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[GimmeDaGun]

Eterna5 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why is he still alive?

Now, this is rude pal... no matter how tiresome the dude is and his annoyingly nitpicky and arrogant videos, he's a human and he deserves a life and chances just as much as anybody else out there. 

Meh, he indirectly called me a blithering moron, I reserve my right to exercise free speech and retaliate. 

Not questioning your right, man. I'm just saying that it was rude. Questioning anothe person's existence is not a very nice thing and it sounds pretty immature.  I saw a few deaths myself where I work and I happened to experience it very closely in my life. It's some very painful business. Just saying, not questioning anything.

 Eh, I guess I can see that. I'm a Police Officer and I've been forced to kill someone myself once. It haunted me for a long time. 

Now that I can believe and relate to. Death is a heavy burdon which goes on with you until your time comes. Must have been a shocking and sad experience. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 13 novembre 2012 - 11:33 .

[GimmeDaGun]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Please don´t generalise. I'm a "pro-ender"

Not so nice when the boots on the other foot is it? For the lack of a better label, "anti-enders" have been generalised constantly, even when very good arguments are made and questions asked about the game.

I don't know what you're talking about. Usually I write here very seldomly. I just say that not everybody who likes the endings want other people dead for the difference in opinions. It's immature and pretty ignorant behaviour. So please don't pull me into some X vs. Y argument. I accidentally fell into it once, but I'm not here to argue about the endings. I'm here to discuss the game, news about dlc. and to practice English. Nothing good comes from arguing over something which is so much up to subjective opinions and personal tastes and preferences. 

X vs Y argument? I thought it was a debate and your information was incorrect.

I'm talking about this whole "pro-ender" vs. "anti-ender" thing which is going here on the BSN. I don't know wether I can call it a debate. Debates usually do not include name calling, nor they run in circles endlessly without making any sense. I just can't see where it all goes. The ending won't change. No one can change the others mind and opinion about it. Everybody knows the others' points and opinions already. Nothing new sees the day of light when it comes to this topic. It's only the "same old, same old..." argument that goes on in each thread, usually with the same people. I don't see a debate here.

I did not reflect on the guy's opinion in this thread. I perfectly know that he hates the ending and he has his points. I disagree with them and respectfully refuse his accusations about me being an idiot (just because I like what he clearly hates). I only reflected on his obsession. I'm still curious why people get soooo over the top about a game, a story and its ending. Like it was their life...

In the grand scheme of things, debates rarely change the other's opinion regardless of fact or logic. They are their own form of analysis and to some, a source of entertainment, for others a means of venting frustration.

By now, yes, people are entrenched in their own beliefs regarding the endings and these debates are ultimately pointless. Nonetheless, I still partake it them for fun every now and again.

Yeah, pretty much how I see it, and I read you... though I personally don't see the fun side of it. 

[Costin_Razvan]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

"When fire burns, is it at war? Is it in conflicct? Or is it simple doing what it was created to do?"

Immortal, two-kilometre tall, flying cybernetic spaceship, egotistical zombie, networked A.I hive-mind and super-computers that shoot lasers out of their bodies, built from corpses of ancient telepathic aquatic giants, who are each a nation independant free of all weakness whose thoughts are unfathomable to anything in this cycle... Are being compared to a chemical reaction?

*awkward pause*

Wow does not cover this.

Worth 20 minutes. Turned off after this. He can't top that level of ownage. Plus I always hated that damn fire analogy.

You have no idea how much this post made me laugh, nor how much I laughed when I saw it in the clip before reading this.

Still nothing tops the Sovreign moment of the first EC video. It does make me want to cry though...the years I spent caring about this franchise, the love for the series when I replaying ME2 over 15 times. The love I put into making a video like this: www.youtube.com/watch

All of that reduced to the pile of crap that is ME3. I really wish I just hated the ending, but to me the huge problems of ME3 began on Earth in the intro and by the time I got to the ending with the Catalyst I no longer cared. TIM on the Citadel was the final nail for me.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 13 novembre 2012 - 12:05 .

[Unschuld]

I used to think smudboy had only a few really good points while being overly nitpicky in the ME2 days, and I found that nitpicking utterly tiresome to the point where it detracted from a stronger argument. That viewpoint has since done a complete 180, and leaves me wondering if he's either becoming more on-the-mark with his criticisms or whether the quotient of broken logic and dumb contained within Mass Effect has reached critical mass and he can no longer miss. Sadly, despite my respect for his attention to detail and cognitive reasoning ability, I'm inclined to the latter. Just about everything he's saying in these latest videos is spot on and echos what's been said for months, and it's becoming increasingly difficult to imagine so many people continuing to ignore the giant elephant in the room.

Modifié par Unschuld, 13 novembre 2012 - 12:07 .

[Teddie Sage]

The more I watch these videos, the more I hate, hate, hate, HATE the endings.

[Morty Smith]

<3

[davidshooter]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

"When fire burns, is it at war? Is it in conflicct? Or is it simple doing what it was created to do?"

Immortal, two-kilometre tall, flying cybernetic spaceship, egotistical zombie, networked A.I hive-mind and super-computers that shoot lasers out of their bodies, built from corpses of ancient telepathic aquatic giants, who are each a nation independant free of all weakness whose thoughts are unfathomable to anything in this cycle... Are being compared to a chemical reaction?

*awkward pause*

Wow does not cover this.

Worth 20 minutes. Turned off after this. He can't top that level of ownage. Plus I always hated that damn fire analogy.

This was very nicely done - as for Smudboy:

I get the hate, and I do often wonder why he still makes videos - on the other hand though-  I have to admit, as a huge fan of the first game and its universe, I too still find myself frequently mulling over where the plot eventually went because I still can't wrap my mind around how stupid it all became.

The ending of Mass Effect 3 remains the most broken piece of professional story telling I have ever experienced in any genre, period.

[Someone With Mass]

Here's my response.

Thanks, Admiral Obvious, for pointing out the details a blind granny with Alzheimer can notice.

[Catroi]

Eterna5 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Why is he still alive?

Now, this is rude pal... no matter how tiresome the dude is and his annoyingly nitpicky and arrogant videos, he's a human and he deserves a life and chances just as much as anybody else out there. 

Meh, he indirectly called me a blithering moron, I reserve my right to exercise free speech and retaliate. 

It's actually illegal to incite directly or inderectly to murder/suicide in most countries

[Ithurael]

If anything his arguments just lend credence at to how bad/odd the ending is and why IT is popular.

Some of his observations can be explained via head-canon, but in the end he does a good job going into detail illustrating the oddities of the ending.

[Grubas]

Ithurael wrote...

If anything his arguments just lend credence at to how bad/odd the ending is and why IT is popular.

Some of his observations can be explained via head-canon, but in the end he does a good job going into detail illustrating the oddities of the ending.

In the end even the spacekid is just a scapegoat to blame him for the entire endgame. To me at last.  

[spirosz]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I don't know what's worse, the fact that he's still making videos or the fact that he's still so mad about it. Seriously, it's time for that guy to move on.

^ 

[Oni Changas]

LOL, if any logic haters actually took the time to watch the video past the 1 minute mark, they'd have a reason to question BW's SP team's integrity and intelligence. This time, Smudboy is 100% justified for tearing into them like a pissed off comedian on a front row heckler. This is Tasty Uberstated Nerdrage. The most hilarious part is that he's just getting started. Another reminder as to why "ME3" is a multiplayer only game to me.

[spirosz]

OniTYME wrote...

LOL, if any logic haters actually took the time to watch the video past the 1 minute mark, they'd have a reason to question BW's SP team's integrity and intelligence. This time, Smudboy is 100% justified for tearing into them like a pissed off comedian on a front row heckler. This is Tasty Uberstated Nerdrage. The most hilarious part is that he's just getting started. Another reminder as to why "ME3" is a multiplayer only game to me.

LOL @ logic and video games. 

[dreamgazer]

spirosz wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

LOL, if any logic haters actually took the time to watch the video past the 1 minute mark, they'd have a reason to question BW's SP team's integrity and intelligence. This time, Smudboy is 100% justified for tearing into them like a pissed off comedian on a front row heckler. This is Tasty Uberstated Nerdrage. The most hilarious part is that he's just getting started. Another reminder as to why "ME3" is a multiplayer only game to me.

LOL @ logic and video games. 

Storytelling is storytelling, and he brings valid points to the table. 

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

spirosz wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

LOL, if any logic haters actually took the time to watch the video past the 1 minute mark, they'd have a reason to question BW's SP team's integrity and intelligence. This time, Smudboy is 100% justified for tearing into them like a pissed off comedian on a front row heckler. This is Tasty Uberstated Nerdrage. The most hilarious part is that he's just getting started. Another reminder as to why "ME3" is a multiplayer only game to me.

LOL @ logic and video games. 

Storytelling is storytelling, and he brings valid points to the table. 

I understand that, but there's room to not always be "logical", that's why it's a game, IMO.

If he wanted to experience something realistic or state things like "I wouldn't do that in this situation", "It doesn't make sense because of "x"", that's fine, but he nitpicks things to death just for the sake of it and acts like Bioware is the only one to do these mistakes.

If he would make a high quality game, it would never be done because he would nitpick his own work to death, lol. 

[Morty Smith]

spirosz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

spirosz wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

LOL, if any logic haters actually took the time to watch the video past the 1 minute mark, they'd have a reason to question BW's SP team's integrity and intelligence. This time, Smudboy is 100% justified for tearing into them like a pissed off comedian on a front row heckler. This is Tasty Uberstated Nerdrage. The most hilarious part is that he's just getting started. Another reminder as to why "ME3" is a multiplayer only game to me.

LOL @ logic and video games. 

Storytelling is storytelling, and he brings valid points to the table. 

I understand that, but there's room to not always be "logical", that's why it's a game, IMO.

If he wanted to experience something realistic or state things like "I wouldn't do that in this situation", "It doesn't make sense because of "x"", that's fine, but he nitpicks things to death just for the sake of it and acts like Bioware is the only one to do these mistakes.

If he would make a high quality game, it would never be done because he would nitpick his own work to death, lol. 

But a game that praises itself and is praised for it´s storytelling should be able to take the heat. Especially when it´s forcing a flawed and contradicting logic onto an audience that claims to be in it for the story.

Modifié par Kroitz, 13 novembre 2012 - 03:04 .

[dreamgazer]

Kroitz wrote...

But a game that praises itself and is praised for it´s storytelling should be able to take the heat. Especially when it´s forcing a flawed and contradicting logic onto an audience that claims to be in it for the story.

Eh, even Citizen Kane and Casablanca have their logic-breaking plot holes, as do many other celebrated games. It all depends on how they're supplemented.

[xAmilli0n]

Ah, Smudboy. I love his videos, very entertaining.

Regardless if you like the EC or not, he does bring up some good points.

[Jere85]

Loving smudboys vids, i don't see where people get his pretentious attitude from, he's articulate and he has a strong opinion, Maybe he's just saying things you don't want to hear, but that doesnt mean they are less valid. Sure some of the nitpicking is too nitpicky for my taste, but in a broad sense he does make alot of sense. try not to nitpick about the nitpicking please

[Kel Riever]

People who have a problem, as in a real problem, with Smudboy's videos should look at themselves. It is a thought out criticism, simply put. Get over it.

Now, having listened to the first part of it, I think it is thought out, but while I think 'nitpicky' is just a silly exageration, it goes into details that I think most people would have forgiven if the narrative at the end wasn't ENTIRELY stupid. As I've said before, if your story is entertaining, people forgive you on the little details. But if you screw it up in an epic way, just like BioWare did with everything that happens after the starchild starts glowing and worse, starts talking...then you can expect your once loyal fanbase to rip apart everything else dumb that you did.

And there you have it. Yes, congrats to Smudboy for putting it together in yet another (this one 37 minutes long) video, and in a way that may be terse, but level headed. But we can all just save a little time by reviewing. After the EC, the reason the ending(s) of Mass Effect 3 sucks are:

1) A fake sense of choice.
2) Logic provided for the 'choice' that contradicts the story in Mass Effect 3 itself, let alone the entire series.

Done.

[ucdcsteve]

I watched a few of his videos out of interest over the ending and what not. He makes some very valid points, but after the first few videos, it started to get repetative. I also couldn't get over at how (for lack of a better term) "nit-picky" some of his points were. I mean, there were times where I said out-loud, "oh come on, now you're being ridiculous." Bioware was already trying to juggle a bajillion (yes I said bajillion, lol) decisions/story lines, they were bound to screw up somewhere! Anyone can overanalyze a creative work to death.  In my opinion, if you want a perfect game, then try to make one yourself.  It's not easy.  

I feel like it's a valiant effort on his part, but he's done this for so long, it seems like he's run out of material and just repeats his points over and over again. If he was just trying to make the story better, then fine, but there's no need to go over everything with a fine-toothed comb. 

Just my 2 cents. 

[Someone With Mass]

You know that guy who made the Marauder Shields comics? Here's a journal he wrote about the Leviathan DLC and what he thinks is good writing. With comparisons to ME3's writing.

Takes way less than 37 minutes to read and he's not wasting time on nitpicking.