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[Sarielle]

I'm gonna guess it was a very deliberate choice based on all the theories brought up: grey as the neutral colour (no political alignment), grey as walking the line between human and darkspawn, grey as in morally grey (you are not lawful, and not even necessarily "good" by old standard DnD alignments).



I'm happy somebody brought this up because the more I play the game the more I'm enjoying their well-thought out symbolism.

[yam123]

Brown wardens didn't sound as good.

[Haleden]

Gray because they are so dull?
I honestly tried really hard not to become a Gray Warden, but Duncan is such a stubborn and clever bastard that no matter what starting location I chose he'd still come and ruin everything for me.

Modifié par Haleden, 04 janvier 2010 - 01:20 .

[Statue]

LOL Yam. None of them wanted to be Pink Wardens either I suspect.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Statue, 04 janvier 2010 - 02:08 .

[Reader81]

Nuke all humankind off face of earth for greater good! See no more darkspawn attacking humankind!

[elys]

They're called Gray Wardens because each one takes about 100 darspawn rads during the ritual.

[TheGreenLion]

Honestly I know why it is that they are Grey Wardens. Referencing them as White/Red/Black/Brown/Yellow Wardens would upset our racially diverse gamers. Grey simply was a color that wasn't offensive and sounded better than Purple/Orange/Blue/Green Wardens.

[Dennis Carpenter]

Just an observation............It is actually Grey wardens NOT Gray wardens and most of the posts if you take them as a whole when combined are correct. I understand a number of people spell the word incorrectly and that has become acceptable over the years but even though the correct spelling is Grey.........please remember they are referred to in the game and on the website as GREY wardens not the other. Thanks



BTW for those who wish to argue please do not.........Grey is the british original spelling and was adapted or Americanized into GRAY so the only correct spelling is the original one even though the adapted one has become acceptable.

[OMG prt-scr]

Cyan would "still" be a better colour .

[Lord Phoebus]

Minutes from the founding of the Grey Wardens:

A:"Well what do we call ourselves?"

B:"How about the Blight Smashers?"

C:"A bit on the nose don't you think?"

D:"Well, we do guard people against the Darkspawn, what about the Blight Guard?"

C:"No, they might confuse us with the Bright Guard, you know those Orlesian knights who take care of university security."

D:"Good point, Blight Wardens then?"

B:"That makes us sound like bloody park rangers, it does."

A:"No, I like it, well the warden part at least."

C:"At least drop the Blight bit."

D:"You've been pretty negative about this, what do you suggest?"

C:"How about a colour, the Chartreuse Wardens? I know a tailor who could get us a good deal on the fabric."

B:"I'm not joining any order called the Chartreuse Wardens! What about the Crimson Wardens, those darkspawn bleed like fountains when we klll them, so we do tend to look crimson."

D:"No there are there's already the Crimson Guard, the Crimson Corsairs, I even heard one of the men talking about forming a group called the Crimson Oars."

C:"Burnt Sienna then?"

B:"Too much of a mouthful. What about a shade instead, the Black wardens. Black always looks good."

C:"Ooh, just think of all the recruits lining up to wear a spiffy black uniform!"

A:"No there's a Tevinter Mercenary group by that name."

B:"The White Wardens then?"

C:"Have you ever tried to keep a white uniform clean? No way, besides it might not play well in certain areas."

D:"Yeah, it definitely won't go down well in the South."

A:"Let's split the difference then, Grey Wardens."

B:"I can live with that, besides I'm hungry."

C:"Yeah, Grey sounds okay."

D:"Grey Wardens it is."

[Subdivide]

i think it refers to the fact the wardens do not live as long as a normal person because of the taint. old people die of old age...not being killed. Wardens are powerful and (in their minds) can not be killed, they are the most skilled warriors....except naturally by the taint. Since the taint shortens their life span, they are technochly fighting in their golden years and won't live much longer. Grey because old people have grey hair.

[elys]

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BTW for those who wish to argue please do not.........Grey is the british original spelling and was adapted or Americanized into GRAY so the only correct spelling is the original one even though the adapted one has become acceptable.

Sorry, I wish and I do  
(Not about DAO, since in the game it's always about Grey Warden)

"Gray" in american is more than acceptable. it is a correct existing and referenced word, even if you seem to not appreciate it. (As for "British English", I don't know if "gray" is officially recognized, I would guess not.)

A lot of  words since languages exist have been modified in their lifespan.
That's how languages, dialects and words are born from the start,  evolve over time and localisation, and eventually die (unused anymore).

Only dead languages are not changing.

As for why they are called "Grey Warden", I like Lord Phoebus' explanation

Modifié par elys, 04 janvier 2010 - 08:39 .

[Stuffy38]

Moral ambiguity.

ref: 'grey' vs 'gray' - I think that's more of a habit of whoever is posting.  Throughout the game, the website, the manual the group is referred to as "Grey Wardens".  However in the US and probably Canada that word for the colour is spelled with an A.  It's not a real problem, similarly leaving out the U in words like colour and armour still gets the meaning of the word across.  It would be pretty easy to get side tracked into arguments over spelling and who is right or wrong, which is wholly unproductive, when you could be playing DA:O. 

Modifié par Stuffy38, 04 janvier 2010 - 10:03 .

[falon-din]

I guess it wasn't supposed to be explicitly stated.
They couldn't have acknowledged themselves publicly as an order that is not bound to any moral code whatsoever.

They naturally needed respect and trust. They couldn't have gone around saying:
"we are loose but we are determined to end the blight" ... !!

Modifié par falon-din, 04 janvier 2010 - 10:43 .

[Lord Abrasion]

falon-din wrote...

Their ambiguous alignment...
hmm

What he said. It's an organization that can't be categorized as either purely good or purely evil. While they fight for an ultimately good cause, their methods are at times morally bankrupt. They adopt a "the ends justify the means" approach to stopping Blights.

[Stuffy38]

falon-din wrote...

I guess it wasn't supposed to be explicitly stated.
They couldn't have acknowledged themselves publicly as an order that is not bound to any moral code whatsoever.

They naturally needed respect and trust. They couldn't have gone around saying:
"we are loose but we are determined to end the blight" ... !!

Yes, that would have a whole set of sexual references.  Probably not the message they wanted to get across.

[PendleSoft]

falon-din wrote...

I wonder where the "Gray" part came from??
All I can relate is (Nathaniel Hawthorne's) Gray Champion, who stood against the oppression. But the hero in that story was a gray old man 

I can't see anything "gray" about the wardens in the game, that is.
Any thoughts??

Because it sounds better then "Biege Wardens"?

[FlintlockJazz]

Because they thought it sounded badass, and Grey Wardens are nothing if not pretentious!

[th3warr1or]

Cause they're morally grey I guess.

[Queensilverwing]

Well, mix a bit of white in with black, and what do you have? Grey. I haven't advanced that far into the game to really give a full opinion. I do however get the impression that the Grey Wardens are watchers, and that their vigil spans generation upon generation. The mists of time almost? Now if only I could get that rather interesting, yet stubborn Sten to be nicer, I'd be happy in Grey!

[falon-din]

Super majority of people here believe it's about moral ambiguity.
Makes sense.

Modifié par falon-din, 04 janvier 2010 - 01:45 .

[Baalzie]

Dennis Carpenter wrote...

Just an observation............It is actually Grey wardens NOT Gray wardens and most of the posts if you take them as a whole when combined are correct. I understand a number of people spell the word incorrectly and that has become acceptable over the years but even though the correct spelling is Grey.........please remember they are referred to in the game and on the website as GREY wardens not the other. Thanks

BTW for those who wish to argue please do not.........Grey is the british original spelling and was adapted or Americanized into GRAY so the only correct spelling is the original one even though the adapted one has become acceptable.

Sorry dude! I WILL argue!
English isn't one language it is several...
Just like german, and spanish isn't one language...

Each country has it's OWN rules, so the american are totally correct writing "Gray" since in American it is correct...
in BRITISH it isn't, *aka "Her majesty's English"* but that isn't he ONLY english language out there, sorry...
Same for Aluminium vs. Aluminum, Lift vs. Elevator, etc etc, that's why You nowadays have the different language choices of "English(UK)" and "English(US)" online because *Wait for it...."

They're DIFFERENT  NATIONAL LANGUAGES!
*as is German, Austrian german, Swizz german. And Spanish, Mexican, Argentinian Spanish, Catalunian etc etc*
So, I think You might want to read up a bit about languages before You state something that horribly wrong but hilariously funny again...

And Again, it's not a British game but the developers are located in CANADA, so that was a tad EPIC fail honestly...
*Yes Montreal is in Canada still, never WILL end up in Britain, sorry*

And to be On Topic:
It's probably the Moral neutral standpoint... They are in the "Grey Zone" there, "The end justifies the means!"
I think they stated it somewhere even, but uhm, don't quote me on that!

Modifié par Baalzie, 04 janvier 2010 - 02:10 .

[Dennis Carpenter]

For all those who wish to argue fine, but before you argue or take offense to anything please comprehend what you are reading.The points being made by myself are the correct spelling of the word as the game designers intended which is GREY not GRAY..............as a side note I also brought up the fact that Grey is of british origin (or old english if thats what you would like to call it) and is the first spelling. It was adapted in american english to Gray which is an acceptable and alternate spelling of the SAME WORD which I stated. My 2nd point was ;if you truly wanted the correct spelling you should go to the ORIGINAL word and all others after that are acceptable adaptations. This has nothing to do with other words and similar meanings ie. lift vs elevator etc. Not even the same topic when you bring that up, also I am not referring to other languages and how anyone speaks. I again never said anywhere in my post that DAO is a british game so therefore the EPIC fail belongs to you Baalzie. I had hoped to make a simple comment and not get off topic but it seems as that is impossible anymore. Using the same logic as Baalzie would suggest we should therefore refer to our thief as a rouge instead of a rogue since they apparently mean the same thing. BTW I am an American not British and hopefully Have clarified my points so those with limited gray matter can now understand.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

maybe they are called grey wardens because they go through gray times...like living for only 30 years...dieing in battle...and drinking darkspawn blood

[jth82]

Baalzie wrote...

Dennis Carpenter wrote...

Just an observation............It is actually Grey wardens NOT Gray wardens and most of the posts if you take them as a whole when combined are correct. I understand a number of people spell the word incorrectly and that has become acceptable over the years but even though the correct spelling is Grey.........please remember they are referred to in the game and on the website as GREY wardens not the other. Thanks

BTW for those who wish to argue please do not.........Grey is the british original spelling and was adapted or Americanized into GRAY so the only correct spelling is the original one even though the adapted one has become acceptable.

Sorry dude! I WILL argue!
English isn't one language it is several...
Just like german, and spanish isn't one language...

Each country has it's OWN rules, so the american are totally correct writing "Gray" since in American it is correct...
in BRITISH it isn't, *aka "Her majesty's English"* but that isn't he ONLY english language out there, sorry...
Same for Aluminium vs. Aluminum, Lift vs. Elevator, etc etc, that's why You nowadays have the different language choices of "English(UK)" and "English(US)" online because *Wait for it...."

They're DIFFERENT  NATIONAL LANGUAGES!
*as is German, Austrian german, Swizz german. And Spanish, Mexican, Argentinian Spanish, Catalunian etc etc*
So, I think You might want to read up a bit about languages before You state something that horribly wrong but hilariously funny again...

And Again, it's not a British game but the developers are located in CANADA, so that was a tad EPIC fail honestly...
*Yes Montreal is in Canada still, never WILL end up in Britain, sorry*

And to be On Topic:
It's probably the Moral neutral standpoint... They are in the "Grey Zone" there, "The end justifies the means!"
I think they stated it somewhere even, but uhm, don't quote me on that!

actually US English and UK English are not different languages but two different dialects of a same language