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[jackkel dragon]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

Dr. Gaider already said he wouldn't write characters just to appeal to fetishes. Don't get your hopes up.

Strange, as that is pretty much all that BioWare does nowadays except Third Person Shooter.

Perception != Intention.

[Fast Jimmy]

I'm currently of the mind that a female dwarf has no more inherent value than any other character type.

For instance, if you had said "an elven former warrior slave from Tevinter" in the character type, I would have flipped out and been excited. And then Fenris became one of my least favorite characters (let alone companions, but actual CHARACTERS) in all of the Dragon Age series.

So just because you like female dwarves or Bioware has previously written good female dwarf characters does not mean that if Bioware puts a female dwarf in DA3, it will be the end-all-be-all of good times. I'd rather they focus on character development rather than just overall archetypes.

Allistair isn't everyone's favorite character, but he had a ton of layers, both in his personality and his backstory. He started out as a bit of a goof, but he turned over time into someone you could relate some of your Warden experiences with. In addition, his story of being a royal bastard is, literally, a game changer, and affects major quests in a lot of interesting way. In addition, molding his personality through how you handled his sister (wow, that sounds a little dirty, doesn't it?) has a very cool effect in certain scenes later in the game.

Point being, I'd rather I get an organic character, one that feels like they have actually lived in the world of Thedas, not someone that felt like they were dropped in five minutes before you met them from an appropriate mold. Someone with twists and turns and can talk about their life, their upbringing, their ideas without sounding like a broken record.



Also... female Kossiths are better.

[Fast Jimmy]

The Hierophant wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

Dr. Gaider already said he wouldn't write characters just to appeal to fetishes. Don't get your hopes up.

Why would female dwarves be considered a fetish and not males?

Oh boy.

[The Hierophant]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

Dr. Gaider already said he wouldn't write characters just to appeal to fetishes. Don't get your hopes up.

Why would female dwarves be considered a fetish and not males?

Oh boy.

S***! Don't tell me i'm suffering from reading comprehension fail again?

[jackkel dragon]

The Hierophant wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

Dr. Gaider already said he wouldn't write characters just to appeal to fetishes. Don't get your hopes up.

Why would female dwarves be considered a fetish and not males?

Gaider mentioned that they don't make characters to appeal to fetishes in a female Qunari thread. I believe he means *any* fetish, not just female Qunari (or in this case, dwarves).

[The Hierophant]

jackkel dragon wrote...
Gaider mentioned that they don't make characters to appeal to fetishes in a female Qunari thread. I believe he means *any* fetish, not just female Qunari (or in this case, dwarves).

So i can take it that  female Qunari or Dwarves would probably make an appearance in the future but they're not there for the romance tards.

[Estelindis]

I liked female dwarves in DA:O. I hope we see them in DA3.

[AstraDrakkar]

I know that Bioware is gonna make all of us play as a human, but for the sake of realism i think both of the sexes of all of the races should be represented in game in some fashion.

[HighMoon]

I'd like to see a female dwarf as a Chantry sister, just for something different.

[TEWR]

Reposting some of what I said elsewhere:

I think David Gaider was wrong to say "There was no need for them" in the other forum in regards to why they weren't in DA2.

But the reason why I think they were needed is less about wanting them in there for some form of gender equality or whatnot -- which is important, mind you. But it's not why I'd want them in there -- and more about helping to make Kirkwall feel... alive.

Like Bioware hyped DAII up to be. Choices that matter! Living breathing city! And so on and so on.

Though I have to wonder why Legacy couldn't have introduced female carta Dwarves. I mean... DAO had that female carta leader. And DAII's codex on the carta along with Renvil Harrowmont's comments indicate that the carta in Kirkwall are the remnants from the one from DAO.

Would've made sense to see some male and female Carta Dwarves in Legacy.

So to relate this to DA3, the presence of female Dwarves -- and male Dwarves, and Elves of both genders, and humans of both genders -- is IMO needed to make any city/town feel like... a city/town. That's the indirect need. The direct need is obviously whether you have some upfront interaction with those female Dwarves.

There's always a need, whether directly relating to the story or indirectly relating to it. The question is "Do we have time/resources" not "Do we need this"?

David Gaider said that they didn't have the time/resources and that they also didn't need them. But I only think the former is what matters. The latter is always true, IMO.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 14 novembre 2012 - 05:44 .

[The Hierophant]

^ Good post. I hope that the female dwarves don't get the short end of the stick again in Da3.

[CaptainBlackGold]

Hehe...

You said "short end of the stick" about Dwarven females..."

OK, it's late and I should go to bed....

[DreGregoire]

This thread is about having female dwarves in DA3 not about who said what about female dwarves in DA2. Please keep on topic so this thread doesn't get closed.

Heh, thanks to this thread my creative mind has gone into over drive coming up with possible reasons to have male and female dwarves in DAIII.

About Dwarves: "They are a race in decline, once boasting a vast underground network of twelve great thaigs that spanned the breadth of Thedas." http://dragonage.wik...om/wiki/Dwarves

So basically the thaigs once spanned the breadth of Thedas so maybe there is some hope that we will be able to visit a new Thaig that has dwarves so maybe just maybe we'll have more interaction with dwarves in DA3. It's nice to know that there is a chance that we'll be able to see some deep roads.

[TEWR]

DreGregoire wrote...

This thread is about having female dwarves in DA3 not about who said what about female dwarves in DA2. Please keep on topic so this thread doesn't get closed.

If this is towards me -- I'm paranoid like that -- I did. I made my post talking about a previous statement regarding DAII relate towards DA3.

Ultimately this entire thread is just going to be "We want this". There's not much more to say then that other then why X should be in DA3, what we hope to see in regards to X, and speculating on whether or not Bioware is doing X in Y fashion.

Also, talks about a naked drunken Oghren riding a gorilla into battle against the Darkspawn whilst brandishing his trusty battleaxe The Darkspawn Ravager.

[Herr Uhl]

Taint Master wrote...

Dr. Gaider already said he wouldn't write characters just to appeal to fetishes. Don't get your hopes up.

When did he become a doctor?

[Fast Jimmy]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

DreGregoire wrote...

This thread is about having female dwarves in DA3 not about who said what about female dwarves in DA2. Please keep on topic so this thread doesn't get closed.

If this is towards me -- I'm paranoid like that -- I did. I made my post talking about a previous statement regarding DAII relate towards DA3.

Ultimately this entire thread is just going to be "We want this". There's not much more to say then that other then why X should be in DA3, what we hope to see in regards to X, and speculating on whether or not Bioware is doing X in Y fashion.

Also, talks about a naked drunken Oghren riding a gorilla into battle against the Darkspawn whilst brandishing his trusty battleaxe The Darkspawn Ravager.

If I find a genie in a lamp and get three wishes, I will only use two for myself and make the third one "dwarven gorrilla mounts, specifically with a drunk naked Ogrhen" for you, TEWR. You have my word on that.

[Emzamination]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

Dr. Gaider already said he wouldn't write characters just to appeal to fetishes. Don't get your hopes up.

When did he become a doctor?

Seriously

[Fast Jimmy]

Emzamination wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

Dr. Gaider already said he wouldn't write characters just to appeal to fetishes. Don't get your hopes up.

When did he become a doctor?

Seriously

I think someone has heard the terms "Bioware" and "The Doctors" and made the assumption that one needs a MD to work there.

I have no evidence to disprove this.

[Emzamination]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

Dr. Gaider already said he wouldn't write characters just to appeal to fetishes. Don't get your hopes up.

When did he become a doctor?

Seriously

I think someone has heard the terms "Bioware" and "The Doctors" and made the assumption that one needs a MD to work there.

I have no evidence to disprove this.

and here I was thinking it was because they were attempting to smooch rump too hard. :innocent:

[Corker]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

I'm currently of the mind that a female dwarf has no more inherent value than any other character type.

...

So just because you like female dwarves or Bioware has previously written good female dwarf characters does not mean that if Bioware puts a female dwarf in DA3, it will be the end-all-be-all of good times. I'd rather they focus on character development rather than just overall archetypes.

I take your point - I would also rather have a well-done, interesting human male character than a one-note female dwarf.

But I think there is an inherent value in having a female dwarf character around.  At least, it's something I value, although perhaps it's of no consequence to you.  (And that's okay. There's definitely elements of game design that are of no consequence to me that other people will scream and weep about.  Doesn't make anyone stupid or wrong, it just means they have different priorities.)

It's a representation thing.  Of course I want female characters with a variety of personalities and characterizations, regardless of appearance.  But video games are a very visual medium.  Unlike many novels, I'm not free to imagine the characters any way I like - their appearance is illustrated, in living, moving form, on my screen.  And that's amazing and wonderful technology.  But it also means that again, yet, still, the women I see held up as admirable and heroic will be tall, slender and shapely.  Which is fine, but variety is nice, you know?

Dwarven women in DAO and DAA were adorable, witchy, brilliant, mad, loyal, loving, sarcastic, pathetic, treacherous, cruel and deadly - and they did it while being short and thick.  (Hourglass-shaped, naturally, but thick.)  It may not be important to you, but it made an enormous impact on me.  Women who didn't match the prevailing beauty norm but were shown being important - you don't get that much in modern entertainment.

It probably sounds silly if you're the sort of person who either finds their 'type' well-represented in a variety of fictional roles, or if you're the sort of person who doesn't care.  But there are people - I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one, and I'm pretty sure it's not just body type that's an issue, but I won't go speaking for others - for whom seeing somebody like us kicking ass and taking names is a rare thing, and so it is very inherently valuable when we find it.

[FaWa]

I'm pretty sure no one in this thread has a fetish for female dwarves

[DreGregoire]

Personally, I'm a bit insulted that people would assume I'm interested in having female dwarves in DAIII because I have a fetish. And I'm not really sure how even making such statements adds to the thread topic at all.

I am aware that resources are tight for Bioware for making games, which is why I am hopeful that there will be a need for female dwarf models in DAIII. Certainly the fact that there once were active thaigs throughout Thedas gives me some hope, but only time will tell if it happens.

Modifié par DreGregoire, 14 novembre 2012 - 06:57 .

[leminzplz]

My avatar dwarf supports this thread!

[TEWR]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

If I find a genie in a lamp and get three wishes, I will only use two for myself and make the third one "dwarven gorrilla mounts, specifically with a drunk naked Ogrhen" for you, TEWR. You have my word on that.

Tears of Joy are being shed!

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 16 novembre 2012 - 08:32 .