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[Stenun]

For months some people have been saying on this board that multiplayer is too hard.  Whenever they try, though, they get drowned out by people accusing them of whining or of people flat out telling them to shut up or of people telling them that actually the game isn't hard enough because the person responding is SuperGamer and wants it to be a challenge akin to ice skating uphill.

Maybe as a result of the vocal elite players on this forum or maybe genuinelly because of their own ideas of what the game should be, BioWare have indeed been slowly making this game harder.  I thought the introduction of Platinum would be an end to it but no; the other difficulties were still made slowly harder, kits got nerfed, more powerful enemies got introduced, and more and more players on the game itself complained over mic that the game was getting harder.  But still BSN refused to listen and still BioWare kept up the difficulty increases.

And then, today, in the preview of tomorrow's Balance Changes, we get told:
"[w]e are seeing a tendency for players to play at lower difficulties in order to complete challenges"

And you know what Bioware and you vocal elite players?  There's a bloody good reason for that ...

[corporal doody]

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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 14 novembre 2012 - 11:02 .

[Beelzebubs]

Whining about whiners?

[EvoSigma]

Welcome to the magically fairy land known as "BSN".....

[RagingDream]

The amount of whining I see on this thread each day makes me want to hit myself with a brick. It's stated that they are doing the whole XP boost to Gold and Platinum to encourage players to branch out and get better at Gold and Platinum. It's entirely possible to get good at the game, but if you want my God honest opinion, you won't get any better playing Bronze and Silver.

[lazysundae]

What's your question?

[codename2o2]

I personally have no problem with them tweaking the xp/score rewards for gold/platinum. Mainly because I couldn't give three rat's behinds about the challenge system. I'll play whatever difficulty I want with whatever weapon/kit I want.

[Asari Goddess]

Beelzebubs wrote...

Whining about whiners?

LOL this is funny 

[Lt RedTide]

I don't see what the problem is with players completing challenges on lower difficulties. It's their choice to do so. There's no need to penalize them for it by upping the difficulty quite honestly.

Edit: However, it is nice that they are increasing the rewards for the higher difficulties. Maybe it'll make me want to play Gold more.

Modifié par Lt RedTide, 14 novembre 2012 - 04:53 .

[Mindlog]

Stenun wrote...
And you know what Bioware and you vocal elite players?  There's a bloody good reason for that ...

Husks,

[Site_Ser]

EvoSigma wrote...

Welcome to the magically fairy land known as "BSN".....

Where noober-kaboobers roam free...

[Saans Shadow]

Ugh...

[etm125]

Stenun wrote...

And then, today, in the preview of tomorrow's Balance Changes, we get told:
"[w]e are seeing a tendency for players to play at lower difficulties in order to complete challenges"

And you know what Bioware and you vocal elite players?  There's a bloody good reason for that ...

And its not because the game is too difficult. 

[Elecbender]

It is to take advantage of a single enemy spawning continuously in a wave.

For example, Wave 3 Silver Reapers is arguably the best wave for getting the Husk challenge done.
By manipulating the spawns in Wave 10 Silver Cerberus, you can have endless Guardians spawn.

That's why people play lower difficulties for challenges. There are few exploits like that on the harder difficulties.

Not to mention if you want to get Waves Completed out of the way just do solo Bronze Glacier or Bronze PUGs.  12 minutes max.

Modifié par Elecbender, 14 novembre 2012 - 05:01 .

[Avl521]

Well come on that's just ridiculous. Platinum is pretty damn hard for me, but anything below is fun and simple with the exception of a few mistakes on Gold. It's been a long time, by now you should be getting better so the game getting harder shouldn't be a problem. And yes, most people play lower difficulties for challenges because it's faster to get banners that way, not because the game is impossibly hard.

[Sidney]

Lt RedTide wrote...

I don't see what the problem is with players completing challenges on lower difficulties. It's their choice to do so. There's no need to penalize them for it by upping the difficulty quite honestly.

Edit: However, it is nice that they are increasing the rewards for the higher difficulties. Maybe it'll make me want to play Gold more.

XP doesn't motivate me much so don't care...but they have plenty of challenges that are based on what level you play at (maps, solo) so there are challenges to be had.

The problem is that some weapons suck so hard no one will/can use them at G/P levels. Anyone want to try the Predator challenge on Gold - and yes I'm sure someone has but I'm referring here to people who have a life.

[Stenun]

Firstly, thanks to those who have demonstrated once again why it's so hard to have a proper discussion on these forums. BSN never fails to disappointment in that respect.

Moving on to those of you who are more willing to talk ... :-)

I didn't say the game was impossibly hard, I said most players are finding it increasingly too hard.

Personally, I like playing Gold. The only reason I've been playing mostly Silver recently is because that's what my Friends play. Because for most of them, Gold is too hard. And they're not the only ones. Loads of people on mic in public games say there's no point playing Gold now as it's too hard. Yes, Gold is beatable but that's not the same thing at all. Not everyone wants a massive challenge for every game - in fact, most people don't want a massive challenge at all. But that's what the game is turning into for most players. The elite players will scoff and poor scorn on that statement but it's true.
I'd be very interested to see just how many people have completed Solo Mastery because while I have no doubt that most of the vocal BSNers have it, most of the wider player base won't.

If BioWare want to keep making the game harder then OK, it's up to them. But to then turn round and say that they want to do something about the reduced numbers playing the higher difficulties is utterly preposterous.

[Cyonan]

The reason is because points can be obtained much quicker on lower levels, not because the higher ones are "too hard". This goes double for units like the Guardian where you barely even get to see guy on Gold, and whenever you do he's dead in 2 seconds because everybody else in the game has their Guardian points lagging behind just like you do.

Yes Platinum and Gold are not easy difficulties for some players, but there are those of us that enjoy the more challenging mode and those of us that enjoy overcoming something that we cannot currently complete.

What I don't get is why you seemingly want to deny us this. I get that not everybody wants challenging gameplay, but there are still 2 difficulties for that. Silver got pretty tough for some players lately, but Bioware looked into that and even made changes to tone it down a bit.

[ZiRK]

Saans Shadow wrote...

Ugh...

This video goes with 90% of the threads on this forum lol.

[NexionSE]

well from my PoV the game has only goten easyer then it was at day back then u got kicked from games if u werent lvl 20 on bronze atleast on pc it was
also none is forced to play platinum and gold hasnt goten any harder then it was in the past asfar as i know

Modifié par NexionSE, 14 novembre 2012 - 05:33 .

[Xaio]

Stenun wrote...

For months some people have been saying on this board that multiplayer is too hard.  Whenever they try, though, they get drowned out by people accusing them of whining or of people flat out telling them to shut up or of people telling them that actually the game isn't hard enough because the person responding is SuperGamer and wants it to be a challenge akin to ice skating uphill.

Maybe as a result of the vocal elite players on this forum or maybe genuinelly because of their own ideas of what the game should be, BioWare have indeed been slowly making this game harder.  I thought the introduction of Platinum would be an end to it but no; the other difficulties were still made slowly harder, kits got nerfed, more powerful enemies got introduced, and more and more players on the game itself complained over mic that the game was getting harder.  But still BSN refused to listen and still BioWare kept up the difficulty increases.

And then, today, in the preview of tomorrow's Balance Changes, we get told:
"[w]e are seeing a tendency for players to play at lower difficulties in order to complete challenges"

And you know what Bioware and you vocal elite players?  There's a bloody good reason for that ...

  Actually it is too hard, but not for me.  You see, this is a team game, that means I can't solo the waves even if I'm skilled(which I am).  What this means is that it truly doesn't matter how good I get, unless I'm playing a truly op class or gimp myself on oh say, silver, said game usually doesn't make it(Using the Ghost drains the fun out of it and I care less about the Ultra Rare weapons).  To drive this home, I just played a game with a terrible PUG team(I don't have many friends and they're probably playing the newer games, I honestly don't blame them really) who refused to gel and nearly wiped on 3 and almost failed on 6 because of greed.

Alas, this is BSN the home of complete idiots and Xbox kiddies(along with lots of dumb PC players), nothing good ever gets done via this forum.

But to be truly honest, the difference in points between difficulties is practically minimal, and such is why people go to Bronze for their challenges, because it's easier and more efficent.  And BSN is fools for thinking that Bioware's next move will really make that much of a difference in this.

Modifié par Xaio, 14 novembre 2012 - 05:30 .

[Stenun]

Cyonan wrote...

... there are those of us that enjoy the more challenging mode and those of us that enjoy overcoming something that we cannot currently complete.

What I don't get is why you seemingly want to deny us this ...

I don't want to deny you anything of the sort.
What I am saying is that if BioWare are going to keep making the game more difficult, they've got to expect fewer people will play the harder difficulty settings.  For them to now be wanting to do something about that after they've spent months pushing the less elite gamers away from those setting is preposterous.

Modifié par Stenun, 14 novembre 2012 - 05:30 .

[Oni Changas]

Are you that dense that it didn't clue you in that the reason people went into silver/bronze farming for challenges was because of the difficulty in getting points from gold/platinum-rare enemies such as troopers and husks? It has nothing to do with it being undauntingly difficult.

[Kushiel42]

Stenun wrote...

Loads of people on mic in public games say there's no point playing Gold now as it's too hard. Yes, Gold is beatable but that's not the same thing at all. Not everyone wants a massive challenge for every game - in fact, most people don't want a massive challenge at all. But that's what the game is turning into for most players...

...for most players playing gold, you mean? You've got nothing to object to, then - the devs have stated that gold is meant to be really hard, even for veteran players. So if it is, then mission accomplished.

Given that there are two easier difficulties, and you're not (usually) forced by the game itself to play above your level of skill, this seems like a stealth complaint about not getting enough credits/XP/epeen for playing silver and bronze. Not meant to be an insult; correct me if I'm wrong? I can't really parse what point you're trying to make, otherwise.

[Stenun]

OniTYME wrote...

Are you that dense that it didn't clue you in that the reason people went into silver/bronze farming for challenges was because of the difficulty in getting points from gold/platinum-rare enemies such as troopers and husks? It has nothing to do with it being undauntingly difficult.

Are you so dense that you have to question the intelligence of anyone whose opinion isn't precisely the same as yours?