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[darkangel99]

no age of consent is 16 in most states, lower in some. in delaware up until close to 2000 it was 9 or 8 until somebody realized it and changed the law. i thought bioware was in austin, tx. granted im not a big follower of bioware or gaming companies in general so i could be wrong, but i do remember seeing a video on swtor where they were in austin.

[Scimal]

Borschtbeet wrote...

Don't get me wrong, both Lelianna, and Morrigan had their appeal but I thought they were too old for my liking.

I'm hoping that in the sequel there is at least one female character between the ages of 16-18 that can be romancable.  If this is a fantasy game, why not feature female characters in the prime of their life?

Human females do not stop maturing (mentally or physically) until about their mid-20's (same with guys). I don't see how you can call someone 7 years away from being a full-on adult in their "prime," but to each their own.

Well, I'm 26 but I just happen to prefer teens over women in their 20's. Not to say women in their 20's are bad, it's just that teens are usually better.
Just compare Britney Spears 17 year old schoolgirl look from 1998 to her old, ugly, white trash appearance today.

Actually, I hated her then, and hate her even more now. She's always been white-trash to me. When you make it big off a song about innuendo and sell your body for fame, I can't see how it makes you otherwise.

Her sister, however, is just getting better with age - at least appearance-wise. I don't listen to either's music.

I think most people deep down agree with this but they just don't want to admit it because it's taboo, despite adult/teenage romances having been prevalent throughout thousands of years of human history.
I doubt the world of Ferelden would be so stuffy about teens. Teens are young adults afterall.

I don't agree one bit. Teenagers are nothing but naive, inexperienced drama-pushers who are usually sharp as a marble to boot. I was one once, and I wouldn't call my teenage years anywhere near "better" than my 20's. If anything, I'm looking forward to my 30's and 40's so I can get my 20's out of the way.

Maturity and intelligence levels are important for me in a relationship. Due to those priorities, I stay away from every single teen girl, and most 20/21 year olds as well. I also look for women above my age, up until about 29 or 30.

Also, while it's true that "Adult-man with Teenage-woman" is a fairly consistent factor, it's good to keep in mind that it usually didn't run younger than 16 or 17, and it was almost always political, with the husband having several other mistresses of a more child-bearing-appropriate age, since the young wives were prone to dying during childbirth.

The characters in Dragon Age are not real people though, I don't see why anybody should care.

Some won't, some definitely will. The problem is that those that will care outnumber those that won't. Those that don't care are those people like yourself, while those that do include not only the religious nutwings and right-wingers, but people who just think it's wrong for an adult man to go after a girl. Not a woman, a girl.

16 is the age of consent where I live. It's not like the USA's moralistic garbage has to be forced on the rest of the world. If we make 18 the age of consent in Dragon Age, next thing we know we're going to find out that the people of Ferelden have abandoned the maker to learn about the teachings of Jesus.

"USA's moralistic garbage," eh? What exactly were you hoping to achieve with that sentence on this forum owned by an American company?

P.S. - The age of consent varies from state to state. In Hawaii it's 14, in Oregon it's 16 with a 2-year difference clause, and in D.C. it's 17 I believe. The age of consent is dictated by the local state government, and not by national law.

I don't think moralistic bible thumping crusaders care about gaming anyways. The only games they play are Noah's bible adventures, and The Left Behind games.

Well, you're wrong.

Bioware can go ahead and ****** them off as they please without worrying about harming their regular fan base.

Mm, I'm pretty sure a majority of their fanbase (who seem to be in their 20's and 30's, with a good chunk older) would be fairly put off from sleeping with a teenager.

I say bring on the teenage girls!

Make a mod yourself.

Ah, I can see the dialogue now:

PC: "You want Morrigan to come with me? Whatever for?"
Teenage Morrigan: "But MOOOOOM! I don't want to go with him!"
Flemeth: "Shush girl, you're going with the Warden."
Teenage Morrigan: "I hate you! You know that?! You're the worst mother ever! Why don't you ever care about what I want to do? What I want to be? Huh?" *Morrigan slams the hut door and can be heard crying inside."
Flemeth: "She's yours now."

At camp.....

Morrigan: "You... you got me this? No one's ever gotten me something like this before. Ooh, Warden... I love you! I love you so much! I love you! I love you! I love you! And I'll always love you, always and forever! Screw what my mother says, I'm not her slave. Let's just grow old together, can't we Warden?"
PC: "Uh, you're welcome?"

Not to mention after her "first cutscene"...

Morrigan: *Morrigan lies curled up, knees to her chest with a tear-stained face.*
PC: "I'm sorry, I... I didn't know I was your first."
Morrigan: *sniffles*
PC: "If I hurt you, I didn't mean to. Next time you'll enjoy it, promise."
Morrigan: "I just want to go HOME! Please!"
PC: "Fine..."



Mm-hmm! Nothing like romancing a teenager!

Well, except maybe jamming nails up your nose with a hammer...

Until BioWare makes that official, though, I'll be perfectly happy romancing real women (virtual or not).

Modifié par Scimal, 03 janvier 2010 - 05:27 .

[Admiralce]

ages of 16-18 !?? Are u kidding me?, In my country they will throw u into the jail for that.



though, if this happen, The game might be ban in my country.

[OPlatypusPrime]

Admiralce wrote...

ages of 16-18 !?? Are u kidding me?, In my country they will throw u into the jail for that.

though, if this happen, The game might be ban in my country.

Exactly, thats why they don't do that.

[Zabaniya]

Damn, someone should've told Arl Eamon and Isolde this.

[Pocketgb]

hereticeyes wrote...

-bald (see chick from Mask of the Betrayer)

I thought she was pretty hawt, personally.

[VanDraegon]

16-18 might very well be physical prime for young girls, but it sure isnt their emotional, mental or maturity prime. The trade off really isnt worth it.

[TheMadCat]

Bioware was timid with the topless nudity in the sex scene, no way they'd touch this with a 50 foot poll.



But from a practical standpoint alone, I just don't see any way it would work. What skills could they possibly possess to warrant putting them constantly in the think of battle and life threatening situations, where your survival relies on them just as much as they rely on you. I just don't see a 16 year old of any gender and of any background that'd I'd like to take with me wading through hordes and hordes of Darkspawn and undead.

[Pocketgb]

VanDraegon wrote...

16-18 might very well be physical prime for young girls, but it sure isnt their emotional, mental or maturity prime. The trade off really isnt worth it.

A. MEN. TIMES. A THOUSAND.

[Reader81]

Bioware may want safe profit at least, so they had to follow a law of country, otherwise they might lost profit greatly at least in american, risking lead game ban (all for nothing in 5 years), paid a count when someone lawsuit Bioware, ect, many thing are very costly if they might not follow law or rule of country.

[knownastherat]

This might be little off-topic, but according to some psychologists/sexologists there is a "hope" for (whom we call) pedophiles in future exactly because of ability to have "relations" with virtual characters. There is allegedly some evidence that some pedophiles can be "satisfied" virtually, which is as of today only possible through child pornography. Assuming child pornography is not the way to go, assuming the society wants to minimize child abuse, the virtual route seems valid.

To the topic, I would not mind younger characters, though romances in games are not important to me anyways.

Modifié par knownastherat, 03 janvier 2010 - 06:05 .

[Fleb]

I say, bring on the romanceable Wynne DLC! us wrinklies need love too

[Cybercat999]

Admiralce wrote...

ages of 16-18 !?? Are u kidding me?, In my country they will throw u into the jail for that.

though, if this happen, The game might be ban in my country.

Ditto. This thread is borderline paedophilic. Distasteful.

Modifié par Cybercat999, 03 janvier 2010 - 06:09 .

[Basher of Glory]

That's the evidence:
People keep saying "old men love school girls"
The truth: EVERY "man" loves school girls!

An advice for the OP:
For all you said about the USA.... when you finally choose your profession, don't apply to the diplomatic corps.

:PB)

Modifié par Baher of Glory, 03 janvier 2010 - 06:10 .

[Pocketgb]

Cybercat999 wrote...

Ditto. This thread is borderline paedophilic. Distasteful.

I could understand it being a bit relatable to a "recently 18" sort of audience, I suppose. How old is the main protaganist, anyways?

[knownastherat]

Might be distasteful, but it does not change the fact there are people who like, for whatever reason, younger partners. Sure we can call such people deviants, lock them up, castrate them, drug them, or maybe just shoot them and be over with it, or we can give them what they want without causing  any harm in the so-called real world.

Modifié par knownastherat, 03 janvier 2010 - 06:14 .

[Basher of Glory]

Pocketgb wrote...

How old is the main protaganist, anyways?

He pretends to be 26.

[Pocketgb]

Hmmm...That's a bit iffy, but legal is legal - at least in the US.



16 is a completely no-no, though.

[oyzar]

They aren't going to release content which cause them legal problems in a large amount of countries. What one poster said that the majority of people probably would find this content repulsive enough not to buy (it is legal in a large amount of countries after all), it is a large enough group that there is no reason to cause those problems when they don't have to. There aren't many people who would not buy the games because the content is not in the game, while there are many who would not buy it because such content is in. I don't really want such content, but i wouldn't mind it if it was there. That said i would much rather have more nudity instead of underage, but that will cause it's own set of problems.



The solution to this is rather simple however. Modding in extra characters, nudity or whatever should be possible. I would rather have more romances rather than extreeme content however. There is also the option of looking elsewhere, as already mentioned japanese hentai games certainly got what you are looking for...

[Cybercat999]

knownastherat wrote...

Might be distasteful, but it does not change the fact there are people who like, for whatever reason, younger partners. Sure we can call such people deviants, lock them up, castrate them, drug them, or maybe just shoot them and be over with it, or we can give them what they want without causing  any harm in the so-called real world.

Maybe you could give your 16 years old daughter to whoever wants "younger partner" and think you never caused any harm. Some parents might think differently.

[Scimal]

knownastherat wrote...

Might be distasteful, but it does not change the fact there are people who like, for whatever reason, younger partners. Sure we can call such people deviants, lock them up, castrate them, drug them, or maybe just shoot them and be over with it, or we can give them what they want without causing  any harm in the so-called real world.

Woh woh woh woh... Wait a tick there.

First off, it's not the "so-called" real world - it's the "real-world." Period. Unless you're religious beliefs delineate otherwise.

Secondly, there is an incredibly distinct line between fantasizing about something and following through on the fantasy. Almost everybody else in the world is capable of fantasizing about taboo topics while not actually experiencing the real thing.

The reason why child molesters, abusers, and sexual offenders are so very detested is because they lack the ability to stop themselves. They can't just have the fantasy, they must have the real thing. It's been shown over and over again that it doesn't matter what sort of therapy they go through, they will almost always return to what they were doing. That's why the poster above put "hope" in quotation marks - it's a far-fetched idea.

Giving pedophiles a virtual playland will not prevent recurrences, and it will not "stunt" future pedophiles. The very nature of a sexual offender is the inability to remain with the fantasy, not because they couldn't find an outlet. Also, if anything, it's been shown that constant exposure will only increase the occurrence of the behavior. Exposure to violence will make a person more violent. Releasing anger makes a person quicker to anger. Once a behavior has passed the time necessary to go from voluntary to involuntary, it becomes incredibly difficult to stop that behavior. That's why most people still eat a lot of junk food even though they know it's incredibly bad for them.

The psychology is always changing, but so far the suggestions of "letting them have their fun" have only minimal support behind them, and decades of evidence showing that it probably won't work.

On the flip side, giving healthy individuals capable of recognizing the difference between action (and consequence) and fantasy a way to fulfill fantasies doesn't automatically produce deviants. However, since that's very difficult to prove empirically, there's still a lot of work to be done on how or why that line is crossed - which is why it's still a very hot-button topic in a lot of countries.

Until more research is done, it's usually best to err on the side of caution and not tempt fate - particularly if you're an enormous, international corporation who has a lot to lose with one bad decision.

Of course, there's also the issue that most people who carry out fantasies do so in an incredibly selfish fashion, completely ignoring or refusing to acknowledge the flip side of the relationship. If I were a father to a 16-year old daughter (who I know is not mentally or physically mature) who was involved in a romantic relationship with someone who was 26 (who, by all accounts, should be at least physically mature) I would do everything I could to break it up (including calling the Police) unless he showed me - beyond any absolute shadow of my incredibly cynical mind - that he wasn't just looking for some hot, young thing to tap.

And, thankfully, at 16 it's still my legal right to control her life utterly and completely, so I'd win.

And on one last note, before the thread gets locked, I think women in their 20's and early 30's look FAR better than teenagers. They have more grace, they have more tone, and they have some actual fashion.

Modifié par Scimal, 03 janvier 2010 - 06:41 .

[Mikey_205]

Aren't these games about transporting people to another time and place. In most feudal societies girl's were considered ready when they had their first period. A Song of Fire and Ice a strong inspiration for the Dragon Age setting and story certainly had this. Why should creative ventures be compromised by the need for political correctness. If Bioware had wanted to do this and were scared because of popular opinion and poltical correctness I think that's a shame, but I doubt they wanted to.



I don't really see the problem though except for prudes. Selling people into slavery, inciting racial hatred and murdering children are also considered illegal in most countries.

[knownastherat]

That is why I was talking about "virtual road". As I said there are opinions, from professionals on the subject (no do not have links atm), claiming the virtual road could help to reduce actual child abuse in the future. Same goes for prostitution for example where there as studies indicating that legalizing prostitution can help to reduce domestic violence.



This is to say that there might be phenomena we dislike or do not accept, but the question is: What do we want? Reduce child abuse? Reduce domestic violence? Hang onto taboos because they are disgusting?



Your choice.

[Schneidend]

I think Dragon Age could benefit from a "child soldier" NPC. Like Grey Fox from the Metal Gear franchise. A youthful, exuberant, soulless killing machine. Perhaps in an expansion or DA2.



What the OP is asking for, however, borders on pandering to pedophiles. You're asking for it for all the wrong reasons, I think. If you can't find a woman older than 19 attractive, you may want to consider getting professional help of some kind.



Scimal pretty much has the right idea throughout this thread, including the humorous and disturbingly true "teen Morri" fiction he wrote. Morrigan would probably be a pretty cool teenager, but infinitely less awesome than her adult self.

[Dahelia]

Scimal wrote...

Make a mod yourself.

Ah, I can see the dialogue now:

PC: "You want Morrigan to come with me? Whatever for?"
Teenage Morrigan: "But MOOOOOM! I don't want to go with him!"
Flemeth: "Shush girl, you're going with the Warden."
Teenage Morrigan: "I hate you! You know that?! You're the worst mother ever! Why don't you ever care about what I want to do? What I want to be? Huh?" *Morrigan slams the hut door and can be heard crying inside."
Flemeth: "She's yours now."

At camp.....

Morrigan: "You... you got me this? No one's ever gotten me something like this before. Ooh, Warden... I love you! I love you so much! I love you! I love you! I love you! And I'll always love you, always and forever! Screw what my mother says, I'm not her slave. Let's just grow old together, can't we Warden?"
PC: "Uh, you're welcome?"

Not to mention after her "first cutscene"...

Morrigan: *Morrigan lies curled up, knees to her chest with a tear-stained face.*
PC: "I'm sorry, I... I didn't know I was your first."
Morrigan: *sniffles*
PC: "If I hurt you, I didn't mean to. Next time you'll enjoy it, promise."
Morrigan: "I just want to go HOME! Please!"
PC: "Fine..."



Mm-hmm! Nothing like romancing a teenager!

Well, except maybe jamming nails up your nose with a hammer...

Until BioWare makes that official, though, I'll be perfectly happy romancing real women (virtual or not).

This made me laugh...a lot.... For the OP, what he can't have in real life he wants in the virtual world...

Modifié par Dahelia, 03 janvier 2010 - 06:40 .