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[lil yonce]

Will there be a default protagonist of color to represent one of the character backgrounds? Attaching race and references to a built in background could enchance the role-play experience for certain characters.

[Battlebloodmage]

I really want to be from a foreign Eastern country. I hope the protagonist isn't being restricted by Nation. Some racial diversity would be nice.

[Taint Master]

Bioware made Satele Shan half-asian in SWToR.

[David Gaider]

Youth4Ever wrote...
Will there be a default protagonist of color to represent one of the character backgrounds? Attaching race and references to a built in background could enchance the role-play experience for certain characters.

The background selections are unrelated to ethnicity or appearance.

[Foolsfolly]

David Gaider wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...
Will there be a default protagonist of color to represent one of the character backgrounds? Attaching race and references to a built in background could enchance the role-play experience for certain characters.

The background selections are unrelated to ethnicity or appearance.

Which is wise. The last thing anyone needs to hear people complain about is how certain ethnicities get exclusive content. Which would always spiral down into which ethnicity got the best content.

...too much real world in Thedas then. Look at any locked gender thread to further understand.

[Sajuro]

Foolsfolly wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...
Will there be a default protagonist of color to represent one of the character backgrounds? Attaching race and references to a built in background could enchance the role-play experience for certain characters.

The background selections are unrelated to ethnicity or appearance.

Which is wise. The last thing anyone needs to hear people complain about is how certain ethnicities get exclusive content. Which would always spiral down into which ethnicity got the best content.

...too much real world in Thedas then. Look at any locked gender thread to further understand.

+1

[FaWa]

Literally nothing is stopping your from making your PC any race ethnicity you wish.

I just realized we can't use any race we wish.

Modifié par FaWa, 14 novembre 2012 - 07:47 .

[Battlebloodmage]

FaWa wrote...

Literally nothing is stopping your from making your PC any race you wish.

I wouldn't mind if the Character Creeation is more diverse in term of skin tones and facial features.

[Wulfram]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I wouldn't mind if the Character Creeation is more diverse in term of skin tones and facial features.

IIRC they've said the new engine will allow them to have better dark skin tones than they had in previous ones.

[FaWa]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

FaWa wrote...

Literally nothing is stopping your from making your PC any race you wish.

I wouldn't mind if the Character Creeation is more diverse in term of skin tones and facial features.

Yes, as far as the Charater Creator goes, they need to make it simpler to have your character come out looking asian/indian/hispanic/etc. I can make it white, I can make it black, and things in between. But its hard to capture a specific ethnicity which may ruin the experience for some.

[lil yonce]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Which is wise. The last thing anyone needs to hear people complain about is how certain ethnicities get exclusive content. Which would always spiral down into which ethnicity got the best content. ...too much real world in Thedas then. Look at any locked gender thread to further understand.

An inevitably white Ferelden or Orleasian protagonist is not a good solution to a bigger issue, however.

[FaWa]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

Which is wise. The last thing anyone needs to hear people complain about is how certain ethnicities get exclusive content. Which would always spiral down into which ethnicity got the best content. ...too much real world in Thedas then. Look at any locked gender thread to further understand.

An inevitably white Ferelden or Orleasian protagonist is not a good solution to a bigger issue, however.

But you don't have to make the protagonist white... 

[lil yonce]

FaWa wrote...

But you don't have to make the protagonist white...

The expectation is that they are, however. Varric nicknames Isabela "Rivaini" in DA2 and certainly not because she acts so. There is an acknowledgement that because she a certain color, she is Rivaini. My character does not have to be nicknamed "Rivaini", but I would like to see this same level of acknowledgement extend to the protagonist.

[Realmzmaster]

Youth4Ever wrote...

FaWa wrote...

But you don't have to make the protagonist white...

The expectation is that they are, however. Varric nicknames Isabela "Rivaini" in DA2 and certainly not because she acts so. There is an acknowledgement that because she a certain color, she is Rivaini. My character does not have to be nicknamed "Rivaini", but I would like to see this same level of acknowledgement extend to the protagonist.

Varric calls her Rivaini because that is where she is from, not because of her skin color. The same reason he calls Bethany Lady Sunshine because of her personality.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 14 novembre 2012 - 08:42 .

[Foolsfolly]

FaWa wrote...

But you don't have to make the protagonist white... 

...unless they're talking about the poster character.

But I don't see how that counts for anything. As much as I can say "Yeah both default Hawkes look great" (and they truly do) I've never once used their models. At the end of the day that model's just an option.

If they're talking about skin color.... well one of the devs in another thread talked about how the old engine had trouble with different skin colors. So I imagine that means the new engine will be able to render them better.

[lil yonce]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Varric calls her Rivaini because that is where she is from, not because of her skin color. The same reason he calls Bethany Lady Sunshine because of her personality.

I'm not making the connection between those two examples. Isabela is not "Rivaini" in personality.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 14 novembre 2012 - 08:46 .

[Realmzmaster]

The poster characters was there for marketing purposes (trailers, etc) in both DAO and DA2. DAO did catch some flak because the Cousland family did not reflect the change in skin tone from the Character Creator. DA2 tried to rectify that situation.
The old engine could not handle some of the shades well. The new engine will hopefully solve that issue.

[Foolsfolly]

Youth4Ever wrote...

FaWa wrote...

But you don't have to make the protagonist white...

The expectation is that they are, however. Varric nicknames Isabela "Rivaini" in DA2 and certainly not because she acts so. There is an acknowledgement that because she a certain color, she is Rivaini. My character does not have to be nicknamed "Rivaini", but I would like to see this same level of acknowledgement extend to the protagonist.

..I think you're being unreasonable.

The steps needed to acknowledge skin color (and determine where the color you picked would come from) in dialogue is rather large. ....and probably full of conjecture anyway since we don't know what skin colors come from where (Isabela, to me looked like someone from the Mediterranean. So I don't think 'Rivian' should be the catch-all answer to all skin colors that aren't alabaster white).

Where would asian, hispanic, and african skin colors fall in Thedas?

We don't know.

...Again I think you're being unreasonable. What you're asking for would only make sense if a large portion of the game was based around what ethnic back-ground you are. And since it won't be you'd have to assume Thedas doesn't care what color you are.

What a barbarous place!

[Realmzmaster]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Varric calls her Rivaini because that is where she is from, not because of her skin color. The same reason he calls Bethany Lady Sunshine because of her personality.

I'm not making the connection between those two examples. Isabela is not "Rivaini" in personality.

It is a nickname (A descriptive name added to or replacing the actual name of a person, place, or thing.). It is meant as a term of endearment. Just like he calls Merrill Daisy, Anders Blondie, Fenris elf. He has not thought up a good one for Aveline. He calls Hawke Hawke.

Modifié par Realmzmaster, 14 novembre 2012 - 08:55 .

[lil yonce]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I think you're being unreasonable. The steps needed to acknowledge skin color (and determine where the color you picked would come from) in dialogue is rather large.

Which is why I was hoping for a background with race and ethnicity inextricably attached. There'd be no confusion through this method.

....and probably full of conjecture anyway since we don't know what skin colors come from where (Isabela, to me looked like someone from the Mediterranean. So I don't think 'Rivian' should be the catch-all answer to all skin colors that aren't alabaster white).

I role-played my character as being ethnically Rivaini. That's why I used that example.

Again I think you're being unreasonable. What you're asking for would only make sense if a large portion of the game was based around what ethnic back-ground you are. And since it won't be you'd have to assume Thedas doesn't care what color you are. What a barbarous place!

I'm not asking for racial prejudice to be introduced into DA3. Simply, I want the in-game acknowledgement that my character is of a specific ethnicity. The character can acknowledge it or someone else can as it relates to a topic. I'd simply like it to be referenced.

[David Gaider]

Youth4Ever wrote...
I'm not asking for racial prejudice to be introduced into DA3. Simply, I want the in-game acknowledgement that my character is of a specific ethnicity. The character can acknowledge it or someone else can as it relates to a topic. I'd simply like it to be referenced.

That is not going to happen. We don't have the scripting hooks to check what skin tone a player has chosen for their appearance, and thus cannot reference it-- white or no. Having backgrounds that force the player to be a certain ethnicity are also not going to happen, period. That's not what they're for.

[lil yonce]

Realmzmaster wrote...

It is a nickname (A descriptive name added to or replacing the actual name of a person, place, or thing.). It is meant as a term of endearment. Just like he calls Merrill Daisy, Anders Blondie, Fenris elf. He has not thought up a good one for Aveline. He calls Hawke Hawke.

No, you state Varric's nickname for Isabela is based on her personality by making the comparison to Bethany's nickname. Isabela's is not culturally Rivaini. She embraces Antivan pirate culture yet Varric does not call her "Hook Hands" or something else more relevant.

[Heimdall]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

Varric calls her Rivaini because that is where she is from, not because of her skin color. The same reason he calls Bethany Lady Sunshine because of her personality.

I'm not making the connection between those two examples. Isabela is not "Rivaini" in personality.

No, but it does describe her.  Just as sunshine describe's Bethany's disposition, Rivaini describes Isabella's nationality.  Varric isn't commenting on her skin color.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 14 novembre 2012 - 09:17 .