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[BlueMagitek]

Vampire, the same characters shouldn't be everywhere.  It makes the game world feel small. :/

The Hierophant wrote...

Despite him being a hardliner in Da2 he turned against Meredith, so there's probably some potential for him to do some soul searching in Da3 complete with him whining about his choice in careers, and the potential templar/mage romance with him acting standoffish/douche like to the mage pc.

Bleh.  If that's what he offers, no thanks.

[The Hierophant]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Vampire, the same characters shouldn't be everywhere.  It makes the game world feel small. :/

The Hierophant wrote...

Despite him being a hardliner in Da2 he turned against Meredith, so there's probably some potential for him to do some soul searching in Da3 complete with him whining about his choice in careers, and the potential templar/mage romance with him acting standoffish/douche like to the mage pc.

Bleh.  If that's what he offers, no thanks.

If he's to be a companion i hope he doesn't end up like that though. It would be nice if he ends up like Auron(FFX) after his beliefs were crapped on.

[HighMoon]

Never understood the appeal of Cullen myself, I just never found him to be attractive. But I wouldn't take away from those who want to romance him, especially since there are a lot of them. I just hope they allow for a solid and fleshed-out friendship path with him as well.

[VampOrchid]

Why does every fraken thread got to be about color, creed, holes or poles? Really? Wow.

If he's in the game Bioware will decide what to do with him. End of story. If they make him like gals and dudes, whatever, no big. If they don't and you want him to like a dude, make a chick that looks like one. Don't like Cullen, well hopefully there's an option to ditch or kill him just for you. If not, oh well looks like you'll have to deal with that too.

Until ppl here are actually working or running Bioware, I think we should all calm down and just hope the game comes out, none rushed and with a great story. If none of the content satisfies you, oh well, that's the way to cooky crumbles.

Until then, I tip my hat to all those who think only their preferences matter to the world. Man r you in for a delightful surprise.

[AstraDrakkar]

Actually, I hope they don't consider using any of the previous characters as party members or Love Interests. Before all of you tell me to get lost, here's why. When I found out that Anders and Zevran were back and up for grabs, boy I was excited. Then I saw how Bioware changed the both of them for DA2 and I died a little inside.

Yes, they ruined Anders' mind and Zevran's face.

What could happen to poor Cullen in DA3?

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 14 novembre 2012 - 06:02 .

[LolaLei]

DaHeadVampire wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

I really don't understand the fascination with Cullen. I'm glad he recovered from his ordeal, but I don't see how he's so amazing for the rabid devotion. :|

And really, Cullen again? Why does he keep following the plot around? Is he going to move to Orlais now? :

How he got to kirkwall was a mystery , why not Orlais ? 

By boat, presumably. 

[CuriousArtemis]

LolaLei wrote...

DaHeadVampire wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

I really don't understand the fascination with Cullen. I'm glad he recovered from his ordeal, but I don't see how he's so amazing for the rabid devotion. :|

And really, Cullen again? Why does he keep following the plot around? Is he going to move to Orlais now? :

How he got to kirkwall was a mystery , why not Orlais ? 

By boat, presumably. 

No, he traveled with Merrill's clan xD

[Fredward]

RosaAquafire wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Wow this is going downhill fast. The BSN seems incredibly willing to get its panties (no that is NOT a dig against women/feminists/queens etc) in a wad over political correctness.

"Queens?"

Wow.

ANYWAYS.

Did I miss the politically correct one for that? Oops.


Anyway, is the real issue here not whether the "mage" in question is male of female (because we just KNOW everything on the BSN MUST become a politically correct ****storm [the correct term being defecation/excrement storm]) but whether Cullen would go for a mage anyway? He has a Fenris-esque background but with the added bonus of having a couple of decades worth of knowledge on how to kill them and how bad they are.

[Lotion Soronarr]

VampOrchid wrote...

Why does every fraken thread got to be about color, creed, holes or poles? Really? Wow.

Because shut up?   *cookie to whomever gets the refference*

Because some people have to push their agenda everywhere and see problem that needs their "fixing" everywhere.

People have to grow some thicker skin, insted of whine, whine and whine and cry.  A game is a game and not a soapbox used to fight for whatever is todays popular agenda.

by Blue MAgitek
I really don't understand the fascination with Cullen. I'm glad he
recovered from his ordeal, but I don't see how he's so amazing for the
rabid devotion. :|

The same question could be asked for any fictional character ever.

Some characters simply resonate with some people better. I personally like Cullens character (but not as a romance option).
The last thing I want to see is the PC chaning him.


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With all that said....

The game should kick the player in the nads.
Crush his ego utterly.
LI's should reject him.
Opponents should kick his ass after giving him "The Reason You Suck" speech.
His super-persuation option should backfire every time.

He should end the game as poor, destitute beggar, halucianting great deeds of heroics while sleepign in his own droppings.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...
 He has a Fenris-esque background but with the added bonus of having a couple of decades worth of knowledge on how to kill them and how bad they are. 

But he also does have compassion for mages.  And that compassion hasn't been beaten out of him in spite of both Ferelden and Kirkwall.  Regardless of what Hawke does, he starts to question Meredith's sanity by late Act 2, stands up to her in defense of even the most bats*** pro-mage Hawke, and advocates mercy for mages surrendering if you side with the templars during the end of DA2.  

Personally, I think he's too f***ed up over mages to provide a healthy romance option for a mage PC in DAIII, but it'd certainly be an interesting one.  Given the recent trend in LIs, he might seem downright normal.

[DreGregoire]

I don't think that there is enough information/interaction on/with Cullen for anybody to say without a doubt what goes on in Cullen's mind and he certainly does not show any evidence of being damaged.

Were we told that we wouldn't have access to Kirkwall in DA3? Cullen could be there still or he could have been transfered elsewhere. Conversations in DAO and DA2 did give me the impression that there is a sharing of talent between Circle's, not only in regards to mages but templars as well. Also I was pretty sure that it is rumored that at least Cullen's voice actor will be voice acting for DA3, just a rumor though.

[Sable Rhapsody]

DreGregoire wrote...
I don't think that there is enough information/interaction on/with Cullen for anybody to say without a doubt what goes on in Cullen's mind and he certainly does not show any evidence of being damaged.

Like I said, it's my opinion, and just one element of his personality.  He DOES witness two rather horrifying cases of mage/templar conflict (one in Ferelden, one in Kirkwall), and while it's up in the air how badly they affected him, I don't think any person comes out of that kind of thing unchanged.  

Still, it's anybody's guess how he's changed by DA3, especially giving the changes to his character between Origins and 2.  Regardless of what he thinks of mages, he still seems to be a compassionate and stand-up dude who genuinely wants to do the right thing, and is just conflicted about what the right thing is.  Not a bad place to start for a romance, though probably easier with a non-mage.  If I recall, romancing Fenris with a mage brings up some interesting issues, even though it's still very possible.

Modifié par Sable Rhapsody, 14 novembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[Sabariel]

No. Ew. Gross.

[R2s Muse]

DreGregoire wrote...

I don't think that there is enough information/interaction on/with Cullen for anybody to say without a doubt what goes on in Cullen's mind and he certainly does not show any evidence of being damaged.

Were we told that we wouldn't have access to Kirkwall in DA3? Cullen could be there still or he could have been transfered elsewhere. Conversations in DAO and DA2 did give me the impression that there is a sharing of talent between Circle's, not only in regards to mages but templars as well. Also I was pretty sure that it is rumored that at least Cullen's voice actor will be voice acting for DA3, just a rumor though.

His screentime has been limited, but I think we've gotten some good hints that he's damaged. There are a couple of dialogue options in DA2 that suggest Cullen is suffering from PTSD. I've been told by others are who more knowledgable than I that some of his behavior is textbook. Whether that's true or not, I think his traumatic past sets him up for an interesting future character arc to continue his evolution, if we see him again.

He also seems to have done some  healing since DA:O, and then he gets the rug pulled out from under him again at the end of DA2. He's now experienced two Circles where he's seen the whole spectrum of treatment of and by mages. He's had to decide for himself what he thinks the Order stands for, and as a result, defied his superior officer. So, what does he do now? If there are no Circles anymore, and the "official" Templar Order no longer serves the Divine... what's a dutiful templar to do? He could be an interesting window into that conflict, particularly given his personal growth issues.

Going back to OP's point, if Cullen is a LI, I think it would be fascinating to see how he would deal with a mage PC. I think he'll inevitably have issues with trust, since even in DA2 Act 1 he thinks that templars cannot be friends with mages. But, he's grown a lot, particularly by Act 3, and falling for a mage could even be part of his healing process (LOL or make him regress!). Could be interesting stuff, for those inclined to explore it.

And, will we see him again... ? Greg Ellis is a bit more than just a rumor, since the actor himself tweeted a pic of himself recording "Cullen" lines before he deleted it. But we won't know for some time what happened, whether he was wrong or just an NPC or a trailer VO or... maybe Awakenings!Anders, risen from the grave!  So maybe a strongly suggestive rumor?? 

If he's not in... yeah, disappointed, but I'm looking forward to the game regardless. I don't think anyone need worry about the Cullen thread storming BW headquarters... but we can't speak for all Cullen fans. They come in all shapes and sizes.

[BBK4114]

Masha Potato wrote...

FINE HERE wrote...

... How many Cullen LI threads are there gonna be? Any bets?

It was too much even when there were no threads

Amen brotha, Amen!   

[DreGregoire]

R2s Muse wrote...

There are a couple of dialogue options in DA2 that suggest Cullen is suffering from PTSD. I've been told by others are who more knowledgable than I that some of his behavior is textbook.

There's a-lot more to PTSD than what a person says. Did what happen impact him? Yes, but to take a few lines he says and determine that they are "classic" or to use your term "textbook" PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder) indicators is seriously stretching. Also "textbook" refers to a class room medium and although what a person might learn in a textbook in college is significant, it in no way is what a qualified professional uses to determine if a person has PTSD. Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is not something everybody gets; whereas, being more aware and careful of situations has more to do with having an awareness of how things can go wrong. I certainly am not in a profession that would allow me to diagnose Cullen, but I am in a position to know what the major symptoms of PTSD are and I haven't seen those with Cullen. *shrugs*

[DreGregoire]

Cullen must have done something seriously right at some point in time to get the position he had in Kirkwall. I'm not really sure how old he is suppose to be. I know he was a new templar in DAO or at least new to Harrowings. Hmmm... I wonder if there is some type of time put in before being allowed to be part of a Harrowing. Let's say by the end of DA2 he's in his late 20's, early 30's. What would be really cool is if Cullen is in DAIII, if we could get some of the fill in the blanks information.

How did Cullen go from the completely stressed out mage at the end of the Tower quest to the Knight-Captain of the Kirkwall templars? That would be a story I would be willing to read. Who wrote Cullen?

Edit: Okay according to the DAO toolset Cullen is 24 during DAO (9:30) so that makes him 34 by 9:40. I think that DAIII will start in 9:40 or shortly thereafter. Oh that makes him the same age as Hawke... *waggles eyebrows*

Heh, and here's the neat little write up about him in the DAO toolset. "Trained Templar. Appears in the Mage Origin as being a little sympathetic to the mages' situation. However, events in the Broken Circle have hardened him."

Modifié par DreGregoire, 17 novembre 2012 - 08:09 .

[LolaLei]

DreGregoire wrote...

Cullen must have done something seriously right at some point in time to get the position he had in Kirkwall. I'm not really sure how old he is suppose to be. I know he was a new templar in DAO or at least new to Harrowings. Hmmm... I wonder if there is some type of time put in before being allowed to be part of a Harrowing. Let's say by the end of DA2 he's in his late 20's, early 30's. What would be really cool is if Cullen is in DAIII, if we could get some of the fill in the blanks information.

How did Cullen go from the completely stressed out mage at the end of the Tower quest to the Knight-Captain of the Kirkwall templars? That would be a story I would be willing to read. Who wrote Cullen?

Two people wrote Cullen. One was Sheryl Chee and the other was Jennifer Hepler. I'm not sure which writer wrote him for which game though.

[David Gaider]

AstraDrakkar wrote...
What could happen to poor Cullen in DA3?

I'm sure that, if we did include him in DA3, no matter what direction we take him some people will declare him Ruined FOREVER. I mean, what if we contravened headcanon? Perish the thought. There's so much blank canvas which has been filled in by his fans, it's practically impossible we could do otherwise.

Ultimately, if we do include him, he won't be included for his fans exclusively-- despite the fact they're most likely the ones to claim that's why he'd be present. Those are, after all, the people most likely to be displeased. So any inclusion would be for nefarious purposes of our own. Or to make his fans cry bitter tears. Both are worthy goals, insofar as we're concerned.

That, of course, depends on us including him in any capacity.

[LolaLei]

David Gaider wrote...

AstraDrakkar wrote...
What could happen to poor Cullen in DA3?

I'm sure that, if we did include him in DA3, no matter what direction we take him some people will declare him Ruined FOREVER. I mean, what if we contravened headcanon? Perish the thought. There's so much blank canvas which has been filled in by his fans, it's practically impossible we could do otherwise.

Ultimately, if we do include him, he won't be included for his fans exclusively-- despite the fact they're most likely the ones to claim that's why he'd be present. Those are, after all, the people most likely to be displeased. So any inclusion would be for nefarious purposes of our own. Or to make his fans cry bitter tears. Both are worthy goals, insofar as we're concerned.

That, of course, depends on us including him in any capacity.

Naw, we'd be cool with whatever you to do with him... well, at least us ladies (and gents) from the Cullen thread would be. Can't speak for the others though.

[DreGregoire]

oops didn't mean to do that. Sorry.

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Hmmm actually since it's here. In my head Cullen will be in DAIII, even if he isn't put there by the devs! Hey my warden made it to Kirkwall in my head. Surely Cullen can do the same for DAIII. LOL!

Modifié par DreGregoire, 14 novembre 2012 - 07:56 .

[David Gaider]

LolaLei wrote...
Naw, we'd be cool with whatever you to do with him... well, at least us ladies (and gents) from the Cullen thread would be.

You say that now.

EVIL LAUGHTER.gif

[Battlebloodmage]

David Gaider wrote...

AstraDrakkar wrote...
What could happen to poor Cullen in DA3?

I'm sure that, if we did include him in DA3, no matter what direction we take him some people will declare him Ruined FOREVER. I mean, what if we contravened headcanon? Perish the thought. There's so much blank canvas which has been filled in by his fans, it's practically impossible we could do otherwise.

Ultimately, if we do include him, he won't be included for his fans exclusively-- despite the fact they're most likely the ones to claim that's why he'd be present. Those are, after all, the people most likely to be displeased. So any inclusion would be for nefarious purposes of our own. Or to make his fans cry bitter tears. Both are worthy goals, insofar as we're concerned.

That, of course, depends on us including him in any capacity.

That's evil.

I like Cullen to be a companion, but if he's not, it would be okay as well. A lot of us have expressed similar attitude regarding that. If he's in the game, great, if he's not, we may be disappointed, we will get over it quickly. I care more mostly about whether or not the companions are relevant to the storyline rather than pleasing the fans. Most of Cullen fans are pretty stable and usually a very happy bunch who dwells exclusively on DA2 page. I don't think people will make protest signs all over BSN, maybe one for People for Ethical Treatment of Mages.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 14 novembre 2012 - 07:55 .

[LolaLei]

David Gaider wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
Naw, we'd be cool with whatever you to do with him... well, at least us ladies (and gents) from the Cullen thread would be.

You say that now.

EVIL LAUGHTER.gif

Hey, I'll send you extra cake if you make us cry!

Break my heart Gaider! 

[Battlebloodmage]

LolaLei wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

AstraDrakkar wrote...
What could happen to poor Cullen in DA3?

I'm sure that, if we did include him in DA3, no matter what direction we take him some people will declare him Ruined FOREVER. I mean, what if we contravened headcanon? Perish the thought. There's so much blank canvas which has been filled in by his fans, it's practically impossible we could do otherwise.

Ultimately, if we do include him, he won't be included for his fans exclusively-- despite the fact they're most likely the ones to claim that's why he'd be present. Those are, after all, the people most likely to be displeased. So any inclusion would be for nefarious purposes of our own. Or to make his fans cry bitter tears. Both are worthy goals, insofar as we're concerned.

That, of course, depends on us including him in any capacity.

Naw, we'd be cool with whatever you to do with him... well, at least us ladies (and gents) from the Cullen thread would be. Can't speak for the others though.

Hey, we posted almost the same thing. Great minds think alike.