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[SeptimusMagistos]

Sinekein wrote...

To cut the whole thing short : some people don't like Aria because there is no Renegade interruption after the "Don't **** with Aria" line.


It doesn't matter that, unlike other crime bosses, she obviously respects Shepard (and fears him/her, hence the "scanning" part), and that she is neutral to helpful to him/her. There is no way to kill her, so people hate Aria. End of the story.

First off: it really doesn't matter that she's helpful. She's still a crime lord. Under almost any other cricumstances that would mean an instant death sentence, regardless of how many guards she has in the room.

More importantly: I don't necessarily want to be able to kill her. All I want is an option to let her know that I consider working with her to be beneath Shepard, and that I'm not buying her badass act. Given that Shepard can show blatant disrespect towards three of the most powerful elected officials in the galaxy, is it really too much to ask that he's not forced to respect a jumped-up warlord?

[KBomb]

andy69156915 wrote...


She most definitely does respect Shepard. Aria definitely likes Shepard. She says that she doesn't like to give information out freely, yet she still tells Shepard everything she knows (about Garrus, about Mordin, and even about a certain ardat yakshi) for absolutely no cost, at a mere asking from Shepard. She lets you sit in
her VIP area with her around her "throne" and her guards have obviously been given standing orders to let you freely walk up to and talk to her after the first scan to prove it's you, she slowly learns to trust you enough that she actually tells you a bit about her past if you ask after helping her krogan and give her that datapad showing the gangs were going for her next. If she doesn't like Shepard, she at least respects him/her as much as someone like Aria can respect anyone.

And this isn't even getting into you being allowed to take care of the merc bosses in the way you see fit in ME3, given much leeway and freedom in how you do it. And bringing you to her couch if you get wasted and you wake up on it (don't push her generosity though, if you drink yourself out a second time in a row you wake up in the elevator... If you were dumb enough to once again not know your limits, she's not kindly putting you on the couch again).

Haha. I never got drunk twice. Pretty funny you end up in the elevator. Shepard can fall through the atmosphere and hit a planet head-on, but cannot hold his hooch.

[KBomb]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

First off: it really doesn't matter that she's helpful. She's still a crime lord. Under almost any other cricumstances that would mean an instant death sentence, regardless of how many guards she has in the room.

More importantly: I don't necessarily want to be able to kill her. All I want is an option to let her know that I consider working with her to be beneath Shepard, and that I'm not buying her badass act. Given that Shepard can show blatant disrespect towards three of the most powerful elected officials in the galaxy, is it really too much to ask that he's not forced to respect a jumped-up warlord?

So, it is less about who she is and more about your own ego. That is an issue your Shepard will have to work out. My Shep knows she's boss and doesn't sweat the small stuff. She has a galaxy to save and Aria's politeness is at the bottom of her "Give a ****" list.

[SeptimusMagistos]

KBomb wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

First off: it really doesn't matter that she's helpful. She's still a crime lord. Under almost any other cricumstances that would mean an instant death sentence, regardless of how many guards she has in the room.

More importantly: I don't necessarily want to be able to kill her. All I want is an option to let her know that I consider working with her to be beneath Shepard, and that I'm not buying her badass act. Given that Shepard can show blatant disrespect towards three of the most powerful elected officials in the galaxy, is it really too much to ask that he's not forced to respect a jumped-up warlord?

So, it is less about who she is and more about your own ego. That is an issue your Shepard will have to work out. My Shep knows she's boss and doesn't sweat the small stuff. She has a galaxy to save and Aria's politeness is at the bottom of her "Give a ****" list.

It's a little of both, really. But yes, I would like my Shepard to have the option to work out this issue.

[KBomb]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

It's a little of both, really. But yes, I would like my Shepard to have the option to work out this issue.

At least you're honest. I can understand a little from where you're coming from. I remember wanting Marcus to kick Griffin in the face during GoW3, but it wasn't a big deal to me. Aria is a complex character and I like that she doesn't adhere to normal politeness, especially since everyone swoons over Shepard. She was only a wise-ass to my Shepard until she trusted her a little more, then I can't remember her being a tool. She was pretty neutral, actually.

Question: When you first met Wrex, did you like him?

[Sinekein]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

First off: it really doesn't matter that she's helpful. She's still a crime lord. Under almost any other cricumstances that would mean an instant death sentence, regardless of how many guards she has in the room.

More importantly: I don't necessarily want to be able to kill her. All I want is an option to let her know that I consider working with her to be beneath Shepard, and that I'm not buying her badass act. Given that Shepard can show blatant disrespect towards three of the most powerful elected officials in the galaxy, is it really too much to ask that he's not forced to respect a jumped-up warlord?

During ME2, Shepard is working for Cerberus, who assassinated an Alliance Admiral and made an unit be slaughtered by thresher maws, among other crimes. He is ready to work with the founder of the Blue Suns, and with a biotic who openly admits being a mass murderer, and with an assassin, and with a thief.

On the evil scale, Aria is really low compared to The Illusive Man or some of your squadmates. She seems to be the lesser of two evils, because unlike her opponents, she actually seems to care about Omega.

If you want to have this option, then you should ask for the same to Kasumi, Jack, Zaeed and Thane I guess. I understand that some players want to play Knight in Shining Armor Shepard, but the whole "Working for Cerberus" part doesn't quite fit with it. Plus, it's showed more than once that people are trying to get rid of Aria. If she acts like a puppy to Shepard, she will appear to be weak, which is not what a crime lord wants, usually. Unless he plans to trick someone.

(Plus, the meeting between Aria and Tevos/her replacement in ME3 kind of shows how "powerful" the Council is - Shepard being a Spectre, they can't really do anything to him/her, especially withdrawing his/her status since it would create a diplomatic ****storm, as Udina says).

[The5Virtues]

I think Aria, as a character, is great. What I dislike is that, in the games, she really does just feel like she's there to give Carrie-Anne Moss a cameo appearance.
I should note here that I greatly dislike Carrie-Anne Moss. I absolutely despised Trinity in the Matrix, and that was my first and encounter with the actress. As a result, when I see/hear Aria, all I can think of is Trinity, which leads me to the Matrix, which leads me to shoddy final acts, which leads me right back to Mass Effect 3. As a result when I think of things I dislike about Mass Effect, I immediately think of Aria. So really, it's not Aria herself I dislike... It's Trinity and the Matrix.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Aria's fine. I just wish she wouldn't take up screentime that could be used fixing all the other problems with ME3.

[Sinekein]

The5Virtues wrote...

I think Aria, as a character, is great. What I dislike is that, in the games, she really does just feel like she's there to give Carrie-Anne Moss a cameo appearance.
I should note here that I greatly dislike Carrie-Anne Moss. I absolutely despised Trinity in the Matrix, and that was my first and encounter with the actress. As a result, when I see/hear Aria, all I can think of is Trinity, which leads me to the Matrix, which leads me to shoddy final acts, which leads me right back to Mass Effect 3. As a result when I think of things I dislike about Mass Effect, I immediately think of Aria. So really, it's not Aria herself I dislike... It's Trinity and the Matrix.

Watch Memento then.

[SeptimusMagistos]

KBomb wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

It's a little of both, really. But yes, I would like my Shepard to have the option to work out this issue.

At least you're honest. I can understand a little from where you're coming from. I remember wanting Marcus to kick Griffin in the face during GoW3, but it wasn't a big deal to me. Aria is a complex character and I like that she doesn't adhere to normal politeness, especially since everyone swoons over Shepard. She was only a wise-ass to my Shepard until she trusted her a little more, then I can't remember her being a tool. She was pretty neutral, actually.

Question: When you first met Wrex, did you like him?

From what I can remember, not at once. I knew he would become a squadmate going in, though, which may have prejudiced me towards him.

I guess I'd say the issue I have with Shepard's relationship with Aria is the way it parallels the one he has with the Illusive man: the perfect paladin is working with people he would normally be arresting/killing at first glance due to dire need. But while there are plenty of opportunities to let the Illusive Man know how much you detest the relationship, there is nothing of the sort with Aria.

That, plus my Shepard's easy compliance with her tough act doesn't mesh with my perception of 'I can kill every person in this club anytime I feel like and I very much want to.' Particularly when she suggests that the reason Shepard should respect her rules instead of her respecting his is that they're on Omega instead of on Shepard's ship. It's crying out for a 'do you really think that makes a difference?' response.

[EnvyTB075]

I don't like that she treats Shepard like dirt, but by lord at least every second word that comes out of her mouth isn't "goddess" and she actually looks somewhat tough unlike all the other "bad" Asari who just look plain silly.

Shes a breath of fresh air from the constant space elf personas that permeate everything to do with Asari.

[Sinekein]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Particularly when she suggests that the reason Shepard should respect her rules instead of her respecting his is that they're on Omega instead of on Shepard's ship. It's crying out for a 'do you really think that makes a difference?' response.

But there is a difference ! When Shepard attacks some merc boss, he does it :
- unscheduled - while Aria had tagged him long before he landed on Omega
- on a remote planet, against small merc forces - while Omega is Aria's HQ ; just check what the Blue Suns, Blood Pack and Eclipse throw at Shepard during Garrus recruitment, and imagine that Aria controls at least as many men than them
- where there are no civilians - while Afterlife is quite crowded
- unknown - while Aria very much knows how dangerous Shepard is, unlike the staff of the Purgatory for example

Plus, you don't really face powerful asari commandos face to face. Benezia isn't a fighter, and Vasir looks like she lost fifty gallons of blood when the battle starts. I'm not sure how Shep would handle an asari commando ready to face him at her full power. Shep would probably win, but that would not be easy.

[Ryuzetsu]

Want to bed her, then Kill her.

[Ryuzetsu]

Want to bed her, then Kill her.

[Alien Number Six]

There is only one rule in Mass Effect "Don't f*ck with Aria."

[KBomb]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...


From what I can remember, not at once. I knew he would become a squadmate going in, though, which may have prejudiced me towards him.

I guess I'd say the issue I have with Shepard's relationship with Aria is the way it parallels the one he has with the Illusive man: the perfect paladin is working with people he would normally be arresting/killing at first glance due to dire need. But while there are plenty of opportunities to let the Illusive Man know how much you detest the relationship, there is nothing of the sort with Aria.

That, plus my Shepard's easy compliance with her tough act doesn't mesh with my perception of 'I can kill every person in this club anytime I feel like and I very much want to.' Particularly when she suggests that the reason Shepard should respect her rules instead of her respecting his is that they're on Omega instead of on Shepard's ship. It's crying out for a 'do you really think that makes a difference?' response.

Come on, Septimus. Be fair. Shepard was suppose to have been dead for two years and then he shows up on Omega working for Cerberus. Aria was naturally mistrustful of Shepard. Can't fault her for that when even the VS doesn't trust him. She was drawing a clear line in the sand and letting him know he was on her turf and she was in charge. Perfectly acceptable, considering she has to be suspicious and territorial to survive in a shark's den. She is a Omega's warlord, not it's good will ambassador.

After a while, and she sees your intentions, her attitude changes completely.

[SeptimusMagistos]

KBomb wrote...

 She was drawing a clear line in the sand and letting him know he was on her turf and she was in charge.

But she wasn't. Shepard was.

Ah, forget it. I guess I can always pretend she was trying to save face and hoping Shepard would play along.

[KBomb]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

KBomb wrote...

 She was drawing a clear line in the sand and letting him know he was on her turf and she was in charge.

But she wasn't. Shepard was.

Ah, forget it. I guess I can always pretend she was trying to save face and hoping Shepard would play along.

How was Shepard in charge? I think it comes down to an inflated view of Shepard's importance everywhere in the ME universe that you seem to have. He isn't and wasn't in charge of Omega and Aria wasn't his lackey nor was she forced to help him in any way. He came to her for information, not the other way around.

[SeptimusMagistos]

KBomb wrote...

How was Shepard in charge? I think it comes down to an inflated view of Shepard's importance everywhere in the ME universe that you seem to have. He isn't and wasn't in charge of Omega and Aria wasn't his lackey nor was she forced to help him in any way. He came to her for information, not the other way around.

Shepard's not in charge of Omega. Shepard's in charge of the confrontation. Aria might be helpful and even relatively polite but the last crime boss to do all that is in the next room over and she's a social worker now because she confronted Shepard and such were the requisites for her survival.

I feel like a threat has been made and there isn't an option to threaten back.

[sonicphoto]

I like her, you can't expect every character to be nice people. I like Aria's style, like it or not, she did handle well Omega, I mean a criminal world, and people actually respect and listen to her? Yes she is powerful. I can't really say I hate or dislike a Mass Effect character at this point, they all have a purpose and are different. It's the ending the issue as always.

[noobcannon]

i dont mind her, but i dont get all the raving for her to be a LI or squadmate. would be neat to find out more about her maybe. like more about how she took over omega, her childhood, etc.

[KBomb]

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Shepard's not in charge of Omega. Shepard's in charge of the confrontation. Aria might be helpful and even relatively polite but the last crime boss to do all that is in the next room over and she's a social worker now because she confronted Shepard and such were the requisites for her survival.

I feel like a threat has been made and there isn't an option to threaten back.

He isn't in charge of the confrontation. He is there to A) Get information from Aria. Because Aria summoned him to gauge his intentions on Omega.

Aria doesn't trust him and has no idea why he is even in Omega. There is no reason she should trust him. I don't blame her for letting him know up front that she won't bow down because he is "the Shepard" and if he is there to cause trouble for her, there will be consequences. Your Shep shouldn't take it personally.

When she finds out his intentions, she willingly helps him. Not once, not twice...several times.

Jack, you know, the woman who gleefully recounts her many crimes to Shepard, gets up in his face more than once. So does Wrex. The VS held a gun on you, did you kill them or did you allow them to join your crew?

Modifié par KBomb, 15 novembre 2012 - 03:11 .

[CDR David Shepard]

KBomb wrote...

SeptimusMagistos wrote...

Shepard's not in charge of Omega. Shepard's in charge of the confrontation. Aria might be helpful and even relatively polite but the last crime boss to do all that is in the next room over and she's a social worker now because she confronted Shepard and such were the requisites for her survival.

I feel like a threat has been made and there isn't an option to threaten back.

He isn't in charge of the confrontation. He is there to A) Get information from Aria. Because Aria summoned him to gauge his intentions on Omega.

Aria doesn't trust him and has no idea why he is even in Omega. There is no reason she should trust him. I don't blame her for letting him know up front that she won't bow down because he is "the Shepard" and if he is there to cause trouble for her, there will be consequences. Your Shep shouldn't take it personally.

When she finds out his intentions, she willingly helps him. Not once, not twice...several times. 

She does not help him.

She gives Shepard no more information about Mordin or Archangel than Shepard gets from talking to other people.

EDI was the one who gave information on where to find Mordin and how to get to Archangel.

The wounded Bartarian and the mercs give more information about Mordin and Archangel than she does.

Shepard goes out of their way to protect her and all she gives in return is a location of a cache out in the galaxy that may or may not still be there...and when you do get there...it's guarded by three heavy mechs.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 15 novembre 2012 - 02:47 .

[Liamv2]

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[SeptimusMagistos]

KBomb wrote...

He isn't in charge of the confrontation. He is there to A) Get information from Aria. Because Aria summoned him to gauge his intentions on Omega.

Mostly A.

KBomb wrote...
Aria doesn't trust him and has no idea why he is even in Omega. There is no reason she should trust him. I don't blame her for letting him know up front that she won't bow down because he is "the Shepard" and if he is there to cause trouble for her, there will be consequences. Your Shep shouldn't take it personally.

My Shepard kind of wants to let her know there will not be consequences. If he wants to cause trouble, he will, and there isn't a ton Aria can do about it.

KBomb wrote...
When she finds out his intentions, she willingly helps him. Not once, not twice...several times.

And I want my Shepard's response to that to be 'I still hate you and everything you stand for, but I'm too busy to kill you right now.' Not 'Aria, you're all right.'

KBomb wrote...
Jack, you know, the woman who gleefully recounts her many crimes to Shepard, gets up in his face more than once. So does Wrex. The VS held a gun on you, did you kill them or did you allow them to join your crew?

I tend to forgive Jack and Wrex because they're under a lot of emotional stress at the time. More importantly, I get the option to make them back down.

I've never entirely forgiven the VS. The only reason they get back into the crew is because they admit they were wrong to question Shepard and stop being a huge jerk.