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[GriM_AoD]

If the Shurikens brusts were semi automatic.. it'd be so much better. Close to its ME2 glory days.
It's passable with a scope to burst fire their faces. But not great. At least it weighs next to nothing.

[HusarX]

Xaijin wrote...

heroicmass wrote...

Eagle is second best SMG

Nope. The best smg is the Reegar...

Nope.The best SMG is Indra.

Modifié par HusarX, 15 novembre 2012 - 12:17 .

[sobit]

a bit late to the party but here i go.
OP: Nice to finally have someone say it, putting a gun on an infiltrator and scoring high doesn't prove anything. but then again, most reasonable guns will be bad to mediocre on an adept, and good to excellent on a soldier. so... damn i kinda lost the point i was going to make. i though quite a bit about weapon balancing the last few days and i got to the point where i don't know what to say or think. anyone feel the same? can someone give me reasonable arguments on how to feel about "bad" guns and what makes them so?

[Deerber]

 + 1 for this thread!

By the way, I'm pretty sure I and all the humans around would never be able to outscore Jay, even when using a TGI with typhoon when he's using a lvl 1 drell adept with a hornet.
Outscore him by 85k? Lol, never thought I'd see that 

Anyway, Shadow is a great class to carry a gold PUG team. Using him with a coordinated team of strong players can be... Frustrating at the very least.

[ToaOrka]

The Hornet isn't actually that terrible. Still, valid point is valid.

Can we include the N7 Destroyer into this "it's not the weapon, it's the class" category?

[d_nought]

Deerber wrote...


Shadow is a great class to carry a gold PUG team. Using him with a coordinated team of strong players can be... Frustrating at the very least.

Deerber wrote...


Shadow is a great class to carry a
gold PUG team. Using him with a coordinated team

Deerber wrote...


Shadow is a great class to carry a
gold PUG team. Using him

Deerber wrote...


Shadow... him

I always wondered why the front of the N7 Shadow's suit was so baggy

[Deerber]

chipsandwich wrote...

Deerber wrote...


Shadow is a great class to carry a gold PUG team. Using him with a coordinated team of strong players can be... Frustrating at the very least.

Deerber wrote...


Shadow is a great class to carry a
gold PUG team. Using him with a coordinated team

Deerber wrote...


Shadow is a great class to carry a
gold PUG team. Using him

Deerber wrote...


Shadow... him

I always wondered why the front of the N7 Shadow's suit was so baggy

Lol... Wouldn't know, I'm usually watching the back 

[sobit]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

sobit wrote...

a bit late to the party but here i go.
OP: Nice to finally have someone say it, putting a gun on an infiltrator and scoring high doesn't prove anything. but then again, most reasonable guns will be bad to mediocre on an adept, and good to excellent on a soldier. so... damn i kinda lost the point i was going to make. i though quite a bit about weapon balancing the last few days and i got to the point where i don't know what to say or think. anyone feel the same? can someone give me reasonable arguments on how to feel about "bad" guns and what makes them so?

 

Well the current yardstick I use is if I can outscore Jay when he's using a certain gun, the gun is most likely bad. Unless there were mitigating circumstances.

Everyone has their own standards though. My standards for what makes a good gun are probably a bit higher than most people's.

so with the same loadout jay will always be better/score higher? i might have to play with him once and see what this is all about.

edit: let's reduce this to weapon focussed loadout.

Modifié par sobit, 15 novembre 2012 - 01:06 .

[soulriss]

it's not the first time when someone has discovered shurkien's greatness ;P

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/343/index/12703512

so it seems it's truly a good gun

[d_nought]

sobit wrote...


so with the same loadout jay will always be better/score higher? i might have to play with him once and see what this is all about.

If he is using a headshot capable weapon and your name isn't Stentron or thee3nd, then chances are pretty high. No-one really believes it when everyone talks about it, you really have to see him in action to know why.

[sobit]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

If it's a class that makes any use of ANY sort of weapon (particularly an auto/semi auto weapon) Jay should outscore me by a substantial margin if we're both using the same loadouts.

His aim is just incredible... like Feneckus says... he has cyborg implants.

There aren't many players who are better than I am at this game... but Jay's one of them.

Okay, that much about modesty.... but i think i can accept that as a valid measurement. so tell me then, Lord sirian, what guns are bad?

[RNG God]

I approve.

[Ziegrif]

I actually like a lot of guns you mentioned and don't really think of them as bad.

To me a bad gun is something that won't work even if you put it on a GI.

Modifié par Ziegrif, 15 novembre 2012 - 01:30 .

[sobit]

golly gosh, i'm getting excited when thinking about getting my new PC and being able to play recent games. i hope i can play a game or two with you guys then.

Modifié par sobit, 15 novembre 2012 - 01:12 .

[d_nought]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

sobit wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

If it's a class that makes any use of ANY sort of weapon (particularly an auto/semi auto weapon) Jay should outscore me by a substantial margin if we're both using the same loadouts.

His aim is just incredible... like Feneckus says... he has cyborg implants.

There aren't many players who are better than I am at this game... but Jay's one of them.

Okay, that much about modesty.... but i think i can accept that as a valid measurement. so tell me then, Lord sirian, what guns are bad?

  

Out of the rares, I would say the following (in no particular order of 'badness'):

Hornet, Disciple, Argus, GPR, CAR, Arc Pistol, Striker, GPSMG, Krysae.

Obviously I don't think weapons like the Falcon or the Acolyte are bad because they are utility weapons that perform their designed functions very well.

You can't really judge the Striker or Krysae based on how Jay does with them though

[Fortack]

sobit wrote...

a bit late to the party but here i go.
OP: Nice to finally have someone say it, putting a gun on an infiltrator and scoring high doesn't prove anything. but then again, most reasonable guns will be bad to mediocre on an adept, and good to excellent on a soldier. so... damn i kinda lost the point i was going to make. i though quite a bit about weapon balancing the last few days and i got to the point where i don't know what to say or think. anyone feel the same? can someone give me reasonable arguments on how to feel about "bad" guns and what makes them so?

There aren't weapons that are good on one character and bad on another. Good weapons are, well, always good. The only difference between characters with powers that increase weapon performance is that they will be slightly better, but those characters usually lack the utility others have.

One thing that I consider important is how well certain weapons mesh with power usage & cooldowns. Having a good rhythm between shooting & casting can make quite a difference in overall performance.

[d_nought]

I would say the Argus and Arc Pistol are very slightly debatable, but everything else is pretty much justified. If we're going by the Jay criteria, then the Arc Pistol is ok. Then again, it was Stardusks's host, so you might as well just put me on the bottom of the scoreboard from the get go.

[ryanshowseason3]

I both support the message of this thread and the transparency of admitted trolling in the first post.

C'mon people sarcasm is hard to detect unless blatantly obvious on the internet.

[Apl_Juice]

For the record, can we also apply this to characters?

If I hear that I'm not using Drell Vanguard "correctly" or that he's "complicated" I may lose it.

[d_nought]

Apl_J wrote...

For the record, can we also apply this to characters?

If I hear that I'm not using Drell Vanguard "correctly" or that he's "complicated" I may lose it.

Except that the Drell Vanguard is actually good.

Fast travel time + high DPS through either cluster grenades or the ability to carry heavier weapons. Squishy, but 50% DR from charge would give him enough time to throw 2 cluster grenades at ~3000 total damage per cluster with power synergy charge. Him, the Brosoldier and the Male Quarians are probably the best spawn nukers in the game.

Modifié par chipsandwich, 15 novembre 2012 - 01:31 .