded explanations and logical twists if you have trouble keeping your lore in line. Oh, and don't break the rules of storytelling unless you know what you're doing.


My thoughts exactly. He HAS said some of these things already, and I find his tone to be very monotonous, but still I listen very closely to it. I wonder what he thinks of MEHEM.

Anyways I enjoyed this very much. And I am glad that he still takes his time to do these videos because I find the very informative. I have never seen so many mistakes in writing like in ME3's plot. Smudboy's videos are like lessons on what not to do. He even admits when something might work.

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See, that's the funny thing.  I didn't say you should listen to an opinion, I said you should listen to information to help you form an opinion.  Of course you can form an opinion without any outside information, but then you'll probably be wrong. :wizard:


This I also agree on. You form opinion by either talking or listening to someone and reflecting on what was said. Same goes with reading and watching something. I don't agree with smud on everything, but he sure helped me build a valid opinion on Mac Walters writing skills: He has some, but goofed up tremendously! Happens to the best writers. Watch Linkara's show "Atop the fourtn Wall" where he shows some very good examples of good writers writing horsepoop insane plots!

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BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

spirosz wrote...
You two should date. 


Nah. I'm not his type.

Anyway.

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Actually, he praised that scene because of the setup and execution. Unlike the TIM sequence, Nihilus was shot from behind at point blank range, with, I believe, a shotgun. In all possibility his shields did activate and are the only reason he was not decapitated.


Pretty sure it was a pistol.

Though, even if most people have shields, there are guns that have ammo specifically designed to bypass them or at least damage them more than the average round.

Like the phasic rounds that are installed into pretty much every gun there is by the time of ME2.


It was in fact a pistol.


Aye it was a pistol. Further, as a Spectre Saren had access to the best weaponry that's available in citadel space, it's not a stretch to assume he was using ammunition that easily bypasses shields which we know exists because Shepard can also obtain it during the game.

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Robhuzz wrote...

Aye it was a pistol. Further, as a Spectre Saren had access to the best weaponry that's available in citadel space, it's not a stretch to assume he was using ammunition that easily bypasses shields which we know exists because Shepard can also obtain it during the game.


This always bugged me in the cutscene on Virmire. I had the pistol loaded with those things only to bounce off of Saren's shields. Urgh. <_<

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JBPBRC wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Aye it was a pistol. Further, as a Spectre Saren had access to the best weaponry that's available in citadel space, it's not a stretch to assume he was using ammunition that easily bypasses shields which we know exists because Shepard can also obtain it during the game.


This always bugged me in the cutscene on Virmire. I had the pistol loaded with those things only to bounce off of Saren's shields. Urgh. <_<


I think he was using a biotic barrier though, not shields. But I guess lore wise it's possible to protect yourself using both shields and biotic barriers.

I cannot remember in detail but I don't think there was any ammo that bypassed biotic barriers more easily in ME1.

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Robhuzz wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Aye it was a pistol. Further, as a Spectre Saren had access to the best weaponry that's available in citadel space, it's not a stretch to assume he was using ammunition that easily bypasses shields which we know exists because Shepard can also obtain it during the game.


This always bugged me in the cutscene on Virmire. I had the pistol loaded with those things only to bounce off of Saren's shields. Urgh. <_<


I think he was using a biotic barrier though, not shields. But I guess lore wise it's possible to protect yourself using both shields and biotic barriers.

I cannot remember in detail but I don't think there was any ammo that bypassed biotic barriers more easily in ME1.


Eh, just one of those gameplay vs cutscene moments that bothered me is all. The rounds did a fine job of bypassing his defense outside of any cutscenes.

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Robhuzz wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

Aye it was a pistol. Further, as a Spectre Saren had access to the best weaponry that's available in citadel space, it's not a stretch to assume he was using ammunition that easily bypasses shields which we know exists because Shepard can also obtain it during the game.


This always bugged me in the cutscene on Virmire. I had the pistol loaded with those things only to bounce off of Saren's shields. Urgh. <_<


I think he was using a biotic barrier though, not shields. But I guess lore wise it's possible to protect yourself using both shields and biotic barriers.

I cannot remember in detail but I don't think there was any ammo that bypassed biotic barriers more easily in ME1.


Wasn't that ammo bypassing all barriers or shields but dealing less damage? Either way I doubt Saren would die to one lucky bullet from a pistol that bypassed his shields and/or barriers - this guy was a goddamn Robocop.

I love how people here are getting irritated cause others like Smudboy's style.
He seeks perfection. It's not easy, it can be irritating, it can make You angry, It can make You and other go away but here we face the faiulre of the team of Me3 to accept this and fix it. Even the obvious things are left behind by Bioware as "good enough" and these little things are put aside even by irritated fans because of overwhelming stupidity of the ending that just strikes them in a face with red big letters.

Being nitpicky and torough should be a basic trait for any reviewer or critic, mostly because the one of the most basic forms of learning is "trial and error" and if error is not seen or somebody does not want to see it... all is for nothing.
Perfection is an admirable goal, it requires thoroughness and patience and acceptance for the fact that what will be created is and always will be flawed. Beacuse sometimes perfection is a flaw at it's very basis.
You really need to have a strong will if You want to take on the impossible goal, and let there always be a person behind You saying two things: 
"Scio me nihil scire"
"Respice te, hominem te memento" .

If not it is going to end horribly for the artist/creator/whoever - or You gonna create utter garbage or You will grow arrogant and greedy. ( or both ).

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spirosz wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

In your case the butthurt over the ending can be summed up in one line, "Me no get happy ending with Tali!!!!!".


Says the guy who was all over TIM in ME2 to the point where you wanted a romance and then got so buttmad over the treatment of his "character" in ME3 and then spends all the time on this forum whining obsessionally about everything that's in the game.

Also, I'm not mad over that, since Shepard survives Destroy and I can say that whatever I want happens after that.

So go away, you colossal hypocrite.


You two should date. 

I totally support this.

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IReuven wrote...


Wasn't that ammo bypassing all barriers or shields but dealing less damage? Either way I doubt Saren would die to one lucky bullet from a pistol that bypassed his shields and/or barriers - this guy was a goddamn Robocop.
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If I recall correctly, he was only given the robotic upgrades after Virmire. Prior to the battle of the Citadel, he's still a regular old turian.

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BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

IReuven wrote...


Wasn't that ammo bypassing all barriers or shields but dealing less damage? Either way I doubt Saren would die to one lucky bullet from a pistol that bypassed his shields and/or barriers - this guy was a goddamn Robocop.
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If I recall correctly, he was only given the robotic upgrades after Virmire. Prior to the battle of the Citadel, he's still a regular old turian.


Eh, even without the Reaper upgrades he still had a hefty bunch of cybernetic implants before Virmire.

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JBPBRC wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

IReuven wrote...


Wasn't that ammo bypassing all barriers or shields but dealing less damage? Either way I doubt Saren would die to one lucky bullet from a pistol that bypassed his shields and/or barriers - this guy was a goddamn Robocop.
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If I recall correctly, he was only given the robotic upgrades after Virmire. Prior to the battle of the Citadel, he's still a regular old turian.


Eh, even without the Reaper upgrades he still had a hefty bunch of cybernetic implants before Virmire.


Hmm, don't recall that conversation. Was it maybe in the novels?

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BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

IReuven wrote...


Wasn't that ammo bypassing all barriers or shields but dealing less damage? Either way I doubt Saren would die to one lucky bullet from a pistol that bypassed his shields and/or barriers - this guy was a goddamn Robocop.
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If I recall correctly, he was only given the robotic upgrades after Virmire. Prior to the battle of the Citadel, he's still a regular old turian.


He looked "half-gethy" on Eden Prime - his eyes were implants (I thiiink... Need to replay Me1 :devil: ) and left arm looked like he tore it out of the geth trooper.
http://cloud-2.steam...26CDFCE826285B/

I know this is post Virmire but his model did not change if I am correct.

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It's funny how people say he's nitpicking like it invalidates his points.


Because there is such a thing as a "perfect" game, right.  <_<

Some games are considerably more imperfect than others...Image IPB

'Tis true.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

In your case the butthurt over the ending can be summed up in one line, "Me no get happy ending with Tali!!!!!".


Says the guy who was all over TIM in ME2 to the point where you wanted a romance and then got so buttmad over the treatment of his "character" in ME3 and then spends all the time on this forum whining obsessionally about everything that's in the game.

Also, I'm not mad over that, since Shepard survives Destroy and I can say that whatever I want happens after that.

So go away, you colossal hypocrite.


I love straw men too.

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Seboist wrote...

I love straw men too.


You've certainly made that clear in the past.

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Knight of Dane wrote...

It's funny how people say he's nitpicking like it invalidates his points.


It's fun to see Smud shatter the sad little worlds of these fanboys where they think this series isn't a bunch sub-par Gears knock offs with Ed Wood level plots(post-ME1).

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 He nitpicks too much, it just gets a little distracting is all, it did make me laugh a few times though:
"When fire burns, is it at war? Is it in conflict? Or is it simply doing what it was created to do?"
"Immortal, 2-kilometer tall, flying cybernetic spaceship, egotistical, zombie, networked AI, hive-minded supercomputers, that shoot lasers out of their bodies, built from corpses of ancient telepathic aquatic giants, who are 'each a nation, independent, free of all weakness', whose thoughts are unfathomable to anything in this cycle... are being compared to a chemical reaction."
I thought it was pretty funny :P

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Dark_Caduceus wrote...

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Actually, iirc, he does praise some of the things ME3 did well in the first video.


Fair enough.
Imo the overall consense and intention of the videos are to (overly) criticize while being not really constructive nor fair. While bringing some valid points, the intention of these videos is to "bash" the game in question. Well, at least I have a hard time seeing the constructive side of these videos.

Add to it that some of his own arguments are prone to be discectted or can be nitpicked too... for example: his "gratz, you are bombing earth" example from one of his earlier videos: He claims that the attacking united fleet is bombing earth, since they are firing on the reapers which are hovering in front of the planet, which -in his reasoning- translates to nuking earth. (Since the missing shots would hit earth etc) But if you actually paid attention the weapons the ships are using are mostly mass accelerators (wiki it if you want) which accelerate 4kg slugs to 4025km/s (1.3% the speed of light). The kinetic energy of the impact is roughly equivilant to an atom bomb. (W= 0.5 * m *v² | W = 0.5*4*(4025m/s)² | W = 32401250J or 32401.250 KJ)

The thing is these 4kg slugs of high density metal (thats not even as big as a common football) will just burn up in the athmosphere of earth. So... NO. They are NOT bombing earth. All you would see on earth from the "bombardment" are some pretty falling stars. Would be more make-a-wish-day then judgement-day. 

So yeah, his own arguments are wrong. While being supernitpicky and not really constructive/helpful. There are a lot of words for people like that, I just leave it at the point that I cant really take him or his videos to serious.

@costin

Nothing wrong with critisim, as long as it stays constructive and can genuinely help the person in question to improve his/her work. If i would be an developer at BW and watch these videos I still wouldnt know how to improve my work. And the how is what good criticizm is about. Not pointing out every minor detail.


There's no point discussing the mathematics of how mass effect kinetic weapons work in a planet's atmopshere (assuming it has one, like earth) because we already understand how they operate based on scenes and evidence in game.

For example Klendagon, which is purported to have an atmosphere (at least the Wikipedia explains) has a gigantic rift due to a mass accelerator weapon; so it's difficult to believe that slugs simply burn up in the atmopshere unless it was an ungodly gigantic slug that if fired.

Also, weren't Reapers using orbital bombardment, at least on Palaven and Thessia? They might not fire slugs, but they do use mass accelerator technology; the Wikipedia states the Thanix Cannon uses a "...liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The
molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of
light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired..."
Why do Thanix cannons work (which essentially just fire a stream of metal particles suspended in an electromagnetic field), but slugs don't?

Edit: Likewise, the Destroyer Reaper on Rannoch was destroyed by mass accelerator weapons from the orbiting Migrant Fleet; that was the purpose of that stupid part with the targetting laser. If Mass Accelerated slugs couldn;t pass through earthlike atmopsheres, we wouldn't have been able to destroy that Reaper and the game would have ended that much earlier (and thus preserve my sanity).

Also, Alchera has an atmopshere; yet Shepard passed through it and there was still "meat and tubes" left to revive, now, there's no reason necessarily to believe he was moving at relativistic speeds (unless the Normandy was moving at the time, can someone confirm this?) but nonetheless he should have burned away in any atmosphere even close to earth's; so one can only assume planetary re-rentry doesn't work the way we think it does. Otherwise your left with a conflict as to how exactly it does work in the Mass Effect universe.

Edit: There's also the inherent logical problem of mass accelerators not working through an atmosphere, that means that Reapers need to expose themelves to ground level fire if they want to fire on ground forces, that's like a really bad idea, even for billion year old bio-mechanical star gods of ungodly intelligence and power comprised of millions of interlinked minds. Because then you get Cained.



There is a lot of examples of orbital bombardment in ME - in planetary descriptions, codex, and ME2 scene.
Also, there is also rl research and tests in kinetic orbital bombardment. Obviously, it is now ineffective(costs too much), due to orbital lift costs.

Someone who states about kinetic weapons not working throughout the atmosphere is wrong.

Also, beside the objective reality, it is fun when someone, to justify nonsensical and broken scene, willing to completely erase lore of the universe.
Well, ME3 is doing that anyways.

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ABCoLD wrote...

kratos0294 wrote...

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The world would be a better place if this ****** jumped in front of a train.

lol, this.

Seriously, he is nitpicking way, WAY too much.

Not EVERYTHING has to be explained !

It's not a question of things being explained, it's a question of things being logical.  I know people liked the fire comment about Reapers, my personal favorite bit followed this line of reasoning.

For some reason the Catalyst decides its system no longer works.  It's sought to preserve organic and synthetic life by encasing them in Reaper shells.  It decides that this will no longer work when the Catalyst itself summons Shepard to the top of the Citadel.  So as an alternative means of improving on its plan it offers Shepard the choice to destroy every civilization the Catalyst has tried to save. There is no explanation for why it decides to say 'derp, screw it' and just give up.  There's also no explanation why as the controlling force if this was its intention it simply just doesn't deactivate all Reapers.   The choice just happens to be there, for no reason.

If someone can give me a good reason beyond 'The Catalyst is insane' then I'll listen to it.

Catalyst is insane.
You can also ask about Crucible, no one will answer also.

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There's no point discussing the mathematics of how mass effect kinetic weapons work in a planet's atmopshere (assuming it has one, like earth) because we already understand how they operate based on scenes and evidence in game.

For example Klendagon, which is purported to have an atmosphere (at least the Wikipedia explains) has a gigantic rift due to a mass accelerator weapon; so it's difficult to believe that slugs simply burn up in the atmopshere unless it was an ungodly gigantic slug that if fired.

Also, weren't Reapers using orbital bombardment, at least on Palaven and Thessia? They might not fire slugs, but they do use mass accelerator technology; the Wikipedia states the Thanix Cannon uses a "...liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten suspended in an electromagnetic field powered by element zero. The
molten metal, accelerated to a significant fraction of the speed of
light, solidifies into a projectile as it is fired..."
Why do Thanix cannons work (which essentially just fire a stream of metal particles suspended in an electromagnetic field), but slugs don't?


First off: You're facts are wrong. You confuse mass accelerated projectils (thats your everyday pistol in ME) with a weapon which is familiar to how the mass relays work. The Projectile that destroyed Klendagon was faster then light. Same technology when ships jump from relay to relay. Not just simply a slug that got accelerated by a rail which uses an e-zero core as its powersource. 

Second: No, reapers dont use orbital bombardment. They have airsupport, sure, but no outerspace->groundlevel weapons. Its also stated that their kind of warefare intends to take as many biological matter with them, not to burn it to ash from space.

Third: What works with Thanix Cannons? Bombardment from Space? That never happens. At best you see a Beamweapons fired out of the Clouds, while the Reaperships are decending. Which is at best a couple hundred meters above the ground. 

Fourth: "...liquid alloy of iron, uranium, and tungsten suspended in an electromagnetic field..." 
I put the keyword in bold letters. To spell it out: the superheated alloy does never get slowed down before hitting its target. It sounds reasonable that beamweapons burn a path clear for the payload to be delivered. Not that it matters much, since they dont use it from space anyway. But yes, thats one of the reasons why the reapers are so much more advanced and dangerous then any other threat before.

@Costin
Err, no. Pointing at flawed things can be done by anyone, as you can see on every forum. Trying to help to identify the issues and actually help to improve the workprocess cant be done by anyone. For that you need substential background knowledge of how things actually work and are done. 
And thats EXACTLY what constructive criticism is about. http://en.wikipedia....ctive_criticism
Thats also a big reason why Gamedevs dont give a flying f*ck about the opinion of the masses on a micro level. To give constructive criticism you need to be at roughly the same level of skill as the one you are criticising. You dont discuss quantum physics with a rer.nat without being one yourself or being on a equivalent level of skill. Its just all to likely that you make a fool out of yourself.

Imo Smudboy is a critic of the bad kind. I dont value his videos, since they are not constructive enough for my taste, nor do they give a wellrounded review of the game.
If you think hes right, thats good for you, but that never was the issue to begin with.

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I love straw men too.


It's funny, because you started the whole thing on one.