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[The Spamming Troll]

J. Reezy wrote...

David7204 wrote...

Is thinking the world would be better off without some people suddenly unique?

No. But it's not like Smudboy is some mass murdering, kitten kicking douchebag. 

yea right. as if kitten kicking mass murders even use douche bags.

noob.

[EnvyTB075]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Barbantious wrote...

Oh, and we never had a court scene, so I don't know what you're talking about with "another" one.

Just to jump in for no reason whatsover, but is the court scene really necessary in terms of the opening narrative? The point was to show that the Reapers are invading and Shepard is basically brought in as a character witness and tactical advisor after being grounded. 

I mean how would the court scene be a better addition, other than providing backstory and being a rework with/without Arrival? 

Because it simply jumped into the action far too quickly for me to feel that this was a Mass Effect game. How about you weave the story of what happened to Shepard in the preceding days around the trial? Actually get to know James a bit, yell at the admiralty for a bit. Y'know, do a bit of role playing? How about giving the player some reason to be attached to Earth with some Shepard Backstory about his/her time in N7, rather than "Its Earth. Feel bad." .

Each of the other games had a decent sized break before being able to shoot stuff. We already KNOW the Reapers are coming, we did just play ME2 didn't we? "The Reapers are here" shouldn't have been as a matter of fact as the game displays it, what kind of a build up is that?

[Ithurael]

spotlessvoid wrote...

That is absolutely ridiculous. Empathy and freedom of choice are the foundation of any civilized morality. starchild is illogical for a hundred different reasons. And you're kill civilization to keep civilization from killing civilization describes starchild's retard logic perfectly

They are the bad guys man, they are allowed to be illogical or hypocrites.

Yeah the motive for the reapers sux but that is the direction they wanted to take the series. There is nothing that we can do to change it.

[Necrotron]

Not a big fan of smudboy, because I find him to be a little too nitpicky and overly critical, but I'm really looking forward to watching someone poke holes in the extended cut, because frankly, it addressed next to none of the many issues that caused the huge backlash in the first place and still ruins the series for many.

Of course, this is on a case-by-case basis, and some seem to like, but it still ruins the series for me.

Modifié par Bathaius, 14 novembre 2012 - 02:15 .

[Necrotron]

You know, his analysis of the catalyst conversation is actually very good.

[spotlessvoid]

The EC is a soggy band-aid for a massive head wound.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

What happened to the ending being brilliant IT artwork? 

[spotlessvoid]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

What happened to the ending being brilliant IT artwork? 

This isn't an IT thread. Talking bout a literal view here.

[Necrotron]

The if/then logic analysis of the catalyst's arguement is great.

And one of the reasons that made the ending extremely frustrating to experience was that the previous three games all craft a narrative which undermines that arguement as false and illogical. So, that leaves the ending with meeting a broken A.I. who controls Reaper puppets who spout nonsense (e.g. revisit Soverign's speech to Shepard in ME1 after viewing the ending), who you have to compromise with by killing yourself and committing your choice of crime in genocide, rewriting self-identity, or becoming an overlord all based upon the slim chance that the villain known for deceiving each and every entity that ever dealt with it within the known story is actually telling the truth this one time, for no good reason.

Outside of the fact that it's simply unfulfilling to lose and kill yourself at the ending of a game trilogy where in all previous events, you could always overcome despite all odds, only to get the feeling of winning through dropping the atomic bomb on a city full of civilians to stop a war, the ending sequence makes the main villains who were one of the best elements of the series laughable in how illogical they are.  I find it interesting that the EC addressed the fact that many players determined that the catalyst must be a broken A.I. based upon how foolish it's logic was and they actually added dialogue to reaffirm that it actually is.

Modifié par Bathaius, 14 novembre 2012 - 02:47 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

spotlessvoid wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

What happened to the ending being brilliant IT artwork? 

This isn't an IT thread. Talking bout a literal view here.

Could've fooled me.

[EnvyTB075]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

What happened to the ending being brilliant IT artwork? 

This isn't an IT thread. Talking bout a literal view here.

Could've fooled me.

It evidently did.

[EnvyTB075]

The Mad Hanar wrote....

I'm actually interested to know if he covered the original Mass Effect or not. I noticed a few things that were off, at least in the first few hours of gameplay. Remeber when Tali played that recording of Saren? Why didn't she play the Benezia part the first time? Y'know, little things like that. ...I've played that game way too many times.

...what do you mean? Benezia talks just after Saren does, but they don't know who it is until Tevos recognises the voice.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 14 novembre 2012 - 05:22 .

[Seboist]

spotlessvoid wrote...

This isn't an IT thread. Talking bout a literal view here.

Aka the only one that exists in reality.

[TheCrimsonSpire]

J. Reezy wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I'm actually interested to know if he covered the original Mass Effect or not. I noticed a few things that were off, at least in the first few hours of gameplay. Remeber when Tali played that recording of Saren? Why didn't she play the Benezia part the first time? Y'know, little things like that. ...I've played that game way too many times.

She forgot? Didn't think it was important at the time? You're seriously nitpicking that though?

Lol, doesn't Smuddy do exactly that though? How ironic.

Forgetting is as weak as an explanation as you can get honestly, but we don't care what the reason is anyway, do we? I mean you are kind of proving the point here, that the little things like that in the game are so insignificant of an issue in the first place, that it looks rediculous when someone points it out.

[EnvyTB075]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

I'm actually interested to know if he covered the original Mass Effect or not. I noticed a few things that were off, at least in the first few hours of gameplay. Remeber when Tali played that recording of Saren? Why didn't she play the Benezia part the first time? Y'know, little things like that. ...I've played that game way too many times.

She forgot? Didn't think it was important at the time? You're seriously nitpicking that though?

It didn't bother me, I just thought it was kind of silly.

Tali: "Hey, listen to this recording I have of Saren." *plays recording*

People there: "Awww yeah, we have him now!"

Tali: "But wait, THERE'S MORE!"

People there: :-O!!!!

Yeah, theres more on the single recording. Please tell me how this would be logical.

"And one step closer to the return of the Reapers"

Then

"Eden Prime was a major victory. The beacon has brought us one step closer to the conduit".

Now also consider, why would Benezia, Sarens second in command, speak first when shes not the one the Geth follow? Or are you telling me that Tali would purposefully play the Benezia segment first, then re-wind to Sarens part, despite the whole point of that section of the game was to prove Saren was guilty?

You are trying to pick apart a logical coherent segment of the game, why?

TheCrimsonSpire wrote...

Forgetting
is as weak as an explanation as you can get honestly, but we don't care
what the reason is anyway, do we? I mean you are kind of proving the
point here, that the little things like that in the game are so
insignificant of an issue in the first place, that it looks rediculous
when someone points it out.

Thats because it isn't actually an issue, where something like a tonne of dead people on the Citadel to be used for processing, directly contradicting the whole point of the Collector base in ME2, IS an issue.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 14 novembre 2012 - 05:29 .

[EnvyTB075]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

No, I'm just asking why she didn't play the whole recording the first time.

"Thats Sarens voice! This proves he was behind Eden Prime"

As i said, they were looking for anything that links SAREN, not BENEZIA, to Eden Prime. Anderson interjects before Tali could play the rest of the recording.

It lulls the player into a false sense of security that this is all there is, so the revelation of the Reapers comes as a surprise and is presented as a mystery. This "problem" is actually a rather basic technique to establish the plot of the game. That is to find Saren and find out what the Reapers are and why they are returning.

I don't know what you're trying to achieve, but it would be wise to stop thinking you can apply the smudboy level of critical analysis to something that doesn't need it to prove whatever point you're trying to make.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 14 novembre 2012 - 05:38 .

[Iakus]

wiggles89 wrote...

Enjoyable video as usual, though hopefully he moves onto doing videos for other games after he's finished with the EC. While I'm sure that it would be fun to watch him pick apart Leviathan, him focusing on other games would be more interesting than continuing to point out that Bioware can't into narrative coherence or lore consistency.

He's done reviews for DA2, and was doing DXHR, though I don't think he ever finished that series

Modifié par iakus, 14 novembre 2012 - 06:09 .