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[Barquiel]

Destroy -  I feel bad for EDI/the geth, but the destruction ending is the only one that kills the reapers and ends the cycle beyond a shadow of a doubt. It also affirms the freedom of organic life.

And Shepard promised Liara to always come back

[Ieldra]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
And of course, being god-Empress of the galaxy is awesome...

Like I said, I was sorely tempted.  And with the right Shepard, Control just might work--my primary FemShep would've made a great god-Empress.  Unfortunately, I have this nasty habit of giving up ultimate power and transcendence in video games for love.  I've been doing it since Baldur's Gate.

Damn you, Garrus! 

I see a pattern here. I have this habit of making my protagonists ascend. Ever since BG2/TOB. Of course things were easier in unmodded BG2/TOB since the LI selection for female protagonists wasn't exactly impressive.

Lately, though, ME3 has cured me of the dogma of limiting my post-ending scenarios to what's shown on-screen. Who says gods can't love, and project themselves into the mortal world through an avatar. Who says the dead can't come back, even more so if there is double-precedence, and live in the fantastic future they've created. If I can create those scenarios while using about 0.01% of Bioware's space magicsufficiently advanced technology, I see no reason not to do it.

[Neizd]

Refusal. I don't want to play god and decide who will live and who will die. Honor sacrifices my a**. Maybe we can't win this, but we stay as one united galaxy and that's what my Soldier believed in...I'd rather fight with my gun, along my teammates than with some oversized magic microphone where a star-kid resides...for all I know he could be lying in my face.

Point is: My Shepard doesn't decide victory by tossing a coin, he fights on his own terms.

[Ulathar]

Destroy. The main reason I picked this ending is because it fits my Shepard, he would've chosen this one, too. Yes, there is EDI and the Geth to consider, but (my) Shepard said it in ME2...there will be sacrifices, it's about making sure they lead to the greater objective which, in this case, is to defeat/destroy the Reapers. Destroying them has been the goal since ME1 and he finally made it happen.

Of course, there is also this:

Barquiel wrote...
And Shepard promised Liara to always come back

[Amirit]

The funny thing is - everyone keeps forgetting, that Destroy does not eliminate all KNOWLEDGE about re-creating synthetics. They all can be rebuild within years. Or even simply reactivated. They were not vaporised, only inactivated somehow (magically, no doubts). So, what's the problem?

[Zazzerka]

You've effectively killed millions of sapient beings. I still pick destroy, but I'm not it's biggest fan.

[MasterShepardN7]

For the most part I agree with you Steelca although I chose Destroy for a few other reasons. I mean those are all good arguments even without bias, but it just seems like there's more to it with the destroy ending. That and I mean come on who wants Shepard to ACTUALLY die? I mean I would if it were for some noble cause, but even with the EC it just seems bland and without taste...or at least to me. There's nothing noble about it at all and Shepard hardly resembles that of a hero based off that decision apart from the whole reapers are dead and what not. That and do you think people could actually get along let alone coexist with sentient reaper machines? I don't know it just doesn't seem right to me let alone feasible. That and I'm pretty sure synthesis is more self explanatory when you think about it.

[DirtySHISN0]

Amirit wrote...

The funny thing is - everyone keeps forgetting, that Destroy does not eliminate all KNOWLEDGE about re-creating synthetics. They all can be rebuild within years. Or even simply reactivated. They were not vaporised, only inactivated somehow (magically, no doubts). So, what's the problem?

Because recreating them wouldn't  recreate the memories and experiences that made them what they were. EDI wouldn't be EDI. Same as the legion VI isn't legion.

[Amirit]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Amirit wrote...

The funny thing is - everyone keeps forgetting, that Destroy does not eliminate all KNOWLEDGE about re-creating synthetics. They all can be rebuild within years. Or even simply reactivated. They were not vaporised, only inactivated somehow (magically, no doubts). So, what's the problem?

Because recreating them wouldn't  recreate the memories and experiences that made them what they were. EDI wouldn't be EDI. Same as the legion VI isn't legion.

Again - nobody said the memory core of any geth was wiped out. You activate them, run a backup - and voila you have all your geths back!

If all ships still can fly - electronic parts are still working. No reason for geths data-banks to be destroid either.

[DirtySHISN0]

Amirit wrote...

Again - nobody said the memory core of any geth was wiped out. You activate them, run a backup - and voila you have all your geths back!

If all ships still can fly - electronic parts are still working. No reason for geths data-banks to be destroid either.

The destruction of all synthetics is not specified, therefore a risk.

We learn in ME1 that geth erase all memories on a platform if they are damaged. If all synthetics are simaultaneously damaged, we lose them all permanently.

Also Legion VI is the back up of Legion, but it still isn't legion. Its a snapshot of what legion was like before he experienced events outside the collective.

If all electronic parts still work and data banks are intact so are the reapers. derp.

[BD Manchild]

Amirit wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Amirit wrote...

The funny thing is - everyone keeps forgetting, that Destroy does not eliminate all KNOWLEDGE about re-creating synthetics. They all can be rebuild within years. Or even simply reactivated. They were not vaporised, only inactivated somehow (magically, no doubts). So, what's the problem?

Because recreating them wouldn't  recreate the memories and experiences that made them what they were. EDI wouldn't be EDI. Same as the legion VI isn't legion.

Again - nobody said the memory core of any geth was wiped out. You activate them, run a backup - and voila you have all your geths back!

If all ships still can fly - electronic parts are still working. No reason for geths data-banks to be destroid either.

Can you say "headcanon", boys and girls?

Anyway, if we put aside my out-of-character feelings of absolute disgust at what the endings stand for and my subsequent refusal to validate them, it was in-character process of elimination, in my case. As far as my Shepard was concerned, the Crucible turned out to be a dead-end. Clearly there wasn't enough time to study it and it was built under terrible conditions, and as a result we couldn't get it to do what the galaxy needs it to do; destroy the Reapers without any harmful side-effects. Control seemed too close to indoctrination for comfort, and in any case she highly doubts the galaxy will want to share the same space as the Reapers. Synthesis is a huge change to the basis of life in the galaxy, and my Shepard feels that she has no right to play God. Destroy would treat EDI and the Geth as an acceptable cost to preserve the rest of the galaxy, and it would be their blood (or rather oil) on her hands. In any case, the foundations of post-Reaper civilisation would be irreversibly stained. That's even all assuming that the Catalyst is telling the truth, and she has absolutely no reason to trust it.

So she refused to play by the Catalyst's rules. She knew doing so that this was a battle that the Allies would almost certainly lose (she's nothing if not a realist), but she shows the Catalyst that she's willing to play the Long Game, if that's what it takes to defeat the Reapers (not just destroy them, but truly defeat them, if that makes any sense). She's not prepared to essentially become a Reaper herself, with their genocidal utilitarianism, nor is she willing to accept the Reapers' methods as the only way to stop the Cycle of Extinction. Without her knowledge of Liara's backup plan, of course, such a move would be insanity and she would not even be able to consider it, but armed with that knowledge she's prepared to place her trust in the rest of the galaxy not wanting victory at any cost, and that the next cycle will be able to defeat the Reapers without compromise. Rather than carry out the Catalyst's abhorrent demands, she decides to take a leap of faith.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 15 novembre 2012 - 04:15 .

[Little Princess Peach]

I had to pick destroy, the other options felt like the reapers won, green you give the starbrat what he always wnated reapers win and have control over everyones d.n.a, control reapers have shepard turned over to there ways of thinking.

at least refuse and Destroy you can giv the middle finger to the child.

[DirtySHISN0]

BD Manchild wrote...

leap of faith. snip

I refuse... to play the game once i reach the decision.

Not that refuse isn't the most principled thing to do, but it just feels like 3 games of wasted time. We could have given up (with principles as justification) at any point.

[goofyomnivore]

I picked destroy. I believe synthesis is inevitable though. Synthesis also had some appeal with the Geth just recently going through it and improving themselves greatly from it. I just couldn't do it though. I picked the 'reset' button on the galaxy's synthetics, and if organics move towards synthetics/synthesis again it will be on their own terms/pace.

Modifié par strive, 15 novembre 2012 - 04:47 .

[Steelcan]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Amirit wrote...
Again - nobody said the memory core of any geth was wiped out. You activate them, run a backup - and voila you have all your geths back!
If all ships still can fly - electronic parts are still working. No reason for geths data-banks to be destroid either.

The destruction of all synthetics is not specified, therefore a risk.
We learn in ME1 that geth erase all memories on a platform if they are damaged. If all synthetics are simaultaneously damaged, we lose them all permanently.

Also Legion VI is the back up of Legion, but it still isn't legion. Its a snapshot of what legion was like before he experienced events outside the collective.

If all electronic parts still work and data banks are intact so are the reapers. derp.

. Not true.  The Geth have to wipe their own memories.  Data is still recoverable.

[fiendishchicken]

Even if the Geth are gone permanently, I'd still pick destroy. It's not about limiting casualties, it's about ensuring that all civilization will never have to worry about the Reapers again. They'll have their own future, free to determine at their own course. Synthetics will always fight organics? Tough. Now they have to learn to get along. Destroy it is.

[Han Shot First]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Destroy. Paragon or Renegade. Only and always.

For one, I don't trust the Catalyst - I'm not necessarily saying it's lying, just that I don't agree with it's logic or it's conclusions. This is the logic which caused it to believe that exterminating all advanced forms of life countless times over the course of millions of years was a good decision. The Catalyst shows no empathy for organic races, and no remorse for it's actions, so I cannot believe it truly acts in our best interests. Which means I can rule out Synthesis, because Synthesis is entire a product of the Catalyst's logic and calculations. It is the Catalyst's "perfect solution" - and we know first hand just how horrifying it's orginal "solution" turned out to be.

Control? Paragon or Renegade, I just spent the last ten minutes trying to convince TIM it was a pipe dream. I also have first hand experience of how the Reapers bend organics to their will, and have serious reservations about how exactly I will manage to Control the Reapers if the process ends up killing me. People don't Control the Reapers - they Control you. I'm not about to flip flop on that belief simply because the Reaper's controlling AI assures me I can.

Refuse? It's inaction. The races of the galaxy threw all their resources into building the Crucible and giving us this opportunity. I'm not going to throw it away, and condemn everyone to the harvest.

That leaves Destroy - ironically enough, the solution my colleagues and squad have been advising me to take all game. "Dead Reapers are how we win this." "We destroy them, or they destroy us." "We take off, nuke the site from orbit... it's the only way to be sure". (ohwait).

And it's true. Destroying the Reapers are the only way to win this. The only way to ensure this cycle's survival. Every other "solution" simply escalates the risk. Use Occam's Razor, and you get the truth.

Refuse = Reapers still exist.
Control = Reaper still exist.
Synthesis = Reapers still exist.
Destroy = The Reapers are gone. The cycle ends.

Well said.

[CosmicGnosis]

I don't like Destroy, but that's because I'm an evil misanthrope.

[AdmiralCheez]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I don't like Destroy, but that's because I'm an evil misanthrope.

Cosmic.

Stop.

You're not cute anymore.

[Han Shot First]

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I don't like Destroy, but that's because I'm an evil misanthrope.

Or you just thinking winning is too mainstream.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 15 novembre 2012 - 09:30 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Control.

Dominate the Reapers, harness their power and use it for good.

Better that than killing your allies.

[CrazyRah]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Destroy. Paragon or Renegade. Only and always.

For one, I don't trust the Catalyst - I'm not necessarily saying it's lying, just that I don't agree with it's logic or it's conclusions. This is the logic which caused it to believe that exterminating all advanced forms of life countless times over the course of millions of years was a good decision. The Catalyst shows no empathy for organic races, and no remorse for it's actions, so I cannot believe it truly acts in our best interests. Which means I can rule out Synthesis, because Synthesis is entire a product of the Catalyst's logic and calculations. It is the Catalyst's "perfect solution" - and we know first hand just how horrifying it's orginal "solution" turned out to be.

Control? Paragon or Renegade, I just spent the last ten minutes trying to convince TIM it was a pipe dream. I also have first hand experience of how the Reapers bend organics to their will, and have serious reservations about how exactly I will manage to Control the Reapers if the process ends up killing me. People don't Control the Reapers - they Control you. I'm not about to flip flop on that belief simply because the Reaper's controlling AI assures me I can.

Refuse? It's inaction. The races of the galaxy threw all their resources into building the Crucible and giving us this opportunity. I'm not going to throw it away, and condemn everyone to the harvest.

That leaves Destroy - ironically enough, the solution my colleagues and squad have been advising me to take all game. "Dead Reapers are how we win this." "We destroy them, or they destroy us." "We take off, nuke the site from orbit... it's the only way to be sure". (ohwait).

And it's true. Destroying the Reapers are the only way to win this. The only way to ensure this cycle's survival. Every other "solution" simply escalates the risk. Use Occam's Razor, and you get the truth.

Refuse = Reapers still exist.
Control = Reaper still exist.
Synthesis = Reapers still exist.
Destroy = The Reapers are gone. The cycle ends.

Well said! 

[CosmicGnosis]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

CosmicGnosis wrote...

I don't like Destroy, but that's because I'm an evil misanthrope.

Cosmic.

Stop.

You're not cute anymore.

Sorry.

[ghost9191]

Lizardviking wrote...

Control.

Dominate the Reapers, harness their power and use it for good.

Better that than killing your allies.

first part agree, nothing like becoming a omnipotent dictator


but really, second part has been said to death. we get it , youdon't want to sacrifice a crew member ( LIKE IT IS TOTALLY THE FIRST TIME )  great , just find a different argument . because it isn't changing anyones mind lol . just saying

[SpamBot2000]

I don't.