LinksOcarina wrote...
Dark_Caduceus wrote...
LinksOcarina wrote...
Dark_Caduceus wrote...
LinksOcarina wrote...
Dark_Caduceus wrote...
"This pistol doesn't have a thermal clip!"
Thats a writing gaff. Like the gaff Legion had while he was crawling through the vents in the collector base.
It sucks that it happens and they should change it though, but if this is how you measure lore-betrayal...well...sorry you feel that way over something trivial.
A writing gaff? That's a clever euphamism for contrivance and sloppy story telling you have there.
Not really. sloppy storytelling is the stuff Tolkien did. Or Isaac Asimov. Or Lucas. You know, the abrupt scene changes, the lack of explainations to what is going on, the myriad of main characters with no fully central narrative, the unecessary padding and in some cases, objectification of women and non-feminist ideals.
We love them all the same anyway.
Oh. You got me when you mentioned the famous story tellers. Frankly, I don't know much about the errors those authors may have made; and it doesn't matter. I don't care if it's Stephanie Meyer or Ernest Hemmingway, if you make an error when creating a story, it's bad story telling.
*Extra points for criticising their subject material, but non-feminist ideals are completely irrelevant in this discussion.
If your argument is that I should cut the Mass Effect 2/3 story slack because famous story tellers in the past have potentially made errors when creating their pieces of fiction, then it appears your taste in fiction isn't the only thing that is lacking.
How obtuse are you, dude. I can care less if you criticize Mass Effect 2 or 3 for story reasons. I just want you to do it correctly. If your worried about what was written or said with such a fine tooth-comb to the point where a single line m9akes it bad story-telling, then I really feel bad for any attempts you may have to think outside the box of your robot logic to look at something and say, they need to fix that but it shouldn't ruin my enjoyment for this game.
The only thing really lacking here is not my tastes in fiction, but your ability to enjoy anything, it seems. But who needs that when we find something out of place that doesn't fit?
Apparently I'm so obtuse I can't agree with your cockamamie arguments.
I acknowledge that stories, invariably, have errors. What matters is a couple of things, namely the ability to maintain immersion in the story, and the degree of errors involved.
Now, when in George R.R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" series a character who a couple chapters before had a hand amputated "cups his
hands around his mouth to yell", it is a forgiveable error. Sure, it doesn't make sense, but it doesn't damage the suspension of disbelief, it isn't plot contrivance for convenience, and its dismissable as a minor error which can be easily remedied.
Now, when you have a sequel to a game based on a premise which makes no sense, full of contrivance, and retroactively damages the earlier entry in the series. That's not dismissable as a minor error, that's where you enter the realm of plain bad story telling. Enter Mass Effect 2.
Now you see, both criticisms are based on a single line of text; but one is an utterly harmful plot inconstency, and one is a small editting error.
Applying careful criticism to stories is a good thing, using supposition and arguments from authority and ad hominem attacks to defend an obviously flawed story is not.
I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy the game, I thought it was a fun game with an awful story. Mass Effect 2 was
enjoyable but the story was
rubbish. If you decide to defend that story, I can only conclude you have bad taste in story telling.
Edit: Oh, and making broad generalizations about my ability to enjoy "anything" should serve as an indicator as to how feeble and desperate your position in this argument has become. I mean, for one thing, I enjoy criticizing Mass Effect 3's terrible story.
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