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[AxStapleton]

RustySam wrote...

You people do realize that it's ok to like a fictional character eventhough he/she is a person of questionable morals?

Somehow it strikes me pretty one-sided to like characters simply based on their moral compass. Rather than saying "Aria sucks because she's a shallow character" you say "She's a cruel crime lord and treats people badly. My mommy says I shouldn't associate with that kind of people even if they're fictious."

Maybe there's some literature guru who could formulate that idea better... aynone?

Is it ok to not like a character, just because you don't like the character? Stop assuming what people think.

[DDG4005]

Aria is ok in my book.  She is a ruthless, but practical, criminal that runs a space station that reminds me of 42nd Street from the late 1980s.  There isn't too much to dislike about her given her profession and she doesn't betray my Shepard despite trying to come off as a tough asari b*tch.

I can't say that I'd like her as a squadmate or love interest though; my Shepard's tastes run more along the lines of Liara or Ashley.

[SpamBot2000]

RustySam wrote...

You people do realize that it's ok to like a fictional character eventhough he/she is a person of questionable morals?

Somehow it strikes me pretty one-sided to like characters simply based on their moral compass. Rather than saying "Aria sucks because she's a shallow character" you say "She's a cruel crime lord and treats people badly. My mommy says I shouldn't associate with that kind of people even if they're fictious."

Maybe there's some literature guru who could formulate that idea better... aynone?

Well, when it comes to literature, you are the reader. In Mass Effect, you are a participant. So there's no direct analogy. 

This is also why the railroading of Shepard in ME3 cannot be defended by comparisons with books, movies or other passive forms of art/entertainment.

[CDR David Shepard]

RustySam wrote...

You people do realize that it's ok to like a fictional character eventhough he/she is a person of questionable morals?

Somehow it strikes me pretty one-sided to like characters simply based on their moral compass. Rather than saying "Aria sucks because she's a shallow character" you say "She's a cruel crime lord and treats people badly. My mommy says I shouldn't associate with that kind of people even if they're fictious."

Maybe there's some literature guru who could formulate that idea better... aynone?

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

I didn't realise so many people disliked Aria.

I agree with RustySam, I thought you were allowed to like fictitious characters regardless of their ethics.

You know...it is possible for people to have different opinions.

So saying things like "You people do realize that it's ok to like a fictional character eventhough he/she is a person of questionable morals?"...just because people don't have the same opinion as you is as ridiculous as it sounds.

If you want to like a fictitious character regardless of their ethics...then go ahead and do so...you ARE "allowed" to...you shouldn't need others approval.

[paul165]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Seems to be more Aria dislike around these parts, why is that?????

She's a drug dealing, pirate supporting, slaver scumbag it's not that difficult to understand.

[Yate]

Aria's badass

Paragon crybabies can whine all they want

[paul165]

andy69156915 wrote...

Anybody who wants to be able to kill her or wants to make her "regret her attitude"? I'm not going to mince words; You're an idiot. Fact is, she's the only one keeping the lid on the pot. As bad as she is, she's the only reason Omega isn't a constant war zone between merc groups. Without Aria, Omega is just a slaughterhouse of innocent people getting dragged into the conflicts, everyone trying to get above the rest and damn the consequences. Like her or not, Omega functions as an actual society only under her rule. That's not opinion, that's objective fact. Why do you think Garrus never focused on her? Because he too realized that Omega is better with Aria in control then not in her control. Garrus knew that taking her out would just make things even worse then they were to start with. It's also the reason paragon Shepard supports her, she's a necessary evil to keep worse evil from making Omega a bloodbath. For a paragon, you want her in power. If she isn't the leader then someone else would be, with dozens of merc gangs fighting daily to take over for themselves.

Renegade Shepard's like her because they're similar. Paragon Shepard's tolerate her because she's all that stands between Omega just being a horrible place and Omega being a hellish war that never ends..

You assume that Omega being a hellish warzone is in any way worse for the rest of the galaxy than it is at the moment. As far as I'm concerned the more time and resources the scum on Omega waste on killing each other the better everyone else will be.

Of course this only applies when we are not facing extinction...

[Ieldra]

I would like to mention that there is a difference between various forms of "like":

(1) Does your Shepard like Aria in-world?
(2) Do you like Aria-the-person, seen as if you were in the ME universe?
(3) Do you like Aria as a fictional character as she's written by Bioware?

My answers differ drastically depending on which kind of "like" is addressed:

(1) Most of my Shepards respect Aria for seeing things clearly about the Reaper War and offering a mutually beneficial co-operation. However, most of them don't *like* her because she's a ruthless crime lord. The reasons for that dislike vary: some don't like crime lords, some don't like that she doesn't have a greater vision and some don't like she behaves like a bully at times. One of my Shepards does like her and finds her attractive.

(2) I would very much dislike Aria would I live in the ME universe, for very much the same reasons most of my Shepards dislike her even while respecting her.

(3) Her writing is somewhat cheesy, but not worse than many others. As a fictional character, she's OK but not great.

My specific problem with her is this: my main Shepard would greatly like Petrovsky as he was portrayed in ME:Invasion and would never help Aria if it meant having to kill him. Thus, if we're forced to kill Petrovsky, I'll blame her and her popularity for forcing my Shepard to act out of character. Thus, I'll come to hate her.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 16 novembre 2012 - 04:41 .

[paul165]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

I didn't realise so many people disliked Aria.

I agree with RustySam, I thought you were allowed to like fictitious characters regardless of their ethics.

You are however I (as in the person behind the keyboard) find her particular variety of evil...petty. There is no grand scheme,no great injustice (real or perceived) there's just money and a willingness to destroy innocent civilians to get it.

[RustySam]

paul165 wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Seems to be more Aria dislike around these parts, why is that?????

She's a drug dealing, pirate supporting, slaver scumbag it's not that difficult to understand.

I don't even need to argue for my point (my previous post), the proof just keep on coming in.

[CDR David Shepard]

RustySam wrote...

paul165 wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Seems to be more Aria dislike around these parts, why is that?????

She's a drug dealing, pirate supporting, slaver scumbag it's not that difficult to understand.

I don't even need to argue for my point (my previous post), the proof just keep on coming in.

Please explain your point.

I mean...for me...I like Aria's character within the Mass Effect Universe and games...because she is what she is.

However, my character, my Shepard...living within said universe is not too fond of criminal warlords.

Basically...I "dislike" her in the same way that I hate TIM. It comes from my Shepards view point. I absolutely want both of the characters in the universe and in the games though>

I'm not entirely sure without you telling us...but I believe that you assume that people just simply hate her character and don't want her in the universe or games.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 16 novembre 2012 - 05:39 .

[paul165]

RustySam wrote...

paul165 wrote...

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Seems to be more Aria dislike around these parts, why is that?????

She's a drug dealing, pirate supporting, slaver scumbag it's not that difficult to understand.

I don't even need to argue for my point (my previous post), the proof just keep on coming in.

You know I responded to that argument - right?

It's not that she's evil (though she is) it's that she's evil for no greater purpose leaving me with little to potentially respect about the character.

[Someone With Mass]

I'm siding with Nyreen, that's for sure.

[RustySam]

Ugh, let's be super duper serious for a while. Maybe I wanted to separate the RP answers from... I don't know from all the other answers. Personally, I never really felt very passionately about this whole "I smite thee with my righteous hammer, evil doer!" thing. <- Yeah, that was overexageration (sp?) of RP. So in-character discussions always gets me on my toes a bit.

CDR Shepard David, you got it what I was going for.

What do I think of Aria? Nothing. She was so out of place with her merc buddies on Citadel that Bioware might as well left her and them out. Who knows, maybe the upcoming Omega DLC will fix things.

Anyways, nighty night all.

[Nykara]

chidingewe8036 wrote...

Seems to be more Aria dislike around these parts, why is that?????

She is not a nice person. Nice people don't have criminal organizations working for them. She is also exceptionally arogant. Frankly I couldn't care less what happened to Omega now. It's not like it helps in saving Shepard and Earth from the reapers anyhow with stupid star child around.

[chidingewe8036]

now I know why all of my Aria support threads went down the toilet so fast. My Aria dislike thread is flourishing.

[chidingewe8036]

tells me all i need to know about her character's support *sigh*

[2Shepards]

Love her, she is awesome on feet.

[Cadeym]

My Shepard is a paragon spectre, and aslong as there are civilians of the same race as those alleigned with the council still living on omega then the entire station and all individuals on it is subject to council law.

Aria is just another terrorist that needs to be removed from power.

[DirtySHISN0]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

I didn't realise so many people disliked Aria.

I agree with RustySam, I thought you were allowed to like fictitious characters regardless of their ethics.

You know...it is possible for people to have different opinions.

So saying things like "You people do realize that it's ok to like a fictional character eventhough he/she is a person of questionable morals?"...just because people don't have the same opinion as you is as ridiculous as it sounds.

If you want to like a fictitious character regardless of their ethics...then go ahead and do so...you ARE "allowed" to...you shouldn't need others approval.

My point was ethical approval seems to be a factor for most people when they reference opinions on Aria, as in people take on either a paragon or renegade opinion as it were.

There don't seem to be many people who say, despite how my shepard reacts or despite how I roleplay my shepard, I feel ____ about Aria as a character.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 16 novembre 2012 - 11:53 .

[paul165]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

I didn't realise so many people disliked Aria.

I agree with RustySam, I thought you were allowed to like fictitious characters regardless of their ethics.

You know...it is possible for people to have different opinions.

So saying things like "You people do realize that it's ok to like a fictional character eventhough he/she is a person of questionable morals?"...just because people don't have the same opinion as you is as ridiculous as it sounds.

If you want to like a fictitious character regardless of their ethics...then go ahead and do so...you ARE "allowed" to...you shouldn't need others approval.

My point was ethical approval seems to be a factor for most people when they reference opinions on Aria, as in people take on either a paragon or renegade opinion as it were.

There don't seem to be many people who say, despite how my shepard reacts or despite how I roleplay my shepard, I feel ____ about Aria as a character.

Ok if you prefer non RP related reasons I find her arrogant and ineffectual a classic example of the tropes Smug Snake (http://tvtropes.org/.../Main/SmugSnake) and Orcus on his throne (http://tvtropes.org/...rcusOnHisThrone).

My Shepard despises her for moral reasons.

[xAlkax]

sirus1988 wrote...

Exact opposite. I love Aria, I wish she was a permenant squadmate that you can romance~

To a Renegade Shepard she would be the perfect romance

I like Aria as character btw Pity there isnt  enough interaction with her.

Modifié par xAlkax, 17 novembre 2012 - 10:21 .

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I would like to mention that there is a difference between various forms of "like":

(1) Does your Shepard like Aria in-world?
(2) Do you like Aria-the-person, seen as if you were in the ME universe?
(3) Do you like Aria as a fictional character as she's written by Bioware?

My answers differ drastically depending on which kind of "like" is addressed:

(1) Most of my Shepards respect Aria for seeing things clearly about the Reaper War and offering a mutually beneficial co-operation. However, most of them don't *like* her because she's a ruthless crime lord. The reasons for that dislike vary: some don't like crime lords, some don't like that she doesn't have a greater vision and some don't like she behaves like a bully at times. One of my Shepards does like her and finds her attractive.

(2) I would very much dislike Aria would I live in the ME universe, for very much the same reasons most of my Shepards dislike her even while respecting her.

(3) Her writing is somewhat cheesy, but not worse than many others. As a fictional character, she's OK but not great.

My specific problem with her is this: my main Shepard would greatly like Petrovsky as he was portrayed in ME:Invasion and would never help Aria if it meant having to kill him. Thus, if we're forced to kill Petrovsky, I'll blame her and her popularity for forcing my Shepard to act out of character. Thus, I'll come to hate her.

Very well put.

[Wulfram]

I'm not particularly keen on her, and I dislike the way the game seems to be written to tell me that I should think she's the coolest person ever.

Nykara wrote...

She is not a nice person. Nice people don't have criminal organizations working for them.

Liara?

[Reorte]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I would like to mention that there is a difference between various forms of "like":

(1) Does your Shepard like Aria in-world?
(2) Do you like Aria-the-person, seen as if you were in the ME universe?
(3) Do you like Aria as a fictional character as she's written by Bioware?

Well put. Some people seem to be confusing all three of these. I'm fine with people liking her for (1) and (3) and very suspicious of anyone who'd like her in (2).