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I'm sorry BSN, but the Shuriken is awesome.

Débuté par Guest_Lord_Sirian_* , nov. 15 2012 05:34

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:34

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Two of the people in the lobby are excellent players who I play with regularly, the last guy is a PUG. 20 minute game with the Shuriken scoring 130k, obvious great weapon is obvious. 

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In case you didn't realise, I am NOT serious. But this is an argument I see very often: "I can do really well with weapon X, it's a great/good/excellent weapon, you just don't know how to use it/are being narrow minded/don't think outside the box."

So really, with objectively bad weapons like the Disciple, CSMG, Hornet, etc. (particularly the rare/UR ones) can we STOP putting them on infiltrators, top scoring with them and then claiming that they are good/great weapons that are just misunderstood? Please?

They're not misunderstood. They're bad. 

TL;DR: Bad weapons are bad, stop putting them on infiltrators and claiming that they're good.

 

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:35

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co sign this powerful thread.


first page.

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:35

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Whee! A lot of dying in that game ;)

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:36

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:36

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

So really, with objectively bad weapons like the Disciple, CSMG, Hornet, etc.

 


what?

I agree with what you're saying overall, but isn't the hornet the second best smg?

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:37

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heroicmass wrote...

Whee! A lot of dying in that game ;)

 

2 Vanguards vs Collectors. :wizard: Revive tag!

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:38

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

Whee! A lot of dying in that game ;)

 

2 Vanguards vs Collectors. :wizard: Revive tag!


Been there.  Its a blast. 

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:39

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Blissey1 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

So really, with objectively bad weapons like the Disciple, CSMG, Hornet, etc.

 


what?

I agree with what you're saying overall, but isn't the hornet the second best smg?

 

I'd say the CSMG is better than the Hornet. Only just, but better. I'd also say the Locust is better because it has its niche (accuracy/RoF boosting headshot hunter classes make it pretty good). The same cannot be said for the Hornet. 

Besides, it's widely accepted that the Hurricane is the only good SMG. Even if the Hornet was the 2nd best SMG it wouldn't stop it being bad. 

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:39

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All the non-Hurricane SMG's and most of the Assault Rifles can feel a little underwhelming on Gold.

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:40

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Lol nice. I wouldn't be able to stand using the Shuriken in a gold match just to make a point.

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:41

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Preeety much.

Problems are:

BW staff refuses to think of guns as bad. They think think of them as "niche" or "role dependent".

Unfortunately the way to fix this is have someone on either the gameplay or design team whom is blunt. Namco actually has a person on both the SC and TPS teams whose job is to question time versus money expenditures on questionable stuff during character budget allotments.

Pretty sure BW doesn't have anything like that; fairly certain the most negative thing ever uttered at BW is "I'm not sure that works", whereas the vernacular among the playerbase would be more akin to "wow this X sure does suck. It powerful sucks."

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:41

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But But But... I scored 155k on Platinum with an Avenger X on a GI... I thought the Avenger (and myself) was awesome....

Geez Sirian.... thanks for pissing in my wheaties... damn PC butthole...

: )

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:41

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UnknownMercenary wrote...

Lol nice. I wouldn't be able to stand using the Shuriken in a gold match just to make a point.

 

I've actually scored 170k with it before. (In a full PUG basically), but forgot to screenshot that scorecard. ;)

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:41

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the hornet is very stable and hits well but I had the worst time doing the challenge for it. I was using the stability mod and pierce barrel.

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:42

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Eagle is second best SMG

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:43

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heroicmass wrote...

Eagle is second best SMG


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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:44

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heroicmass wrote...

Eagle is second best SMG


Nope. The best smg is the Reegar, and the second best is the Hurricane.

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:44

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darkpassenger2342 wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

Eagle is second best SMG


you will learn one day:police:

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:48

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While I agree the Disciple is a terrible weapon, I believe it does have a niche on the Krogan Shaman. It's a lightweight shotgun, so you can put a melee damage mod on it and still have a pretty low cooldown for powers, and the weapon itself is decent enough for shooting a few rounds off when it's unsafe to melee enemies like Banshees.

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:50

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Well played.

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:50

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TrollBerzerker01 wrote...

While I agree the Disciple is a terrible weapon, I believe it does have a niche on the Krogan Shaman. It's a lightweight shotgun, so you can put a melee damage mod on it and still have a pretty low cooldown for powers, and the weapon itself is decent enough for shooting a few rounds off when it's unsafe to melee enemies like Banshees.

 

The problem is that you could put a Wraith or a Reegar on it instead and still have good cooldowns (200% is NOT mandator for casters), the difference is you would actually kill some things with your gun as well, rather than just having it tickle them.

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:53

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heroicmass wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

Eagle is second best SMG


you will learn one day:police:


I have eagle VI. Somehow i doubt that.

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:54

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darkpassenger2342 wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

Eagle is second best SMG


you will learn one day:police:


I have eagle VI. Somehow i doubt that.


i have aVII and I love it. Hooray for differing opinions. 

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:55

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Lord_Sirian wrote...

The problem is that you could put a Wraith or a Reegar on it instead and still have good cooldowns (200% is NOT mandator for casters), the difference is you would actually kill some things with your gun as well, rather than just having it tickle them.


I dunno, I think 200% is kinda mandatory on the shaman. He already has Barrier tanking his cooldowns. I find the delay between Warp and Shockwave on him to be excruciating even when using the most lightweight weapons possible.

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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 05:56

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Weapon + skills = lots of dead enemies. Btw no 75 SMG kills? NOT APPROVED
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