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[Tybo]

Lord_Sirian wrote...


Or you could use a GPS/Reegar/Piranha/Wraith and actually kill things with your gun as well as melee...... 

Also the Shadow is a bad example, because it's one of the worst classes in the game (when it comes to damage output).

Yeah...the sad thing about the shadow is that you're pretty much best off just cloak>shooting with it, with shadow strike as an emergency button.  Shadow Strike can actually do pretty decent damage to armored bosses now though, with the SG omniblade.  Too bad that it doesn't work on half of them, and that using it on armor means you can't get shields back, and that bosses usually have melees/rockets that will stagger you out of your shadow strike.

[TattyUD]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

Please, do so. I score pretty high with Hornet on any class I use it with.

All it takes is using the stability consumable.

 

Fine.. I didn't want to do this, but:



For those who are unaware, Jay is a MUCH better player than I am. For me to outscore him, he needs to be using a horrible weapon. For me to outscore him by 85k, the weapon has to be absolutely and totally awful.

Guess which weapon he was using this game? 

I'd rather rely on using harsh language and giving dirty looks to enemies than use the hornet.

[HolyAvenger]

tyhw wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...


Or you could use a GPS/Reegar/Piranha/Wraith and actually kill things with your gun as well as melee...... 

Also the Shadow is a bad example, because it's one of the worst classes in the game (when it comes to damage output).

Yeah...the sad thing about the shadow is that you're pretty much best off just cloak>shooting with it, with shadow strike as an emergency button.  Shadow Strike can actually do pretty decent damage to armored bosses now though, with the SG omniblade.  Too bad that it doesn't work on half of them, and that using it on armor means you can't get shields back, and that bosses usually have melees/rockets that will stagger you out of your shadow strike.

I find the Shadow to be great...if the rest of the team can synergise with her (iffy in PUGs). I was running Reactor/Collector/Gold with my Shadow in a PUG last night, one shotting Collector Captains, Troopers etc, hoping that my teammates would put out enough DPS to kill the Scions and Praetorians. Didn't happen, so we wiped. She's a one-trick pony that needs help from the rest of the squad.

[xcrunr1647]

CitizenThom wrote...

All the non-Hurricane SMG's and most of the Assault Rifles can feel a little underwhelming on Gold.

I actually like the Locust on Gold.

TSol specced for headshot damage, Vulnerability VI V, Targeting VI III, AP ammo and the SMG HCB w/extended clip. Mows through enemies unbelievably fast. If you get headshots.

[Chaoswind]

joker_jack wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

Shadow with Disciple

Shot phantom with Disciple to force stagger
Melee phantom to dead
Profit????

Disciple is only useful to a shadow as makes multiple target encounters less troublesome and 200% on a pure melee shadow is glorious.

A wraith with a omni blade and normal shadow set up can ohk a gold phantom. The stagger doesn't always happen. Even if you land every pellet into the shot, there is still a large chance it won't stagger.

With a wraith you also have a way to deal with killing bosses if need be.

Smartass

The disciple is outclassed by an ultra rare, wow!!!!

The wraith is too heavy for a shadow unless you have it at level 5 and beyond, go bark at another tree please.

Shadow with disciple is my main build for it and play gold with it (most of my melee damage comes from it), is platinum worthy? no

[HolyAvenger]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Try playing a Shadow in one of our lobbies, HolyAvenger.

You'll SS something and before the animation completes, it will be dead.

That will be the story of your entire game and you'll end up with like 20k points.

Yeah, but that'd happen to me regardless of class and gun

[xcrunr1647]

I'm purposely skipping the Disciple for my "Street Sweeper" banner. The Katana and Eviscerator on a TSol are pretty fun...though I'll probably throw them on an Infiltrator just to get them done faster.

Only class I'll use the CSMG on is my Destroyer, because you can actually get a decent number of rounds out of it using Destroyer Mode and the Extended Clip.

[HolyAvenger]

I threw the Crusader on my TSol last night for sh*ts and giggles, and had a lot of fun headshotting geth from across the map.

You guys should a Crusader TSol video. Would be quite good, I think.

[Grunt_Platform]

I think the Disciple slightly beats the Katana (they have similar damage but the Disciple fires faster, and with the HVB hits roughly the same weight, so yay). ... But other than that, yeah. It's pretty much outclassed by every other shotgun gun in the game.

The balance of lightweight guns is just odd all around, especially the guns meant to be sidearms. Weapon switching is just too slow, and too easy to interrupt, and the payoff is just too small most of the time. Some guns ask for sidearms but.. usually it's easier and faster just to do without.

I will say, in my experience the Hornet's a little better than it's usually given credit for.. but that doesn't mean a whole lot. It might help out a little if your primary gun's a scorpion or an acolyte and you don't want too much weight at least (hitscan bullets and good accuracy with easily managed recoil). It's a pretty niche use that's worked for me.. but I'd never recommend it as a primary weapon.

A lot of it is just meta game quirks that just edge out certain weapon niches.

Modifié par EvanKester, 15 novembre 2012 - 11:22 .

[UnknownMercenary]

The Crusader isn't bad on a Destroyer; it's what I used to get the challenge done. Then again, it's hard to find a gun that sucks on him.

[HolyAvenger]

I'm just imagining the headshot devastation Jay would unleash with it.

[Chaoswind]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

The Disciple is outclassed by a Katana or a Scimitar or an Eviscerator.

In damage yes.

Let me tell you how i use that melee damage plataform.

Note: shadow strike is only used on far and unaware enemies mostly as a teleport to get close to a group

1. shadow strike priority target.
2. stagger a target (centurion/grt/etc)
3. melee another target to dead (light or heavy)
4. finish staggered target with heavy melee
5. repeat on the other side of the map.

With the shadow/disciple you pick stragglers and flank while the rest of the team distracts... you want to solo? don't

[FlowCytometry]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Chaoswind wrote...

Shadow with Disciple

Shot phantom with Disciple to force stagger
Melee phantom to dead
Profit????

Disciple is only useful to a shadow as makes multiple target encounters less troublesome and 200% on a pure melee shadow is glorious.

 

Or you could use a GPS/Reegar/Piranha/Wraith and actually kill things with your gun as well as melee...... 

Also the Shadow is a bad example, because it's one of the worst classes in the game (when it comes to damage output).

Eh. Shadow is def a way better class to pug w/, and dps isn't everything- in disorganized games being able to assassinate pesky lesser mobs w/ ease means ur teammates are less likely to get gunned down while they tunnel-vision the boss mobs. Duration spec is pretty much mandatory to use her properly, and that has the side effect of making the Shadow great for carrying dying teammates and soling some objectives.

But yeah, in organized games, and esp Plat, its not a great go-to class.. but not as many kits are in that environment.

Modifié par FlowCytometry, 15 novembre 2012 - 11:45 .

[HiGamerCAT]

I actually love CSMG (lvl 10 here not sure I'd use it below that) and hornet (though my finger does get tired of clicking it) for gold and plat.

[HolyAvenger]

Gold PUGs never go that smoothly. So its definitely Gold PUG viable class.

[xcrunr1647]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Here's what would happen in a lobby with decent players:

1. you SS a priority target, someone else using a proper class kills the target before the ridiculously long animation can finish
2. you stagger a target (centurion etc.) and someone else kills it.
3. You go to melee another target, but after one melee someone else headshots it and kills it
4. Staggered target is already dead
5. All the enemies on the other side of the map are already dead too and the wave is over.

A guy with a shadow was talking sh!t on me in a lobby one day, and I was playing my Turian Soldier with a Locust. I followed him around and singlehandedly made sure that what you said above is what he experienced.

I also topped the scoreboard, which I find incredibly amusing because I'm still trying to wash the old stigma from the Locust from my mind. Watching chains of kills with the Locust rack up in the kill feed just feels...wrong...

Which made the game with that jerk-off even more amusing

[Conduit0]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I threw the Crusader on my TSol last night for sh*ts and giggles, and had a lot of fun headshotting geth from across the map.

You guys should a Crusader TSol video. Would be quite good, I think.

 

 I can't stand the Crusader.

Aww, I really like the Crusader on the TSent, its good by its self, but combine it with warp and warp ammo and its like a multishot claymore that can hit enemies at any distance.

[d_nought]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Here's what would happen in a lobby with decent players:

1. you SS a priority target, someone else using a proper class kills the target before the ridiculously long animation can finish
2. you stagger a target (centurion etc.) and someone else kills it.
3. You go to melee another target, but after one melee someone else headshots it and kills it
4. Staggered target is already dead
5. All the enemies on the other side of the map are already dead too and the wave is over.

IMO the best you can do is synapsefire's claymore build, the 3-shot bomber. Use shadow strike sparingly and only against bosses by abusing that power reload cancel cheese tactic. Or dare I say, electric slash is more useful than SS when playing with OP hax players. Still, very hard to make work, but I'm still annoyed with trying to find out how to Phoenix properly in OP hax lobbies without having to resort to the Reegar/Acolyte, so I'll leave further Shadow justification to someone else.

[Chaoswind]

organized teams are NOT where the shadows shine.

Shadows are best as a crutch for PUG matches.

[cgj]

disciple has nothing going for it anymore
it had the weight before and that is the only reason you can still take it out for the Ô so numerous melee builds

but even melee builds have much better options that don't have to be URs