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[savagesparrow]

Personally, I'd like to see Wynne become a romanceable option--let's get some rockin' cougar action! She said it herself, after all, "There's still some life in these old bones yet..."



--sparrow

[Cybercat999]

So you suggest that Bioware should start producing games as some kind of psycho medication material? I dont know what kind of rating that would be but I sure know I wouldnt buy such game.

[Nuegen]

If you don't think either of the Avatars are as attractive as you would like, use a beauty mod and move on. Not a one of the romances in this game states her actual age. So the OP's post is moot, unless its a fish to attract fellow pedophiles.

[knownastherat]

Me? I do not suggest anything to Bioware nor to anyone else. I was just reacting to the material at hand. My opinion is that there is/should be a huge difference between "legality" of something that is virtual and what is so-called real, but that is about it.

edit: in other words ..IF it would be possible to have Holodecks like in Star Trek I would not consdier anything what happens in there punishable by ordinary laws.

Modifié par knownastherat, 03 janvier 2010 - 06:48 .

[Scimal]

Mikey_205 wrote...

Aren't these games about transporting people to another time and place. In most feudal societies girl's were considered ready when they had their first period.

Women achieved their periods at the average age of 16 or 17 in Feudal societies (and many current societies which aren't considered "modern").

There has been a massive shift in maturation rates over the last 100 years, due to a lot of environmental factors (like diets and drops in physical exercise), which has resulted in girls getting periods several years younger than has been traditional.

[Demonic Spoon]

But that's all irrelevant. Someone who has just reached the age of maturity isn't going to be joining a party of people killing Darkspawn. You're not wooing random village girls, all the companions in the game are battle-hardened asskickingmachines. Listen to Leilana's backstory and you'll figure out soon enough why she can shoot a bow pretty well. Likewise with Morrigan.



It takes time to acquire that kind of skill.

[T1l]

Isn't having sex with a 16 year old when you're over 20 statutory rape?

[Demonic Spoon]

T1l wrote...

Isn't having sex with a 16 year old when you're over 20 statutory rape?

A) It depends on where you are. In most places, it's not

 This is a medieval fantasy setting, not modern day America/Europe.

[Dahelia]

T1l wrote...

Isn't having sex with a 16 year old when you're over 20 statutory rape?

Well...yeah....it is...

[Nuegen]

Scimal wrote...

Women achieved their periods at the average age of 16 or 17 in Feudal societies (and many current societies which aren't considered "modern").

There has been a massive shift in maturation rates over the last 100 years, due to a lot of environmental factors (like diets and drops in physical exercise), which has resulted in girls getting periods several years younger than has been traditional.

Total BS with no proof whatsoever.  Just wanted to get that out there before someone actually believes in this claptrap.

Modifié par Nuegen, 03 janvier 2010 - 07:02 .

[Sylixe]

Borschtbeet wrote...

The characters in Dragon Age are not real people though, I don't see why anybody should care.

16 is the age of consent where I live. It's not like the USA's moralistic garbage has to be forced on the rest of the world. If we make 18 the age of consent in Dragon Age, next thing we know we're going to find out that the people of Ferelden have abandoned the maker to learn about the teachings of Jesus.

However to SELL such a game in the US they have to adhere to strict regulations.  They would never be allowed to sell such a prduct in the US and since we make up a large portion of the consumers for said games it would be like shooting yourself in the foot.

[StuartMarshall]

Just to clarify, there is nothing close to pedophilia in this thread. Pedophilia is the attraction to PREpubescent children. Hebephilia is the attraction to young teens in puberty, while Ephebophilia is attraction to older teens (15-19). Hebephilia and Ephebophilia were actually considered natural in many classic civilizations, the push of Christianity basically made them "wrong". I'm not taking sides here, just stating facts and trying to stop the frothing moralists from going OTT.

[Dahelia]

Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...

Dahelia wrote...

T1l wrote...

Isn't having sex with a 16 year old when you're over 20 statutory rape?

Well...yeah....it is...

It used to be 14 years old here in Canada up until a few years ago...

Where I lived (3 states as of now) it has been up to 17...once a person reaches 18...they are allowed to make their own decisions about their body...

[T1l]

Demonic Spoon wrote...

A) It depends on where you are. In most places, it's not

 This is a medieval fantasy setting, not modern day America/Europe.

Yeah, but despite the setting, YOU aren't in the fantasy setting. You're in the real world, and most western cultures consider sex with a minor illegal. In fact, I can't think of a country that doesn't prohibit it (although, there probably are a few, unfortunately). Child Pornography is banned for exactly this reason. If pictures of Child Pornography were taken with a medieval theme, it wouldn't make a shred of difference in court.

People who think Bioware are going to be putting in underage love interests in their games need a reality check.

Even reading about underage sex is controversial. George R. R. Martins’ work, for example, is questionable in places for exactly this reason – his stuff is unsettlingly graphic considering the age of Daenerys; but I digress. It’s an interactive, visual medium we’re talking about. It’s not going to happen.

Modifié par T1l, 03 janvier 2010 - 07:08 .

[uberman409]

Hehe. Good thing I brought my flame retardant suit. Y'all are morons for arguing over something this extraneous for a GAME, and becoming creatures of pure NERDRAGE. XD

[Demonic Spoon]

I thought the age of consent was 18 in the USA. Bioware is a Canadian company.

It varies by state but in most places it's 16.

Yeah, but despite the setting, YOU aren't in the fantasy setting.
You're in the real world, and most western cultures consider sex with a
minor illegal. In fact, I can't think of a country that doesn't
prohibit it (although, there probably are a few, unfortunately). Child
Pornography is banned for exactly this reason. If pictures of Child
Pornography were taken with a medieval theme, it wouldn't make a shred
of difference in court.

No, they don't. As has been said multiple times, in most places the age of consent is 16.

Regardless, there would be nothing illegal about it, at least in the US. It just doesn't make sense in the context of the story for companions to be age 16.

Modifié par Demonic Spoon, 03 janvier 2010 - 07:12 .

[Scimal]

Nuegen wrote...

Scimal wrote...

Women achieved their periods at the average age of 16 or 17 in Feudal societies (and many current societies which aren't considered "modern").

There has been a massive shift in maturation rates over the last 100 years, due to a lot of environmental factors (like diets and drops in physical exercise), which has resulted in girls getting periods several years younger than has been traditional.

Total BS with no proof whatsoever.  Just wanted to get that out there before someone actually believes in this claptrap.

If you'd like some proof, I might point you to your local women's gymanstics team.

The healthier you eat and the more exercise you get, the later (on average) girls get their periods. The buildup of aidpose tissue messes with the maturation of the human body in a lot of ways, and some in which we're only discovering recently. After all, almost all the hormones in the body come from fat, and when you have an excess of fat, it's only logical to assume some things having to do with hormones will be out of whack.

Which is why, even 500 years ago, it was still somewhat shocking for a man to take a 13-year old as his wife - she wasn't going to bare any children for at least 3 years. It was much more common for 16 or 17 year olds to be married off, since if the marriage didn't produce heirs, it usually wasn't worth it.

[AsheraII]

Scimal wrote...

Mikey_205 wrote...

Aren't these games about transporting people to another time and place. In most feudal societies girl's were considered ready when they had their first period.

Women achieved their periods at the average age of 16 or 17 in Feudal societies (and many current societies which aren't considered "modern").

There has been a massive shift in maturation rates over the last 100 years, due to a lot of environmental factors (like diets and drops in physical exercise), which has resulted in girls getting periods several years younger than has been traditional.

First of all, many diets DROP fertility rather dramatically. There are currently researches indicating how a girl may not even reach fertility if her body fat percentage doesn't go over a certain tresshold.

On top of that, have you ever read the news papers about  young mothers"? Teenage pregnancies are almost too common these days to be called "breaking news", but CHILDREN are getting pregnant as young as 8 years old, and that isn't something "as of late", but happened 30 years ago as well. And not really limiting itself to "ideal advanced civilizations" either (so there goes the modern food excuse even further out the window): UK, Mexico, India, USA, China, *anywhere*.

However, there are quite some differences between countries as to what they'd regard as sexually mature ages. And whatever it is for the various countries, whether I agree with the decisions of each of those countries or not, Bioware is a company that wants to make money with their products. To that end, they decide what limits they put in their games, and whether the size of the customer base in a country is reason enough to abide their laws or not.

Yes, they could make a seperate version for each country, with 16 yr olds for The Netherlands, 18 yr olds for Germany, 21 yr olds for the USA, 9 yr olds wearing a Niqaab in the Arab version, etcetera. Such a game would still be banned in the USA because of the Arab version and in Saudi Arabia for the German version, be more expensive to maintain, leaving less money for developing new content, and effectively be a lot less interesting overall.

Modifié par AsheraII, 03 janvier 2010 - 07:22 .

[knownastherat]

btw anyone knows why chopping someone's head off in virtual world is acceptable, but having intimate relationship with a teen in the same setting is not?



that is what it basically boils down to. we live in a society where violence and blood are far more acceptable than sex, which is to me absurd. well, times change. only the Bible and The US Constitution is forever

[T1l]

Demonic Spoon wrote...

No, they don't. As has been said multiple times, in most places the age of consent is 16.

Regardless, there would be nothing illegal about it, at least in the US. It just doesn't make sense in the context of the story for companions to be age 16.

So you're saying that the depiction of underage relationships and sex scenes involving minors would be fine?

I'm not sure of exact US legislature, but I doubt that would go over too well in the media - even if Bioware were foolish enough to do it.  After a quick browse over the exact term "child pornography", I'm not sure it's correct in this case. We're talking about consensual sex between a minor and an adult, which I know is still not kosher, but I don't think it would actually be considered "child porn".

http://en.wikipedia....ild_pornography

Still, it’s not OK. Bioware would be publicly nailed to a cross.

EDIT: Yeah, there's a section there on Wikipedia about "simulated" child porn. "An unknown fraction of pornography involving minors is produced without the direct involvement of children in the production process itself. Forms of such pornography include: modified photographs of real children, non-minor teenagers made to look younger (age regression), and fully computer-generated imagery[70] or adults made to look like children.[71] Drawings or animations that depict sexual acts involving children but are not intended to look like photographs may also be considered by some to be child pornography."

It's not cool. You'd get linched. Hard. Not only that, you need to consider first that Bioware would even put this on the drawing board - and they wouldn't. Bioware wouldn't go near this with a 10-foot-bargepole.

Modifié par T1l, 03 janvier 2010 - 07:31 .

[drake heath]

Soooo... Ever heard of Chris Hanson or Dateline?

[Demonic Spoon]

So you're saying that the depiction of underage relationships and sex scenes involving minors would be fine?

I'm not sure of exact US legislature, but I doubt that would go over too well in the media - even if Bioware were foolish enough to do it. After a quick browse over the exact term "child pornography", I'm not sure it's correct in this case. We're talking about consensual sex between a minor and an adult, which I know is still not kosher, but I don't think it would actually be considered "child porn".

Depiction of it would be perfectly legal in the US. There was a giant supreme court case about it, in fact.

I think you're overstating the controversy of sex among 16ish year olds. Regardless, even if you're right...Bioware doesn't state ages. Implementing it would be as simple as having characters which -looked- a bit younger

However, it doesn't matter...since you can't nail down someone's age just by looking at them. Leilana and Morrigan could be 16-18 if you ignore all the backstory and look purely at their appearence. People don't always "look" their age. That's another reason why this entire argument is irrelevant.

If Bioware implemented a character which stated she was 14 and the character was able to have sex with her then yes. There would more than likely be a minor (not as major as you seem to think though) ****storm, and possibly some issues with the ESRB. But they wouldn't.


Also, you're wrong. The Supreme Court struck down "virtual child pornography" years ago.
http://archives.cnn....ual.child.porn/

Not that that would be an issue, since nothing in DA:O could possibly be considered porn.

Modifié par Demonic Spoon, 03 janvier 2010 - 07:32 .

[Nuegen]

[quote]Scimal wrote...

If you'd like some proof, I might point you to your local women's gymanstics team.

The healthier you eat and the more exercise you get, the later (on average) girls get their periods. The buildup of aidpose tissue messes with the maturation of the human body in a lot of ways, and some in which we're only discovering recently. After all, almost all the hormones in the body come from fat, and when you have an excess of fat, it's only logical to assume some things having to do with hormones will be out of whack.

Which is why, even 500 years ago, it was still somewhat shocking for a man to take a 13-year old as his wife - she wasn't going to bare any children for at least 3 years. It was much more common for 16 or 17 year olds to be married off, since if the marriage didn't produce heirs, it usually wasn't worth it.[/quote]
[/quote]

This is not proof.  Proof is empirical scientific evidence.