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[Ashen One]

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

would a 161K geth/gold with the CSMG on the Destroyer make anyone reconsider this weapon?

I know, I know.. all the damage probably came from my hawk ML or "X" weapon could have worked better..

Considering that it would probably be 280k with a Particle Rifle, Typhoon or Harrier probably not.

Using a weapon which has low weight as one of it's greatest advantages on a class that generally doesn't care about the weight system is usually never a good idea.

There are a few exceptions like the Piranha and Indra...

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 13 novembre 2012 - 10:21 .

[Ashen One]

Feneckus wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

Using the reasons you listed, why would someone playing a QE use a CSMG as a primary weapon over a Wraith? 

The CSMG has pretty much unlimited range. Against collectors for example, getting close is sometimes not an option because of scions, so a few pellets will miss. You can't miss with the CSMG, and you get 90% headshots.

The Wraith is still incredibly accurate at mid-long range unless you skipped the smart choke, and retains quite a bit of it's damage unless you're far away enough that you would be better off using something like a sniper rifle.

Near perfect accuracy at sniper rifle range sounds more like a strong situational benefit for a good sidearm considering how most fighting in this game occurs at mid range.

[Xaijin]

upinya slayin wrote...

I know before how i said its awesome for a caster class and its no hurricane etc etc, but it really is usuable as a primary weapon. I used nothing but the CSMG this game. No powers no nothing. Just CSMG. Such and easy challenge to complete



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Try using it on cerberus or collectors. With AP rounds you have slow ass marauders and cannibals with giant heads that just stand there and more than enough bullets to F up a ravager with sac busting.

It's an OK gun with decent accuracy, no more, no less. It's not god's gift to anything, and it's not even the second best SMG if you're throwing level IV amps around.

Here's the thing, and no amount of theory crafting will change this. If another gun has better stats, NO AMOUNT OF AMPS WILL CHANGE THAT.

Ever.

Fullstop.

The end.

Just because you find a gun likeable or easy to use does not and NEVER WILL change the base utility of the weapon. A GPR will never be a typhoon, and if you slap all the amps you could have put on a PPR on a GPR and then crow about how improved it is, you are doing nothing but fabricating things to yourself and misrepresenting the weapon through completely subjective means.

Unless the balance team completely reworks a weapon through MASSIVE changes, it's subjective theory work at best. Plenty of folks around that dig up the mechanics and give them out for everyone to use.

2nd place is second place. Your Lamborghini may be your favorite car, and you may know it like the back of your hand; the simple fact is it's never going to go as fast as that new vector, ever, period; unless Lamboghini decides to do something rather drastic with the engine and power train.

These threads are nice to alleviate boredom and the like, but the stats are pretty much in stone unless a weapon has some kind of hidden mechanic, which is hardly ever the case.

Modifié par Xaijin, 13 novembre 2012 - 10:38 .

[ASmoothCriminalx]

Ashen Earth wrote...

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

would a 161K geth/gold with the CSMG on the Destroyer make anyone reconsider this weapon?

I know, I know.. all the damage probably came from my hawk ML or "X" weapon could have worked better..

Considering that it would probably be 280k with a Particle Rifle, Typhoon or Harrier probably not.

Using a weapon which has low weight as one of it's greatest advantages on a class that generally doesn't care about the weight system is usually never a good idea.

There are a few exceptions like the Piranha and Indra...

What type of "milking" are you doing, man? Those objectives, although worthless to me now, need to get done and preferably in the 1.5 minute mark and those teammates, well I like to revive them.

I'm joking ( only slightly). But yes, the score could have been higher. I was playing with one pretty good player who managed 100K with a Havoc Soldier and a harrier.

Modifié par ASmoothCriminalx, 13 novembre 2012 - 10:40 .

[upinya slayin]

Ashen Earth wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

One can make the argument that the javelin is outclassed in every way as well as a BW can do more damage in 2 of its 3 shots then the javelin does in its 1. even with reload canceling it can't perform as good as a BW.

Anyone making that argument is probably retarded though. The Javelin can kill any non-boss enemy in the game with one shot, (including Phantoms/Pyros) which means you're not exposed as long as you would be using a BW. The Javelin has a built in thermal scope, and 4x as much innate cover penetration as the Black Widow.

The Black Widow's sustained DPS advantage only really matters when you're fighting boss enemies, because a Javelin will kill anything smaller in one shot. The Black Widow's sustained DPS advantage is even less significant when you factor in boss weak points. A Javelin can 2 shot kill a Banshee for example, and reliably stagger them out of their teleport cycles/interrupt instakills.

They both have advantages and disadvantages over one another, but for someone to say the BW outclasses the Javelin in every way is just.... lol

your also assuming eveyrone is landing a headhsot 100% of the time (which even the most elite can't do) 99% of players would do better with a BW then a javelin. 

The javelin Is a good gun in the right hands but its extremly hard to use with a huge penalty for missed shots. plus with teh charge and lag issues makes it even harder. compared to a BW which fires 3 instant shots. Maybe its a bit overbaord to say its outclassed in eevry way, but the same could be said when people say teh hurricane outclasss the CSMG in eevry way. there is no gun that outclasses every other gun in every way. they all have positives and negatives.

And i'd like to see a banshee get 2 shotted with a javelin. that might be a slight exageration. maybe 3 shots (since harpoon used to 3 shot a prime back in the day) but 2 seems kinda small

[Parallax Demon]

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

would a 161K geth/gold with the CSMG on the Destroyer make anyone reconsider this weapon?

I know, I know.. all the damage probably came from my hawk ML or "X" weapon could have worked better..

Considering that it would probably be 280k with a Particle Rifle, Typhoon or Harrier probably not.

Using a weapon which has low weight as one of it's greatest advantages on a class that generally doesn't care about the weight system is usually never a good idea.

There are a few exceptions like the Piranha and Indra...

What type of "milking" are you doing, man? Those objectives, although worthless to me now, need to get done and preferably in the 1.5 minute mark and those teammates, well I like to revive them.

I'm joking ( only slightly). But yes, the score could have been higher. I was playing with one pretty good player who managed 100K with a Havoc Soldier and a harrier.

And what would you have scored when you actually used a good gun?

If you want to post a stupid thread nowadays, you only have to use a subpar weapon on a GI/Destroyer and enter a Gold Pug and make a picture of how good you are.

[upinya slayin]

LadyNemsis21 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

LadyNemsis21 wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

LadyNemsis21 wrote...

Yours is at a 10 right? Mine is still at a 2....not saying its bad. Totally agree with you but a two...its meh okay...

noooo. what kind of DB has it at X?

Try it with magazine and AP mods on a caster. you'll love it

What kind of noob do you think I am Slayin! Jeez!


  Use it on my Valkyrie, QME and Drell Adept. Its challenging to use at first but I've gotten pretty good about not using up all the ammo. But I still run to the ammo box on occasion out of habit.

the funniest thing with the DLC is watching people (i'e done it to) try to grab ammo form the basement where teh box used to be while passing by.

Also lets assassinate all things tonight! i wanna get ripper in a party while he plays COD to hear him rage lol

I still go to that spot on occassion Old habits die hard. I'll try to get on tonight but I'm sick so its a wait and see. Its so much fun assassinating you Slayin'.

Assassinate all things :innocent:

[Ashen One]

upinya slayin wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

One can make the argument that the javelin is outclassed in every way as well as a BW can do more damage in 2 of its 3 shots then the javelin does in its 1. even with reload canceling it can't perform as good as a BW.

Anyone making that argument is probably retarded though. The Javelin can kill any non-boss enemy in the game with one shot, (including Phantoms/Pyros) which means you're not exposed as long as you would be using a BW. The Javelin has a built in thermal scope, and 4x as much innate cover penetration as the Black Widow.

The Black Widow's sustained DPS advantage only really matters when you're fighting boss enemies, because a Javelin will kill anything smaller in one shot. The Black Widow's sustained DPS advantage is even less significant when you factor in boss weak points. A Javelin can 2 shot kill a Banshee for example, and reliably stagger them out of their teleport cycles/interrupt instakills.

They both have advantages and disadvantages over one another, but for someone to say the BW outclasses the Javelin in every way is just.... lol

your also assuming eveyrone is landing a headhsot 100% of the time (which even the most elite can't do) 99% of players would do better with a BW then a javelin.

Phasic Rounds pretty much do away with all of that. Any non-boss dies with a body shot.

upinya slayin wrote...

Maybe its a bit overbaord to say its outclassed in eevry way, but the same could be said when people say teh hurricane outclasss the CSMG in eevry way. there is no gun that outclasses every other gun in every way. they all have positives and negatives.

The Hurricane has worse accuracy and more recoil than the CSMG. The CSMG is a better sidearm to something like the Piranha than the Hurricane...

Although there are some weapons that outclass others in every way. (Talon/Eviscerator comparision comes to mind)

upinya slayin wrote...
And i'd like to see a banshee get 2 shotted with a javelin. that might be a slight exageration. maybe 3 shots (since harpoon used to 3 shot a prime back in the day) but 2 seems kinda small

It's really not an exaggeration. Try landing two headshots a with a GI (full weapon damage passives, sniper rifle amp V rail amp III Warp Ammo IV) on a Banshee that has been debuffed by Proxy Mine.

Modifié par Ashen Earth, 13 novembre 2012 - 10:55 .

[upinya slayin]

Xaijin wrote...

Try using it on cerberus or collectors. With AP rounds you have slow ass marauders and cannibals with giant heads that just stand there and more than enough bullets to F up a ravager with sac busting.

It's an OK gun with decent accuracy, no more, no less. It's not god's gift to anything, and it's not even the second best SMG if you're throwing level IV amps around.

Here's the thing, and no amount of theory crafting will change this. If another gun has better stats, NO AMOUNT OF AMPS WILL CHANGE THAT.

Ever.

Fullstop.

The end.

Just because you find a gun likeable or easy to use does not and NEVER WILL change the base utility of the weapon. A GPR will never be a typhoon, and if you slap all the amps you could have put on a PPR on a GPR and then crow about how improved it is, you are doing nothing but fabricating things to yourself and misrepresenting the weapon through completely subjective means.

Unless the balance team completely reworks a weapon through MASSIVE changes, it's subjective theory work at best. Plenty of folks around that dig up the mechanics and give them out for everyone to use.

2nd place is second place. Your Lamborghini may be your favorite car, and you may know it like the back of your hand; the simple fact is it's never going to go as fast as that new vector, ever, period; unless Lamboghini decides to do something rather drastic with the engine and power train.

These threads are nice to alleviate boredom and the like, but the stats are pretty much in stone unless a weapon has some kind of hidden mechanic, which is hardly ever the case.

that was an U'U game (as you can tell fomr the xp) but i did get one with ceberus and it was even easier. Burst fire pahntoms in the head after the fli. they just keep flipping back and forth to teh same spot. i never have to reload as ammo is back by the time they finish teh flip. gguards are a piece of cake. dragoons got destroyed with easy headshots. centurians are as easy as cannibals as are engineers. nemeisis just be next to them and they don't shoot you, and atlas once down to armor it destroys them too.

ceberus was easier then reapers using it. I've used it against all 4 factions.

Also stats and in game usage are 2 different anmials. People who rely on pure stats to back them up are fully unaware of how things work in game. all the numbers on paper mean nothing while your going to work. as some people noted the tempets has one of teh best sustained DPS in the game (IDK if its trrue or not, but several people stated it in this thread) but its a crap weapon IMO.

[Feneckus]

Ashen Earth wrote...

The Wraith is still incredibly accurate at mid-long range

It is, but against scions for example, not all pellets will hit the head, a few might even miss the target entirely. While the Collector SMG will get headshot after headshot and a 150% damage bonus vs armor, which you can take full advantage of with Cryo Blast.

Look how fast a CSMG can drop two scions : http://www.youtube.c...4I7jms#t=01m00s

The second one only had a single debuff, and I could have done the same thing at long range. The Wraith can't do that.

Without amps/gear it might suck though, if you only use it as a secondary weapon it's no wonder you think it's a subpar weapon.

upinya slayin wrote...

The javelin Is a good gun in the right hands but its extremly hard to use with a huge penalty for missed shots.

Javelin > Black Widow just as Claymore > Piranha. 

[upinya slayin]

Ashen Earth wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

One can make the argument that the javelin is outclassed in every way as well as a BW can do more damage in 2 of its 3 shots then the javelin does in its 1. even with reload canceling it can't perform as good as a BW.

Anyone making that argument is probably retarded though. The Javelin can kill any non-boss enemy in the game with one shot, (including Phantoms/Pyros) which means you're not exposed as long as you would be using a BW. The Javelin has a built in thermal scope, and 4x as much innate cover penetration as the Black Widow.

The Black Widow's sustained DPS advantage only really matters when you're fighting boss enemies, because a Javelin will kill anything smaller in one shot. The Black Widow's sustained DPS advantage is even less significant when you factor in boss weak points. A Javelin can 2 shot kill a Banshee for example, and reliably stagger them out of their teleport cycles/interrupt instakills.

They both have advantages and disadvantages over one another, but for someone to say the BW outclasses the Javelin in every way is just.... lol

your also assuming eveyrone is landing a headhsot 100% of the time (which even the most elite can't do) 99% of players would do better with a BW then a javelin.

Phasic Rounds pretty much do away with all of that. Any non-boss dies with a body shot.

upinya slayin wrote...

Maybe its a bit overbaord to say its outclassed in eevry way, but the same could be said when people say teh hurricane outclasss the CSMG in eevry way. there is no gun that outclasses every other gun in every way. they all have positives and negatives.

The Hurricane has worse accuracy and more recoil than the CSMG. The CSMG is a better sidearm to something like the Piranha than the Hurricane...

Although there are some weapons that outclass others in every way. (Talon/Eviscerator comparision comes to mind)

upinya slayin wrote...
And i'd like to see a banshee get 2 shotted with a javelin. that might be a slight exageration. maybe 3 shots (since harpoon used to 3 shot a prime back in the day) but 2 seems kinda small

It's really not an exaggeration. Try landing two headshots a with a GI (full weapon damage passives, sniper rifle amp V rail amp III Warp Ammo IV) on a Banshee that has been debuffed by Proxy Mine.

Seems interesting. i might give that a try.

[ASmoothCriminalx]

Parallax Demon wrote...

And what would you have scored when you actually used a good gun?

If you want to post a stupid thread nowadays, you only have to use a subpar weapon on a GI/Destroyer and enter a Gold Pug and make a picture of how good you are.

I was using a good gun (That's the point). There was nothing wrong with my setup for gold. If I were to take the same kit to Platinum (And I have), then it would be a different story and it would be less useful.

Hunters, pyros, and troopers melted. And primes' armor could be taken down rather quickly, although my setup wasn't great for their shields. Considering how limited a controller is, I'm surprised more PC players aren't defending the weapon. Although, it might take a CSMG X.. I don't know.

With a Harrier I may have scored an extra 30-50K. But, that's the harrier. I'm not out to say the CSMG can compete with the best weapons in the game. I simply want to refute the people who say it is worthless and awful.

Modifié par ASmoothCriminalx, 13 novembre 2012 - 11:05 .

[Stardusk]

Feneckus wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

The Wraith is still incredibly accurate at mid-long range

It is, but against scions for example, not all pellets will hit the head, a few might even miss the target entirely. While the Collector SMG will get headshot after headshot and a 150% damage bonus vs armor, which you can take full advantage of with Cryo Blast.

Look how fast a CSMG can drop two scions : http://www.youtube.c...4I7jms#t=01m00s

The second one only had a single debuff, and I could have done the same thing at long range. The Wraith can't do that.

Without amps/gear it might suck though, if you only use it as a secondary weapon it's no wonder you think it's a subpar weapon.

upinya slayin wrote...

The javelin Is a good gun in the right hands but its extremly hard to use with a huge penalty for missed shots.

Javelin > Black Widow just as Claymore > Piranha. 

LOL. Yeah, sniping with the Black Widow is just as easy as firing the Pirahna, must be the reason every PUG uses a BW and does so well with it.

[Xaijin]

Feneckus wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

The Wraith is still incredibly accurate at mid-long range

It is, but against scions for example, not all pellets will hit the head, a few might even miss the target entirely. While the Collector SMG will get headshot after headshot and a 150% damage bonus vs armor, which you can take full advantage of with Cryo Blast.

Look how fast a CSMG can drop two scions : http://www.youtube.c...4I7jms#t=01m00s

The second one only had a single debuff, and I could have done the same thing at long range. The Wraith can't do that.

Without amps/gear it might suck though, if you only use it as a secondary weapon it's no wonder you think it's a subpar weapon.

upinya slayin wrote...

The javelin Is a good gun in the right hands but its extremly hard to use with a huge penalty for missed shots.

Javelin > Black Widow just as Claymore > Piranha. 

The issue isn't subpar, the issue is "amazing", especially amazing in reagrds to other weapons.

The answer is it's a solid and accurate gun and nothing more. It's not "amazing" in any respect, esp when amps or mods are brought up.

stats only

Problem is, when someone is good with every weapon, you still have a baseline of application. The weapons being argued in this thread don't have odd mechanics. You shoot them, they do damage. No Scorpion or Krysae or Venom or Reegar style mechanics are applicable. The weapon's stats are solid, they are not jaw dropping. In any respect.

[Feneckus]

Stardusk wrote...

LOL. Yeah, sniping with the Black Widow is just as easy as firing the Pirahna, must be the reason every PUG uses a BW and does so well with it.

I was just trying to compare single shot weapons with weapons that take multiple seconds to empty their clips. Ease of use was not part of the equation.

[landylan]

I only have it at II right now....

No offense, but the match was really long... I think some of your teammates may have been mentally challenged as well. PUGs... smh.

It also applies ammo bonuses weirdly for me. I used it on a HE with incendiary, and it nearly instantly applied the ammo effect. I could reset the FE if I detonated incinerate though. I used disruptor ammo, and it didn't "appear" to apply the ammo effect as fast as incendiary. I should've been detonating a TB with every OL, but I wasn't.... Just some weird observations. Does anyone understand these mechanics?

[Stardusk]

Feneckus wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

LOL. Yeah, sniping with the Black Widow is just as easy as firing the Pirahna, must be the reason every PUG uses a BW and does so well with it.

I was just trying to compare single shot weapons with weapons that take multiple seconds to empty their clips. Ease of use was not part of the equation.

Fair enough. The Javelin is harder to use than the BW but using the BW well still requires skill and good aim. 

[Parallax Demon]

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

And what would you have scored when you actually used a good gun?

If you want to post a stupid thread nowadays, you only have to use a subpar weapon on a GI/Destroyer and enter a Gold Pug and make a picture of how good you are.

I was using a good gun (That's the point). There was nothing wrong with my setup for gold. If I were to take the same kit to Platinum (And I have), then it would be a different story and it would be much less useful.

Hunters, pyros, and troopers melted. And primes' armor could be taken down rather quickly, although my setup wasn't great for their shields. Considering how limited a controller is, I'm surprised more PC players aren't defending the weapon. Although, it might take a CSMG X.. I don't know.

With a Harrier I may have scored an extra 30-50K. But, that's the harrier. I'm not out to say the CSMG can compete with the best weapons in the game. I simply want to refute the people who say it is worthless and awful.

At level 2 it's awful. You need all consumables to kill anything on Bronze (I was using it lately on a Volus Adept, and got numerous headshots, while the Collector Trooper was in Stasis).

Mayby it's a lot better on level X, but it just is very poor on lvl 2 on Bronze (the level nobody use any consumables on).

The Disciple is 100 times better on Bronze than the CSMG Imo. With the Disciple I could kill troopers in one or two shots, with the CSMG I only could kill a trooper with numerous headshots in a row, or I had to wait till that stupid gun refilled it's ammo to make the final blow.

[joker_jack]

Xaijin wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Ashen Earth wrote...

The Wraith is still incredibly accurate at mid-long range

It is, but against scions for example, not all pellets will hit the head, a few might even miss the target entirely. While the Collector SMG will get headshot after headshot and a 150% damage bonus vs armor, which you can take full advantage of with Cryo Blast.

Look how fast a CSMG can drop two scions : http://www.youtube.c...4I7jms#t=01m00s

The second one only had a single debuff, and I could have done the same thing at long range. The Wraith can't do that.

Without amps/gear it might suck though, if you only use it as a secondary weapon it's no wonder you think it's a subpar weapon.

upinya slayin wrote...

The javelin Is a good gun in the right hands but its extremly hard to use with a huge penalty for missed shots.

Javelin > Black Widow just as Claymore > Piranha. 

The issue isn't subpar, the issue is "amazing", especially amazing in reagrds to other weapons.

The answer is it's a solid and accurate gun and nothing more. It's not "amazing" in any respect, esp when amps or mods are brought up.

stats only

Problem is, when someone is good with every weapon, you still have a baseline of application. The weapons being argued in this thread don't have odd mechanics. You shoot them, they do damage. No Scorpion or Krysae or Venom or Reegar style mechanics are applicable. The weapon's stats are solid, they are not jaw dropping. In any respect.

Wraith on a gi does some of the craziest I've seen on a shotgun with the sickest acuracy. OP the fact you have a csmg on an infiltrator doesn't help your case. Not to mention the dps will no where near produce the kind of results you are saying and with just a couple of screen shots and no video, for all we know you used a ppr.

[Stardusk]

Parallax Demon wrote...

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

And what would you have scored when you actually used a good gun?

If you want to post a stupid thread nowadays, you only have to use a subpar weapon on a GI/Destroyer and enter a Gold Pug and make a picture of how good you are.

I was using a good gun (That's the point). There was nothing wrong with my setup for gold. If I were to take the same kit to Platinum (And I have), then it would be a different story and it would be much less useful.

Hunters, pyros, and troopers melted. And primes' armor could be taken down rather quickly, although my setup wasn't great for their shields. Considering how limited a controller is, I'm surprised more PC players aren't defending the weapon. Although, it might take a CSMG X.. I don't know.

With a Harrier I may have scored an extra 30-50K. But, that's the harrier. I'm not out to say the CSMG can compete with the best weapons in the game. I simply want to refute the people who say it is worthless and awful.

At level 2 it's awful. You need all consumables to kill anything on Bronze (I was using it lately on a Volus Adept, and got numerous headshots, while the Collector Trooper was in Stasis).

Mayby it's a lot better on level X, but it just is very poor on lvl 2 on Bronze (the level nobody use any consumables on).

The Disciple is 100 times better on Bronze than the CSMG Imo. With the Disciple I could kill troopers in one or two shots, with the CSMG I only could kill a trooper with numerous headshots in a row, or I had to wait till that stupid gun refilled it's ammo to make the final blow.

I have a guide on this weapon forthcoming. You are right, it is garbage below V and even just decent up to X. At X it is good but that is ridiculous that is is garbage at low levels.

[capn233]

Stardusk wrote...

I have a guide on this weapon forthcoming. You are right, it is garbage below V and even just decent up to X. At X it is good but that is ridiculous that is is garbage at low levels.

Design problem for Ultra Rares that has been persistent.  UR's should have fairly narrow spec ranges.

[Parallax Demon]

Stardusk wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

Parallax Demon wrote...

And what would you have scored when you actually used a good gun?

If you want to post a stupid thread nowadays, you only have to use a subpar weapon on a GI/Destroyer and enter a Gold Pug and make a picture of how good you are.

I was using a good gun (That's the point). There was nothing wrong with my setup for gold. If I were to take the same kit to Platinum (And I have), then it would be a different story and it would be much less useful.

Hunters, pyros, and troopers melted. And primes' armor could be taken down rather quickly, although my setup wasn't great for their shields. Considering how limited a controller is, I'm surprised more PC players aren't defending the weapon. Although, it might take a CSMG X.. I don't know.

With a Harrier I may have scored an extra 30-50K. But, that's the harrier. I'm not out to say the CSMG can compete with the best weapons in the game. I simply want to refute the people who say it is worthless and awful.

At level 2 it's awful. You need all consumables to kill anything on Bronze (I was using it lately on a Volus Adept, and got numerous headshots, while the Collector Trooper was in Stasis).

Mayby it's a lot better on level X, but it just is very poor on lvl 2 on Bronze (the level nobody use any consumables on).

The Disciple is 100 times better on Bronze than the CSMG Imo. With the Disciple I could kill troopers in one or two shots, with the CSMG I only could kill a trooper with numerous headshots in a row, or I had to wait till that stupid gun refilled it's ammo to make the final blow.

I have a guide on this weapon forthcoming. You are right, it is garbage below V and even just decent up to X. At X it is good but that is ridiculous that is is garbage at low levels.

Good to hear

I was totally confussed about this thread, as this weapon was complete garbarge Imo. Was using it with a friend, and he asked why in the hell I was using this gun, as it's probably the worst gun in ME3.
All I could say is that is must be better than the Shuriken, even though I never tried that SMG.

[upinya slayin]

landylan wrote...

I only have it at II right now....

No offense, but the match was really long... I think some of your teammates may have been mentally challenged as well. PUGs... smh.

It also applies ammo bonuses weirdly for me. I used it on a HE with incendiary, and it nearly instantly applied the ammo effect. I could reset the FE if I detonated incinerate though. I used disruptor ammo, and it didn't "appear" to apply the ammo effect as fast as incendiary. I should've been detonating a TB with every OL, but I wasn't.... Just some weird observations. Does anyone understand these mechanics?

Maybe if you were online more lately you could have killed everything for me while i made a sandwhich

But it does apply ammo effects really well for me.

On a sidenote, are you getting AC3?

[landylan]

upinya slayin wrote...

Maybe if you were online more lately you could have killed everything for me while i made a sandwhich

But it does apply ammo effects really well for me.

On a sidenote, are you getting AC3?

One time he was like,"Hold on. Let me fix my dog a snack because I love my fluffy wuffy." I wanted to shoot myself.

I'm planning on getting it eventually. I'll never play it online though because I think that costs extra because of them greedy Ubisoft manwhoricles. I'm going to buy Dishonored and some DLC from Bethesda once I'm bored of BL2.

[upinya slayin]

landylan wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

Maybe if you were online more lately you could have killed everything for me while i made a sandwhich

But it does apply ammo effects really well for me.

On a sidenote, are you getting AC3?

One time he was like,"Hold on. Let me fix my dog a snack because I love my fluffy wuffy." I wanted to shoot myself.

I'm planning on getting it eventually. I'll never play it online though because I think that costs extra because of them greedy Ubisoft manwhoricles. I'm going to buy Dishonored and some DLC from Bethesda once I'm bored of BL2.

Lol i could so see him saying that. one time he wanted me and ripper to do a gold with him in the game doing nothing while he took his dogs for a walk and when we like no he's like its not my fault i have stuff to do. And i was like go walk your dog and you can play when you get back. in the emantime we'll play with a random lol.

and AC3 doens't cost anything for online play (unless you buy used like how ME3 is) and the MP is really fun. It has an ability unlock system like BW does (spend in game credits or real money to unlock) but its not RNG. you can pick what you want. takes only like a week or 2 to unlock eveyrthing and like andother week or 2 to max it all out (depending on how much you play) doens't take the 500 hours like ME3 does. its really quick and easy to unlock everything.