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[falon-din]

I wonder where the "Gray" part came from??
All I can relate is (Nathaniel Hawthorne's) Gray Champion, who stood against the oppression. But then the hero in that story was a gray old man 
I can't see anything "gray" about the wardens in the game, that is.
Any thoughts??

Modifié par falon-din, 04 janvier 2010 - 11:38 .

[marbatico]

dunno, perhaps there armor was grey?

or perhaps the griphons they used to ride one had grey feathers/hair?

[Statue]

I asked Fritz Lieber's Grey Mouser a similar question but he scuttled off into a hole in the skirting



My best guess would be that it signifies what they are prepared to do in order to combat the blight - their "by any means" stance entails not adhering to a black or white moral mentality.

[Ambeth]

I dunno if this is a spoiler or not. My take is, they are closer to the darkspawn than your average citizen, but, of course, not actually darkspawn. Thus 'grey'.

[MorseDenizen]

Just a little theory here, greay wardens as in grey areas, i.e they dont interfere visibly but tend to pull strings in the background, they have the right to evoke conscription of almost anyone and have treaties with a lot of the species and factins of Ferelden these tend to be rights of Kings and Supreme Commanders in dire times of war and/or chaos. Yet they hold no administrative power. They arrive when needed and disappear when the job is done, much like Mithrandir (The Grey Pilgrim, Olorin, Gandalf) this theory seems to make sense given the game setting, what do u guys think?

[falon-din]

Yeah I thought of Mithrandir too
Gandalf the Gray

Modifié par falon-din, 03 janvier 2010 - 02:40 .

[Statue]

Yes Ambeth, I think their joining ritual serves as a good example of their moral philosophy - they embrace something that taints them in order to be better able to combat the darkspawn. It not only grants that heightened capability to combat them but also serves as a rites de passage that reinforces that they must be willing to embrace any means to effectively combat the blight (much is made of the "by any means" stance of the Wardens in the game and its lore - there's examples of acceptance of the more morally ambiguous methods and moral sacrifice in order to prevail: blood magic, demonology, recruitment of 'sinners' and 'outlaws', etc). For the Wardens, the ends justify the means. That's part of their unique selling point as fighters against the darkspawn (as opposed to other organizations that are constrained by rules - the Chantry, the Templars, the Circle).

Modifié par Statue, 03 janvier 2010 - 02:42 .

[Vizkos]

Grey is the color of neutrality. Although Grey Wardens are/were a force to be reckoned with, their principles went against interfering with politics/states.

[falon-din]

Their ambiguous alignment...
hmm

Modifié par falon-din, 03 janvier 2010 - 02:44 .

[Killian Kalthorne]

The question remains though if they are Ocean Grey Wardens or Military Grey Wardens. There is a HUGE difference!

[Statue]

LOL. Those Confederates get everywhere.

Modifié par Statue, 03 janvier 2010 - 02:56 .

[hereticeyes]

Grey for shades of grey? Meaning that they aren't totally good, they are willing to sacrifice a lot in the pursuit of the greater good.

[Sloth Of Doom]

Al of the other colours were taken by bad bands such as 'The Purple Wardens of Tevinter".

[Schneidend]

They're a neutral order. They're not even supposed to directly involve themselves in politics, much less rebel against tyrannical kings. Grey Wardens cannot hold noble titles in Ferelden, and probably can't hold titles in Orlais, either. Theirs is also an order whose principal tenet is "by any means necessary." They aren't black, they aren't white, they aren't red or blue, they're grey.

[CptPatch]

They combat DARKspawn. Darkspawn blood was described somewhere as being "dark as sin". They live in darkness (when not trying to burn everything in their path during a Blight.) Arrayed against the darkspawn are all the races that live in Light. (Artificial light for the Dwarves, but still illuminating.)



Wardens are comprised of people that live in the LIGHT. However, they have deliberately taken in darkspawn blood to make them aware of that other life led by the darkspawn. LIGHT + DARK = Grey, the natural buffer between the two extremes.

[Wyllowe]

 Some of us are bow to neither heaven or hell.... thus we fall into the gray zone and prefer choosing to spend an eternity protecting those more worthy than we, from the ever hungry darkness.

[Kothoses Rothenkisal]

Ever watched Babylon 5? The Grey council from the Minbari race have a little phrase which to me explains exactly why we have "Grey wardens".



We are Grey, we stand between the candle and the dark.



Basically they are protectors of all that is good and light in the world, without being good or light them selves. In their own words they "do what ever it takes to win". If that means eating babies to gain the power to defeat the arch demon they would probably consider it.



Cast your mind back to the opening of Baldurs Gate



"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."



The Grey wardens are the opposite to this, they embrace becoming monsters to defeat monsters, they live on the line between what is right and good and what is dark and evil, the moral choices in Dragon age are there to emphasise this and to help blur the distinction.



Thats why they are Grey wardens, because they are not white knights but they do fight against evil.

[thegreateski]

I help an old lady across the street.













then I rob her.

[Zabaniya]

thegreateski wrote...

I help an old lady across the street.






then I rob her.

Ehhhhhh?  Couldn't you find a better example?
Since your example is like... I do good, but in the end, I did it so I could do the bad thing, whereas the Wardens are like... we do bad but in the end it's for the greater good.
But I guess if others can understand it, then it's really no problem.

[thegreateski]

Well overall Wardens are there to stop the Blight.



Stopping the blight can range from . . . helping your Allies prepare for the coming war, saving innocents from Darkspawn, and killing the Darkspawn wherever they may be.



It can also mean . . . killing whole villages of Darkspawn plauge infected people, abandoning people to the darkspawn simply because if you do so then you give up your OWN defensible position, and of course conscripting people to fight against the blight.

[Zabaniya]

thegreateski wrote...

Well overall Wardens are there to stop the Blight.

Stopping the blight can range from . . . helping your Allies prepare for the coming war, saving innocents from Darkspawn, and killing the Darkspawn wherever they may be.

It can also mean . . . killing whole villages of Darkspawn plauge infected people, abandoning people to the darkspawn simply because if you do so then you give up your OWN defensible position, and of course conscripting people to fight against the blight.

Of course, I realize that all, that's why I said (specifically with your second paragraph in mind) that they do bad for the greater good.  Just that your example wasn't the best one to show your point.

[Zabaniya]

Zabaniya wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Well overall Wardens are there to stop the Blight.

Stopping the blight can range from . . . helping your Allies prepare for the coming war, saving innocents from Darkspawn, and killing the Darkspawn wherever they may be.

It can also mean . . . killing whole villages of Darkspawn plauge infected people, abandoning people to the darkspawn simply because if you do so then you give up your OWN defensible position, and of course conscripting people to fight against the blight.

Of course, I realize that all, that's why I said (specifically with your second paragraph in mind) that they can align themselves with "morally evil" for the greater good.  Just that your example wasn't the best one to show your point.

Edit: Meant to edit, ended up quoting; double post.  Huge fail on my part. 

Modifié par Zabaniya, 03 janvier 2010 - 11:58 .

[Vicious]

Grey like the stone. Guardians against darkness.

[thegreateski]

Zabaniya wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Well overall Wardens are there to stop the Blight.

Stopping the blight can range from . . . helping your Allies prepare for the coming war, saving innocents from Darkspawn, and killing the Darkspawn wherever they may be.

It can also mean . . . killing whole villages of Darkspawn plauge infected people, abandoning people to the darkspawn simply because if you do so then you give up your OWN defensible position, and of course conscripting people to fight against the blight.

Of course, I realize that all, that's why I said (specifically with your second paragraph in mind) that they do bad for the greater good.  Just that your example wasn't the best one to show your point.

I am here for humor, not seriousness.
-Sage nod-

[Zabaniya]

thegreateski wrote...

Zabaniya wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

Well overall Wardens are there to stop the Blight.

Stopping the blight can range from . . . helping your Allies prepare for the coming war, saving innocents from Darkspawn, and killing the Darkspawn wherever they may be.

It can also mean . . . killing whole villages of Darkspawn plauge infected people, abandoning people to the darkspawn simply because if you do so then you give up your OWN defensible position, and of course conscripting people to fight against the blight.

Of course, I realize that all, that's why I said (specifically with your second paragraph in mind) that they do bad for the greater good.  Just that your example wasn't the best one to show your point.

I am here for humor, not seriousness.
-Sage nod-

I'll try and keep that in mind next time. D: