232 réponses à ce sujet

[Zubi Fett]

I disagree, I have never seen any one complaining about it and I definitely don't see the game getting harder.

Modifié par Zubi Fett, 14 novembre 2012 - 09:18 .

[Dezerte]

Play Bronze, unless you think that is also hard then I could see your point having some validity.

[blacklanner]

Dezman8 wrote...

Play Bronze, unless you think that is also hard then I could see your point having some validity.

YES! Universal solution to everything. The only tiny little problem here. This is not what we are discussing here about.

Move along.

[Saans Shadow]

Mr SeVerS wrote...

Saans Shadow wrote...

Ugh...

This video goes with 90% of the threads on this forum lol.

That's why It's probably going to be my generic response to whine threads from now on lol

[sobit]

resume conversation here

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Agree with OP.

[78stonewobble]

I'm just thankfull that the op realises that "My experience is not necessarily applicable to other peoples experiences" aka subjectivity.

A few of the respondents haven't quite realised this very basic concept yet.

More on topic:

I think there should be something for everyone. I don't quite know what biowares "targets" is in regards to difficulty.

Eg. that 10 percent of the player base should be able to complete platinum. 30 percent for gold, 60 % for silver and 90 % for bronze.

I don't have access to any stats for this but I think it's a valid point that fun, xp and credits rewards should be looked at so that they match the difficulty that most players (on their respective difficulties) are experiencing.

Eg. I personally think the game got somewhat harder, across all difficulties, with the addition of new units and a new faction. The new units and the new faction makes for more mistake punishing gameplay (higher difficulty) and this change haven't necessarily been reflected in rewards.

Even more basically and sorry bioware: I feel the game does a ****** poor job of preparing new people to actually play the game decently.

Eg, no tool tips on reload cancelling, running with pizza, spawn suppression and manipulation, soft cover versus hard cover not to mention the "secret" differences in difficulties. Like games being faster on higher difficulties, amount and percentages for shield and armor and so on and so on.

Which is a shame because the mp game is good and fun.

[OneMore1968]

ZLurps wrote...
Just read the thread and I think people are talking besides their points, or actually debate is actually just semantics about how difference in Gold / Silver difficulty is implemented.
I not a regular Gold player myself, though I'm going to try moving there soon since I have grinded most of stuff that can be done on Bronze/Silver. Tried Gold couple of times, but didn't had good enough setup to Gold games.
I think one thing BW might have overlooked is that many players are also grinding through N7 challenge that requires promotion. Makes sense to promote characters that gets some XP boost from PSP's cards so. I just finished it couple of days ago, and boy did it took time. Thing is everybody doesn't like playing Gold with characters under level 19 - 20 and those who are trying to get used to Gold won't even try but with level 20 characters because they don't wan't to get kicked.
About difficulty in general, I think there are other factors than just numbers behind enemies that contribute to perceived difficulty.
Gold is less forgiving that Silver, that's for sure but things like:- Lag- FOV issues with some players, not everyone can remember entire map layout and can forget obstacles behind their back and get stuck etc.- Uneven teams on PUG's - Gold games can take a long time to finish and not everybody is willing to use that much time.
IMO contribute to perceived difficulty a lot.I don't see any of those could be fixed, it's just that some people learn to live with them better than others, have better Internet connection etc.

I agree.  There are more factors at work which may contribute to making a game more difficult.  
There is definitely a degradation for me when I play at weekend with increased latency it can sometimes even make a bronze game tricky if the players are not experienced.  I've played in matches where the other players' are jerking about all over the place and I know it's not my Internet because its ok in Solo mode, plus I'm on a 30MB connection.  during week nights it's usually fine.
Are the ppl claiming the game is too easy actually legit anyway.  Judging by other threads on here a large proportion of top players are cheating anyway.  And before you flame me - I'm not saying that all the ppl playing G/P are cheating, just some.  I've seen some player's with N7 = 150 or less and they have all the weapons maxed out including U/R's, mods, characters and their challenge rating is through the roof.  Is that even possible?
And it does come down to time.  10 mins bronze or 20+ for S/G/P difficulties.  Sometimes you feel like a real challenge and other times not.
This is completely off topic but does anyone else have issues when using the reply box on an iPad?  If the text doesn't fit in the box there seems to be no means of moving to the end of the text, especially if quoting as well.  Have to copy to Notes and then copy it from there.

Modifié par Carlina, 14 novembre 2012 - 10:58 .

[blacklanner]

Carlina wrote...
 Are the ppl claiming the game is too easy actually legit anyway.  Judging by other threads on here a large proportion of top players are cheating anyway.  And before you flame me - I'm not saying that all the ppl playing G/P are cheating, just some.  I've seen some player's with N7 = 150 or less and they have all the weapons maxed out including U/R's, mods, characters and their challenge rating is through the roof.  Is that even possible?

There are 6 classes - 20 levels per character (also level capped for class). So total N7 120. If you saw someone below that number with maxed out manifest, that yes, he is cheating. But N7 ranking number is NOT a valid indicator for comparing skills, experience etc. And I find it little bit offensive that you plainly state that players with low N7 ranking are most probably cheaters. If you suspect someone cheating, you are welcomed to report him. There are proper channels for that. Otherwise keep these accusations to yourself. 

There are players among us who are simply not leveling. I have a friend with whom I play regulary and he stays at lv 180. So what? 
And there are players, who are actually buying packs with real currency. Guess they can be considered cheaters too. But wait!! Isn´t that what BW wants?

edited

 

Modifié par Winngard, 14 novembre 2012 - 11:46 .

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

Carlina wrote...

ZLurps wrote...
Just read the thread and I think people are talking besides their points, or actually debate is actually just semantics about how difference in Gold / Silver difficulty is implemented.
I not a regular Gold player myself, though I'm going to try moving there soon since I have grinded most of stuff that can be done on Bronze/Silver. Tried Gold couple of times, but didn't had good enough setup to Gold games.
I think one thing BW might have overlooked is that many players are also grinding through N7 challenge that requires promotion. Makes sense to promote characters that gets some XP boost from PSP's cards so. I just finished it couple of days ago, and boy did it took time. Thing is everybody doesn't like playing Gold with characters under level 19 - 20 and those who are trying to get used to Gold won't even try but with level 20 characters because they don't wan't to get kicked.
About difficulty in general, I think there are other factors than just numbers behind enemies that contribute to perceived difficulty.
Gold is less forgiving that Silver, that's for sure but things like:- Lag- FOV issues with some players, not everyone can remember entire map layout and can forget obstacles behind their back and get stuck etc.- Uneven teams on PUG's - Gold games can take a long time to finish and not everybody is willing to use that much time.
IMO contribute to perceived difficulty a lot.I don't see any of those could be fixed, it's just that some people learn to live with them better than others, have better Internet connection etc.

I agree.  There are more factors at work which may contribute to making a game more difficult.  
There is definitely a degradation for me when I play at weekend with increased latency it can sometimes even make a bronze game tricky if the players are not experienced.  I've played in matches where the other players' are jerking about all over the place and I know it's not my Internet because its ok in Solo mode, plus I'm on a 30MB connection.  during week nights it's usually fine.
Are the ppl claiming the game is too easy actually legit anyway.  Judging by other threads on here a large proportion of top players are cheating anyway.  And before you flame me - I'm not saying that all the ppl playing G/P are cheating, just some.  I've seen some player's with N7 = 150 or less and they have all the weapons maxed out including U/R's, mods, characters and their challenge rating is through the roof.  Is that even possible?
And it does come down to time.  10 mins bronze or 20+ for S/G/P difficulties.  Sometimes you feel like a real challenge and other times not.
This is completely off topic but does anyone else have issues when using the reply box on an iPad?  If the text doesn't fit in the box there seems to be no means of moving to the end of the text, especially if quoting as well.  Have to copy to Notes and then copy it from there.

Hahahaha


I must be a cheater then, with my N7 120 and all URs maxed.

Modifié par Jay_Hoxtatron, 14 novembre 2012 - 11:41 .

[OneMore1968]

Winngard wrote...

Carlina wrote... Are the ppl claiming the game is too easy actually legit anyway.  Judging by other threads on here a large proportion of top players are cheating anyway.  And before you flame me - I'm not saying that all the ppl playing G/P are cheating, just some.  I've seen some player's with N7 = 150 or less and they have all the weapons maxed out including U/R's, mods, characters and their challenge rating is through the roof.  Is that even possible?

There are 6 classes - 20 levels per character (also level capped for class). So total N7 120. If you saw someone below that number with maxed out manifest, that yes, he is cheating. But N7 ranking number is NOT a valid indicator for comparing skills, experience etc. And I find it little bit offensive that you plainly state that players with low N7 ranking are most probably cheaters. If you suspect someone cheating, you are welcomed to report him. There are proper channels for that. Otherwise keep these accusations to yourself. 
There are players among us who are simply not leveling. I have a friend with whom I play regulary and he stays at lv 180. So what? And there are players, who are actually buying packs with real currency. Guess they can be considered cheaters too. But wait!! Isn´t that what BW wants?
edited
 

 And I find it offensive that you didn't read the thread properly did you! I didn't say anywhere that all ppl on a low score cheat merely it seems very strange that they have 90% of the weapons and characters fully maxed out - And is this actually possible even by spending ££ in the Store due to the randomness of items you get.
And I rather thought the point of the BSN was to put forward opinions.  did i give a list of names?  No so therefore no accusations were made, that wasn't the point of my comment.  All i can say is you are easily offended.   I don't really see what your friend not levelling has to do with anything.  He won't unless he plays a lot and promotes his characters often.  As you say - so what?
And I do pay for stuff as well but you don't get preferential treatment so it's still pretty much down to luck what you get.  I've been playing MP since March.  I've grinded my way to N7 1380.  Not all my weapons are maxed out and I've yet to unlock all the characters.  That's what I was getting at.   
and if ppl cheat if ruins the game for the rest of us.  

[ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame]

Stenun wrote...
"[w]e are seeing a tendency for players to play at lower difficulties in order to complete challenges"

And you know what Bioware and you vocal elite players?  There's a bloody good reason for that ...

Just shows BioWare is really really special needs. "Hmm we see an increase in players playing at lower difficulties and complaining the game is too hard. Hey lets increase credit payout on the higher ones. That will fix everything!" I find BioWares logic worse than my own. BioWare pull your heads out of your own butts and stop listening to the elitists. You're losing players and having less of them play the harder difficulties because you're balance changes are pointlessly brutal and not needed. You've created glitched stun locking geth, then the other factions are gethw ith sync kills. So much for diversity in this game. Soon everyone will be N7 Destroyer on bronze playing geth. 

[DHKany]

Whineception.

[OneMore1968]

[quote]Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...
 [/quote]

Hahahaha

I must be a cheater then, with my N7 120 and all URs maxed.
[/quote]
well you certainly can't read properly.   Perhaps rather than making puerile comments you could offer up how you did that.  You must be extremely lucky and always get whatever weapons/mods/characters you want without getting tons of crap like the rest of us seem to.

[AgentStark]

It's all really unbalanced in my opinion. Silver is too hard and Gold/Platinum are too easy. Of course it may be cause I like to solo silver...

Modifié par AgentStark, 14 novembre 2012 - 01:13 .

[himohillo]

Stop being bad at video games.

Scrub.

[Fade9wayz]

Carlina wrote...

Jay_Hoxtatron wrote...
 

Hahahaha

I must be a cheater then, with my N7 120 and all URs maxed.

well you certainly can't read properly.   Perhaps rather than making puerile comments you could offer up how you did that.  You must be extremely lucky and always get whatever weapons/mods/characters you want without getting tons of crap like the rest of us seem to.

No, he is just an extremely good player, probably the best one on PC currently. He doesn't have to promote. For that matter, NOBODY has to promote to max out one's manifest. You just need to earn enough credits, which he does easily on Gold and Platinum matches. 

Modifié par Fade9wayz, 14 novembre 2012 - 01:57 .

[ZLurps]

Carlina wrote...

ZLurps wrote...
Just read the thread and I think people are talking besides their points, or actually debate is actually just semantics about how difference in Gold / Silver difficulty is implemented.

I'm not a regular Gold player myself, though I'm going to try moving there soon since I have grinded most of stuff that can be done on Bronze/Silver. Tried Gold couple of times, but didn't had good enough setup to Gold games.
I think one thing BW might have overlooked is that many players are also grinding through N7 challenge that requires promotion. Makes sense to promote characters that gets some XP boost from PSP's cards so. I just finished it couple of days ago, and boy did it took time. Thing is everybody doesn't like playing Gold with characters under level 19 - 20 and those who are trying to get used to Gold won't even try but with level 20 characters because they don't wan't to get kicked.

About difficulty in general, I think there are other factors than just numbers behind enemies that contribute to perceived difficulty.
Gold is less forgiving that Silver, that's for sure but things like:- Lag- FOV issues with some players, not everyone can remember entire map layout and can forget obstacles behind their back and get stuck etc.- Uneven teams on PUG's - Gold games can take a long time to finish and not everybody is willing to use that much time.
IMO contribute to perceived difficulty a lot.I don't see any of those could be fixed, it's just that some people learn to live with them better than others, have better Internet connection etc.

I agree.  There are more factors at work which may contribute to making a game more difficult.  
There is definitely a degradation for me when I play at weekend with increased latency it can sometimes even make a bronze game tricky if the players are not experienced.  I've played in matches where the other players' are jerking about all over the place and I know it's not my Internet because its ok in Solo mode, plus I'm on a 30MB connection.  during week nights it's usually fine.
Are the ppl claiming the game is too easy actually legit anyway.  Judging by other threads on here a large proportion of top players are cheating anyway.  And before you flame me - I'm not saying that all the ppl playing G/P are cheating, just some.  I've seen some player's with N7 = 150 or less and they have all the weapons maxed out including U/R's, mods, characters and their challenge rating is through the roof.  Is that even possible?
And it does come down to time.  10 mins bronze or 20+ for S/G/P difficulties.  Sometimes you feel like a real challenge and other times not.

This is completely off topic but does anyone else have issues when using the reply box on an iPad?  If the text doesn't fit in the box there seems to be no means of moving to the end of the text, especially if quoting as well.  Have to copy to Notes and then copy it from there.

Yeah, I usually build characters to max health and shields, but squishier builds can get killed really fast when lag is so bad enemies aren't even where they appear to be. I mean you see Cannibal at one spot, running animation is on, but it's not moving. Then you get shot from behind you, by the same Cannibal because it has moved there even graphical presentation isn't. Non tank specked builds sure have difficulties to survive from that, margin to react just isn't there.

What comes to cheaters, I recall someone with N7 rating around 70 with Harrier X a while ago, makes one wonder what is happening. Then funking rocket glitchers on Bronze... no matter how sad it is, those issues have always been there. I guess when one gets banned they just get new code and it's all good again. Just something we need to deal with, because I don't see any solution for this.

This is entirely off-topic, but while reading some posts in this thread I came to think if song like "Pinball Wizard" would be penned at these days... or perhaps it would be something very different. 

[ryanshowseason3]

Look in my sig. Gold is not supposed to be easy. It is meant to be challenging even with end game equipment and the best of players. Sorry but that is how it is.

[Dokteur Kill]

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Look in my sig. Gold is not supposed to be easy. It is meant to be challenging even with end game equipment and the best of players. Sorry but that is how it is.

So why is BioWare then trying to push more players onto gold?

[Klokos]

Dokteur Kill wrote...

ryanshowseason3 wrote...

Look in my sig. Gold is not supposed to be easy. It is meant to be challenging even with end game equipment and the best of players. Sorry but that is how it is.

So why is BioWare then trying to push more players onto gold?

But They aren't, they just want to stop people from soloing silver/bronze to get challenges.

[NoReapers]

BSN, your number one address for

[Dokteur Kill]

Klokos wrote...
But They aren't, they just want to stop people from soloing silver/bronze to get challenges.

I don't see anything about soloing

Increasing the XP/Score multipliers for Gold and Platinum difficulties. We are seeing a tendency for players to play at lower difficulties in order to complete challenges, so hopefully this will entice players to keep mastering the higher difficulties.

Face it, Eric and Derek really need to sit down and agree on whether they want the higher difficulties to be something for the very best, or something that most players should be able to ascend to eventually. Because right now, they're trying to push more and more players towards gold (if the higher credit payout wasn't already enough to make it overly attractive to people who might have more fun and be better off in silver), while at the same time increasing the difficulty and claiming it's supposed to be for the best of the best.

Personally, I say let people play the difficulty they want to play, without making it "necessary" to play the higher difficulties in order to get the most out of the game. Increase the credit rewards for bronze and silver up to the level where it's possible to unlock most of the content without spending an inordinate amount of time, and leave gold and upwards for those who want a challenge.

Modifié par Dokteur Kill, 14 novembre 2012 - 02:31 .

[Stenun]

Those of you telling me to stop whining or to "learn how to be good at the game" or some other vague helpful comment, I draw your attention to the number of people who have slowly but steadily been posting in this thread that they agree with me.

As I have been saying all along, I am not the only one who thinks the game has gotten too hard. I am not the only one who thinks it's silly that BioWare have spent months pushing people away from Gold and Platinum and is now reacting to falling numbers.

I would also like to say for the UMPTEENTH TIME, that for my own personal skill levels Gold is not that bad. But my views and opinions expressed in this thread are in consideration of other people too - not just me.

Thank you.