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[VirtualSoldier27]

I am 27,and yet I have studied the American Revolution,The Civil War,World War 1 and especially World War 2

yet,when I try to talk to people around the same age I am,they are like "What", its saddening how little they know about it,they cant even tell you what year Pearl Harbor was,or worse yet,they cant even tell you wich countries were apart of the Axis in WW2

is it ADD, has the reality show's thats on every channel turned our brains to gelatin. 

somtimes I wonder if I am the only one in my age group that would rather watch the History or Military Channel than ABC or Fox

[Emzamination]

I'm 19 and I don't care about old bones long forgotten.Let old men argue over what they lived, I wasn't there so it doesn't matter to me, all that matters is my youth, the future and shaping my own history.

[VirtualSoldier27]

Emzamination wrote...

I'm 19 and I don't care about old bones long forgotten.Let old men argue over what they lived, I wasn't there so it doesn't matter to me, all that matters is my youth, the future and shaping my own history.

see what I mean!!!

[Some Geth]

I am 19 as well and I think history is f**king fantastic.

Modifié par Some Geth, 15 novembre 2012 - 04:44 .

[Emzamination]

Edit: Fidget6 phrased it better.

Modifié par Emzamination, 15 novembre 2012 - 04:56 .

[Fidget6]

Emzamination wrote...

I'm 19 and I don't care about old bones long forgotten.Let old men argue over what they lived, I wasn't there so it doesn't matter to me, all that matters is my youth, the future and shaping my own history.

I'm 22 and I feel the exact same way. I don't know that much about history because I don't care. For those who find it interesting, that's cool, go ahead and study it. But, I don't think we're obligated to learn about things we're not interested in just because we exist. I also don't think it's fair to say it's restricted to this generation. I know plenty of people in their fourties and fifties who couldn't tell you much about history either.

Modifié par Fidget6, 15 novembre 2012 - 04:47 .

[Cutlass Jack]

I feel your pain some days Virtual. I was a terrible student and even I get appaled at some of the incredibly basic knowledge Today's generation seems lacking in.

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to retweet it.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 15 novembre 2012 - 04:50 .

[TEWR]

At OP: I'm 20 right now and I'm a fan of history, though I do not get much time to study it. It all boils down to high schools -- and I'd conjecture colleges -- trying to cram thousands of years worth of history into a 9 month long class.

If you're lucky, you can take a class that focuses on specific time frames. But mostly, it comes down to how it's taught at school.

Emzamination wrote...

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I'm 19 and I don't care about old bones long forgotten.Let old men argue over what they lived, I wasn't there so it doesn't matter to me, all that matters is my youth, the future and shaping my own history.

see what I mean!!!

You need to stop reciting a past you can't change and look to the future you can, pops. All that talk about who killed who over what land in xxxx is just sooo ugggggh get over it.

Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it.

[Some Geth]

Random history lesson/thing time!

The Korean War was a result of post-WW2 partitioning of territory liberated from Axis powers. The Japanese Empire had annexed Korea early in the 1900's and kept it firmly under their thumb until they lost in WW2 and had to surrender it. (This is also why Koreans on both sides feel anger at Japan to this day).
De-Axisization went mostly smoothly most places, even if it did cut the world in two between the two Cold War sides. Two nations however got cut in two rather then simply falling on one side or the other. Germany and Korea.

Germany was right on the front line of the Cold War, so no one dared send up any real sparks there. And I'm fairly certain the East German dictators were kept on a short leash of the Soviet Union's leadership, so they weren't about to invade the West (which was also bigger then them).

Korea however was near the part of the world where the Cold War wasn't cold, where communist revolutionaries were ten times more brazen then the solemn suits in Europe.

Korea was split in two between the USSR and USA and allies after they kicked Japan out, the North was USSR guarded, and the south was USA guarded. Both of us set up regimes in those halves we wanted, and were unable to come to any agreement of a unified Korea, both of us wanted our sides.

The North Koreans eventually decided to unify the country by force, which kick-started the Korean war. We invested ourselves in it, and the Chinese eventually fought on the other side. So yes, we have in fact fought China in war.

It ended a stalemate, situation the same. Which we still see today.

South Korea shuffled through troubled democracies and dictators, who actually did develop the economy but refused political reform and certain amounts of civil rights. Kind of like China today.

The pressure for democratization only grew with relative prosperity as people were less likely to take the sh!t of the government. This culminated with the 1988 Olympics, which forced attention on Korea right when the activism was getting to a fever pitch.

The last South Korean dictator resigned from the presidency, and they've been a real democracy ever since.

North Korea kept to a super rigid dictatorship which only got worse the more isolated and destitute it became. It actually wasn't that bad considering until the fall of the Soviet Union. Which annihilated it's main sources of trade and help.

What happened in NK happened in other countries to various extents, Albania, Romania, Central African Republic, and China too in the 60's mainly.

[GodWood]

I don't think it's a generational thing. I've met people way into their forties who thought communists and Nazis were the same thing.

Me? I'm a history major so obviously I love history.

[KnightofPhoenix]

I think instead of blaming people, we should perhaps take a look at how history is being taught and on ways to make it more fun and enjoyable.

I've always tolerated how most of my professors were so boring, because I am fascinated by the subject matter (have a History minor). But making it more fun, more accessible and more interactive would go a long way to making it more educational. At least basic history, not pure academia.

[Emzamination]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

At OP: I'm 20 right now and I'm a fan of history, though I do not get much time to study it. It all boils down to high schools -- and I'd conjecture colleges -- trying to cram thousands of years worth of history into a 9 month long class.

If you're lucky, you can take a class that focuses on specific time frames. But mostly, it comes down to how it's taught at school.

Emzamination wrote...

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

I'm 19 and I don't care about old bones long forgotten.Let old men argue over what they lived, I wasn't there so it doesn't matter to me, all that matters is my youth, the future and shaping my own history.

see what I mean!!!

You need to stop reciting a past you can't change and look to the future you can, pops. All that talk about who killed who over what land in xxxx is just sooo ugggggh get over it.

Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat it.

What a load of crock... I don't need to study injustices, atrocities and war crimes committed throughout human history to know right from wrong.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Emzamination wrote...

What a load of crock... I don't need to study injustices, atrocities and war crimes committed throughout human history to know right from wrong.

Maybe not, but you can study how the events took place and why, see what factors were involved in starting them in the first place. Thus armed with that knowledge, one could seek to prevent similar atrocities from occuring.

If human morality was so reliable on its own, we would be living in a very different world now wouldn't we.

[Elhanan]

Emzamination wrote...

What a load of crock... I don't need to study injustices, atrocities and war crimes committed throughout human history to know right from wrong.

Sadly, neither did many before you on those said occasions.

[TEWR]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think instead of blaming people, we should perhaps take a look at how history is being taught and on ways to make it more fun and enjoyable.

I've always tolerated how most of my professors were so boring, because I am fascinated by the subject matter (have a History minor). But making it more fun, more accessible and more interactive would go a long way to making it more educational. At least basic history, not pure academia.

Pretty much this.

My history teachers in my four years at Salesianum -- my high school from Delaware -- were pretty badass teachers. They were cool and taught the subject really well.

In turn, the subject matter's interesting nature was amplified for me. I've always loved history myself, and having awesome teachers just made it better.

What I learned however was not enough for me to say I know history -- as I said above, high schools and possibly colleges try to cram a lot of information I've found -- but I can definitely say it was taught well and if I was in college now I'd be taking a history course as a minor like KoP did while majoring in some form of writing/something to prepare me for the VG world.

[TEWR]

Some Geth wrote...

Random history lesson/thing time!

Huh, my research into the Korean War -- did a thesis on it in high school -- had me find out it was just a proxy war on the part of the USSR IIRC. Some of what it said I think meshes with what you said, but I'm not sure.

Bear in mind I haven't read my own thesis on it for... three to four years now. All I remember is that my research into it showed me that it was a proxy war trying to get us involved.

Maybe if I ever find it I'll create a blog about it. I put a lot of work into that thing because my grandfather fought in the war.

[Emzamination]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

What a load of crock... I don't need to study injustices, atrocities and war crimes committed throughout human history to know right from wrong.

Maybe not, but you can study how the events took place and why, see what factors were involved in starting them in the first place. Thus armed with that knowledge, one could seek to prevent similar atrocities from occuring.

If human morality was so reliable on its own, we would be living in a very different world now wouldn't we.

 men and women with greed and ambition will always be produced, no one can change that. How many people support or put such people in power for their own personal vices... well that's a matter for thy brother's keeper.

[Some Geth]

My dad was in the Korean War.

Modifié par Some Geth, 15 novembre 2012 - 05:25 .

[Emzamination]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

"Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it."

Except, it doesn't matter if the average 20 something learns history. The people in charge are the ones who repeat it, we're just along for the ride.

^ THANK YOU

[slimgrin]

For Americans, historical education falls somewhere between remembering what's in the fridge and what time your favorite reality TV show starts.

[bmwcrazy]

cuz like omg history is like so boring and like so stupid and stuff

[KnightofPhoenix]

Emzamination wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

What a load of crock... I don't need to study injustices, atrocities and war crimes committed throughout human history to know right from wrong.

Maybe not, but you can study how the events took place and why, see what factors were involved in starting them in the first place. Thus armed with that knowledge, one could seek to prevent similar atrocities from occuring.

If human morality was so reliable on its own, we would be living in a very different world now wouldn't we.

 men and women with greed and ambition will always be produced, no one can change that. How many people support or put such people in power for their own personal vices... well that's a matter for thy brother's keeper.

"The surest way for people to lose their power is to believe they don't have any."

I believe humanity is capable of doing more. But it cannot do so without knowledge.

[Some Geth]

Some people here, should watch the excellent and highly entertaining world history "Crash Course" video series.  

Modifié par Some Geth, 15 novembre 2012 - 05:32 .