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Fix and buff the Shadow!

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 01:49

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the_sfonda_culo wrote...

If speeced correctly one shadow strike is enough to kill any non-boss enemy (phantoms require two). I never use heavy melee, just cloak (bonus power), shadow strike, shadow strike another target and repeat = profit. N7 shadow is even overpowered


2 SS to kill a Phantom is too much. You can kill a Phantom wih a Charge and a heavy melee. Or just Acolyte + Charge. 

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 01:51

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Air Quotes wrote...

the_sfonda_culo wrote...

If speeced correctly one shadow strike is enough to kill any non-boss enemy (phantoms require two). I never use heavy melee, just cloak (bonus power), shadow strike, shadow strike another target and repeat = profit. N7 shadow is even overpowered


2 SS to kill a Phantom is too much. You can kill a Phantom wih a Charge and a heavy melee. Or just Acolyte + Charge. 


Don't spend your time proving your position here. 

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:09

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lol, Air Quotes you are still at it. I don't think bioware is looking at balancing any of the older characters. The last three balance changes they have done nothing except buff some sniper rifles three weeks ago. The Shadow is great against Cerberus ( yeah, properly speced you can one-hit-kill any Cerberus unit not named Atlas ) but she is weak against the other factions.

I almost feel obligated to play the Shadow when somebody selects Cerberus as the enemy, as I feel I am hurting our chances if I take her into a UUG match and we get anything except Cerberus.

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:16

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ryoldschool wrote...

lol, Air Quotes you are still at it. I don't think bioware is looking at balancing any of the older characters. The last three balance changes they have done nothing except buff some sniper rifles three weeks ago. The Shadow is great against Cerberus ( yeah, properly speced you can one-hit-kill any Cerberus unit not named Atlas ) but she is weak against the other factions.

I almost feel obligated to play the Shadow when somebody selects Cerberus as the enemy, as I feel I am hurting our chances if I take her into a UUG match and we get anything except Cerberus.


See, that sucks. I WANT to LIKE her. I was asking for a Phantom character months before Earth DLC.  And when I got it...Meh. Fury is so much better, actually all other N7's are better and more versatile. 

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:19

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Played a game where we almost lost because the last guy alive SSed a phantom and got meleed by her first.

HEY I'M BEING ALL STEALTHY SNEAKING

WELL I'M GOING TO MELEE THE AIR WHERE I KNOW YOU'LL SHOW UP SO I HIT YOU AT THE EXACT MOMENT YOU SHOW UP

lol

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:23

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Our Phantom is not near as deadly against the enemy as the other phantom. I do like the change of pace in gameplay but a little buff to avoid getting killed during a SS would help a lot. They would have to be careful to not make her too powerful, but as it is she is not safe for me in a UUG.

On UUG, safer choices for me are ( GI + anything ), Valkarie, MQI, Destroyer, Demolisher, Krogan Sent, QFE, < hell almost anything >. The other character that is very enemy specific for me is the FQI who is great against Geth.

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:24

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What? This topic still goes on?
I don't get it, Shadow is one of the BEST Character and my personal favorite. To use it right take time and skill but after you finish in the "Ninja Training Camp" you will rock!

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:24

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the_sfonda_culo wrote...

If speeced correctly one shadow strike is enough to kill any non-boss enemy (phantoms require two). I never use heavy melee, just cloak (bonus power), shadow strike, shadow strike another target and repeat = profit. N7 shadow is even overpowered


I have a build that can kill a phantom on Gold with one SS and I use a duration cloak.

Modifié par 100RenegadePoints, 16 novembre 2012 - 02:26 .

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:25

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Yate wrote...

Played a game where we almost lost because the last guy alive SSed a phantom and got meleed by her first.

HEY I'M BEING ALL STEALTHY SNEAKING

WELL I'M GOING TO MELEE THE AIR WHERE I KNOW YOU'LL SHOW UP SO I HIT YOU AT THE EXACT MOMENT YOU SHOW UP

lol


When you're the last one alive, TC is essentially useless, so shadow striking a phantom isn't the best idea.

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:28

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100RenegadePoints wrote...

the_sfonda_culo wrote...

If speeced correctly one shadow strike is enough to kill any non-boss enemy (phantoms require two). I never use heavy melee, just cloak (bonus power), shadow strike, shadow strike another target and repeat = profit. N7 shadow is even overpowered


I have a build that can kill a phantom on Gold with one SS and I use a duration cloak.


yeah, SS vs Cerberus is very good.    Try it against Collectors, Geth, or Reapers and see how "overpowered" she is.:mellow:

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:29

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m4dh4xx0r wrote...

Yate wrote...

Played a game where we almost lost because the last guy alive SSed a phantom and got meleed by her first.

HEY I'M BEING ALL STEALTHY SNEAKING

WELL I'M GOING TO MELEE THE AIR WHERE I KNOW YOU'LL SHOW UP SO I HIT YOU AT THE EXACT MOMENT YOU SHOW UP

lol


When you're the last one alive, TC is essentially useless, so shadow striking a phantom isn't the best idea.


But it should be. Last man alive doesn't justify cheating enemies. 

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:31

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100RenegadePoints wrote...

the_sfonda_culo wrote...

If speeced correctly one shadow strike is enough to kill any non-boss enemy (phantoms require two). I never use heavy melee, just cloak (bonus power), shadow strike, shadow strike another target and repeat = profit. N7 shadow is even overpowered


I have a build that can kill a phantom on Gold with one SS and I use a duration cloak.


Yeah, you can. But you have to put a crap load of melee bonuses and sacrifice your survivability. And you NEED survivability, because SS and cloak are buggy. 

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:35

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100RenegadePoints wrote...

the_sfonda_culo wrote...

If speeced correctly one shadow strike is enough to kill any non-boss enemy (phantoms require two). I never use heavy melee, just cloak (bonus power), shadow strike, shadow strike another target and repeat = profit. N7 shadow is even overpowered


I have a build that can kill a phantom on Gold with one SS and I use a duration cloak.


Confirm that, me too!

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:39

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m4dh4xx0r wrote...

When you're the last one alive, TC is essentially useless, so shadow striking a phantom isn't the best idea.


Not true. The only trick is you have to go cover or behind an obstructures and then activate the TC.

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:42

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Hoz_Hun wrote...

m4dh4xx0r wrote...

When you're the last one alive, TC is essentially useless, so shadow striking a phantom isn't the best idea.


Not true. The only trick is you have to go cover or behind an obstructures and then activate the TC.


Waste of time. That's why her DPS is low. You always have to waste time. Cloak in cover, lose enemy interest, watch the enemy, watch your teamates. And then strike. Byt the time you do that, your team will kill half of the field, Phantoms included. 

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:42

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Air Quotes wrote...

Yeah, you can. But you have to put a crap load of melee bonuses and sacrifice your survivability. And you NEED survivability, because SS and cloak are buggy. 


What is your overal point? If you want to be effective in this game you better use consumables. Shadow is good as her is, but even better with bonus stuffs. It goes for every other Character too.

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:47

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Hoz_Hun wrote...

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Yeah, you can. But you have to put a crap load of melee bonuses and sacrifice your survivability. And you NEED survivability, because SS and cloak are buggy. 


What is your overal point? If you want to be effective in this game you better use consumables. Shadow is good as her is, but even better with bonus stuffs. It goes for every other Character too.


The point is that you have to go overboard with melee damage to be be able to one shot Phantoms. And have next to nothing for shields. You can affect only 1 target at a time and that target has to be pre-ocupied with something or you risk getting punched to the face. 

Let's look at this. SS one target, kill, now you have to run or wait 2.5 seconds for another SS. So you can kill 2 targets in 6-8 seconds. (counting in transitions for SS) That's WAYYY too long. 

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:49

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Air Quotes wrote...

Hoz_Hun wrote...

m4dh4xx0r wrote...

When you're the last one alive, TC is essentially useless, so shadow striking a phantom isn't the best idea.


Not true. The only trick is you have to go cover or behind an obstructures and then activate the TC.


Waste of time. That's why her DPS is low. You always have to waste time. Cloak in cover, lose enemy interest, watch the enemy, watch your teamates. And then strike. Byt the time you do that, your team will kill half of the field, Phantoms included. 

I don't know what is your reaction time, but it takes a second to go in cover. Don't loose the sight of your enemy and strike immidiately after TC.  It's very fast. And also we talking there when we are left alone or soloing. There is no one else to still your kills. In team you do not have to go cover befor TC (yes, there is a minimal risk they saw and hit you).

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:52

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Air Quotes wrote...

Let's look at this. SS one target, kill, now you have to run or wait 2.5 seconds for another SS. So you can kill 2 targets in 6-8 seconds. (counting in transitions for SS) That's WAYYY too long. 


You don't have to run anywhere, I always stay in TC after one SS. I can kill two enemy in one TC (even phantom). If you want to be safe or in a hard situation, you can do one SS stay in TC and run away.

Edit: Ah and we have a gun, I used to use that too. Pirana is very effective in close range.

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 02:54

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Hoz_Hun wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Hoz_Hun wrote...

m4dh4xx0r wrote...

When you're the last one alive, TC is essentially useless, so shadow striking a phantom isn't the best idea.


Not true. The only trick is you have to go cover or behind an obstructures and then activate the TC.


Waste of time. That's why her DPS is low. You always have to waste time. Cloak in cover, lose enemy interest, watch the enemy, watch your teamates. And then strike. Byt the time you do that, your team will kill half of the field, Phantoms included. 

I don't know what is your reaction time, but it takes a second to go in cover. Don't loose the sight of your enemy and strike immidiately after TC.  It's very fast. And also we talking there when we are left alone or soloing. There is no one else to still your kills. In team you do not have to go cover befor TC (yes, there is a minimal risk they saw and hit you).


I see you have a Lone Wolf banner. Cool. Try to SOLO Gold with the Shadow. See how many times the enemy will melee and react to you instantly even after you cloak in cover. 

And sometimes you will not have cover, sometimes you can't hide (objective waves) and the enemies will come straight at you and won't stop coming. And you have NO QUICK CC. ES is slow as molasses in winter. 

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 03:00

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Hoz_Hun wrote...

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Let's look at this. SS one target, kill, now you have to run or wait 2.5 seconds for another SS. So you can kill 2 targets in 6-8 seconds. (counting in transitions for SS) That's WAYYY too long. 


You don't have to run anywhere, I always stay in TC after one SS. I can kill two enemy in one TC (even phantom). If you want to be safe or in a hard situation, you can do one SS stay in TC and run away.

Edit: Ah and we have a gun, I used to use that too. Pirana is very effective in close ange.


I know that. I use the Bonus power. But you always have to wait till the target is alone. And that rarely happens. Most of the time they will be in packs. So you SS one, all the other will know and shoot you or melee you. And you can't fight them off or stagger them to escape. Waiting till they separate wastes time. And to even engage 1 target alone you have to make sure he didn't see you and cloak in cover. Wastes time. A few seconds, but still wasted. Those few seconds add up to minutes. And minutes means that other character would rack up a ton of kills. 

BTW, Shadow will unloack INSTANTLY after you pull a trigger and the enemies will react faster to your shots than any other Infiltrator. 

Modifié par Air Quotes, 16 novembre 2012 - 03:01 .

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 03:01

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I know I've one-shotted Phantoms with SS on gold...

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 03:03

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HolyAvenger wrote...

I know I've one-shotted Phantoms with SS on gold...


One shotting Phantoms is not that impressive these days. I can do that from range with a Sniper Rifle and Phasic rounds. With less risk to get BS meleed.  

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 03:03

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Alot of well made arguments in this thread, but in the end, nothing a buff will fix. You will still be engaging an enemy on one to one basis and still run the risk of getting ganged. Unless you were made nearly invincible, nothing will change the fact of the Shadow's other cons.

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Posté 16 novembre 2012 - 03:05

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HolyAvenger wrote...

I know I've one-shotted Phantoms with SS on gold...


with some strength enhancers and melee attachments this is easily do-able

I like the shadow
I save her for when I'm feeling digruntled

it just takes too long to chop everyones heads off.
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