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[Apl_Juice]

Sorry but I don't agree. I don't need to tell you why as this argument has been done to death, so yea.

[Ziegrif]

Meh.
Now that I think about it for myself.
I really don't think any of the guns suck.
I find high dmg guns actually quite boring like the Piranha.

A good gun for me is something that's interesting to use.

But hey that's just me.

Edit: Also the Cerby adept and HA their Singularity more than makes up for their dmg.

Utility!

Modifié par Ziegrif, 15 novembre 2012 - 01:38 .

[Deerber]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

classes which genuinely have poor damage output are probably:

...

Turian Havoc

Now, why is it? I mean yeah, his damage output isn't great, but the class by itself is by no means bad I think. Stimpacks let you fire much longer than the average class, and that results in a decent damage output in the end. I can probably think of a ****load of classes which are going to score less than he is. 

chipsandwich wrote...

Apl_J wrote...

For the record, can we also apply this to characters?

If I hear that I'm not using Drell Vanguard "correctly" or that he's "complicated" I may lose it.

Except that the Drell Vanguard is actually good.

Fast travel time + high DPS through either cluster grenades or the ability to carry heavier weapons. Squishy, but 50% DR from charge would give him enough time to throw 2 cluster grenades at ~3000 total damage per cluster with power synergy charge. Him, the Brosoldier and the Male Quarians are probably the best spawn nukers in the game.

Uh? Why is the brosoldier so good at nuking spawns? Also, why is the Drell Adept not there? 

[Trontor]

Lord_Sirian wrote...


TL;DR: Bad weapons are bad, stop putting them on infiltrators and claiming that they're good.

 

+1

[Deerber]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Brosoldier is good at spawn nuking because inferno grenades are insane.

Then... Why is the Krogan soldier not there? 

[sobit]

now that i found out that the omni blade and HVB on the wraith are bugged i don't think i'm ever gonna use the piranha or disciple again.

and hey, i really like the human sentinels. I had my awaking to gold on those. 2nd strongest reasonably repeatable BE and kinda tanky. but yeah.

Modifié par sobit, 15 novembre 2012 - 01:45 .

[sobit]

and i also think drell adept and krosoldier should be in that list^^

[EagleScoutDJB]

The Shuriken is a great weapon because as a common weapon it's so easy to get the Shuriken X, I used it all the time until I got the Locust X.

[Cole Jones]

Nice, Even if your joking It is a good gun for Silver. Tempest is better though.

[HolyAvenger]

dbollendorf wrote...

The Shuriken is a great weapon because as a common weapon it's so easy to get the Shuriken X, I used it all the time until I got the Locust X.

That doesn't make it a great weapon.

Look, I'm using my Mantis X on my SI in gold for the challenge. Is it viable? Sure. Does that make it great? No. 

Modifié par HolyAvenger, 15 novembre 2012 - 01:53 .

[sobit]

i think you guys are missing the point of this thread. this is high end weapon discussion, gold+. of course they are "good" on silver.

[UnknownMercenary]

Deerber wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Brosoldier is good at spawn nuking because inferno grenades are insane.

Then... Why is the Krogan soldier not there? 

Kroldier (if that's not a term it is now) gets the extra power damage from Fortifcation and ability to detonate, but Brosoldier has Ballistic Blades which are really really good. The Batarian can run faster too so he probably has the edge for spawn nuking.

[sy7ar]

dont forget to put on your abundant lvl 3 smg amps, always full lvl equipments.

[EagleScoutDJB]

HolyAvenger wrote...

dbollendorf wrote...

The Shuriken is a great weapon because as a common weapon it's so easy to get the Shuriken X, I used it all the time until I got the Locust X.

That doesn't make it a great weapon.

Look, I'm using my Mantis X on my SI in gold for the challenge. Is it viable? Sure. Does that make it great? No. 

Untill I started working on maxing my manifest it was the best SMG I had and I even used it for soloing bronze and silver, it's so light you can carry it and a pistol and still have 200% recharge on your powers.  It may not get used much after more weapons are unlocked and leveled up, but for me it was the best starting weapon.

[kipac]

Not everyone is saying the gun is bad because of its damage.
Sometimes people say the weapon is bad just because of its recoil: argus, incisor, and hornet.
They are actually good if you control the recoil.

[Zjarcal]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

classes which genuinely have poor damage output are probably:

Phoenix classes
Shadow
human adepts (maybe)
human sentinels (again maybe)
Turian Havoc

You could argue for a few more, but those are the classes which you could probably expect to do poorly, especially in lobbies with good players.

On that list I do agree. Anytime I take my Shadow or Human Sentinel for a spin I know I'm gonna score lower than usual.

I still love them, I don't have to score high to have fun. And a class doesn't have to be a high scorer to be good in my book.

Lord_Sirian wrote...

stysiaq wrote...

Please, do so. I score pretty high with Hornet on any class I use it with.

All it takes is using the stability consumable.

 

Fine.. I didn't want to do this, but:

*snip*

For those who are unaware, Jay is a MUCH better player than I am. For me to outscore him, he needs to be using a horrible weapon. For me to outscore him by 85k, the weapon has to be absolutely and totally awful.

Guess which weapon he was using this game? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Eh, all you show there is that you outscored someone (don't care if it's the "best player ever"). All that shows is that some things are better than others, which isn't news to anyone.

In my eyes something can be "worse" than something else, but still good.

But as you said earlier, your standards for what makes a weapon "good" are different than those of other people.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 15 novembre 2012 - 05:13 .

[AresKeith]

Crush the heretic

[Cole Jones]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I threw the Crusader on my TSol last night for sh*ts and giggles, and had a lot of fun headshotting geth from across the map.

You guys should a Crusader TSol video. Would be quite good, I think.

 

 I can't stand the Crusader.

It's the best sniper rifle in the game. Talon is best Shotty, Tempest is one fo the best AR's and eagle is best SMG, and the Carnifix is the best Pistol... Man Bioware was drunk when they classed these things.

[Lives Must Die]

Har! Agreed!

Or how about at least adding in... "Such and such weapon is only good with an Infiltrator using TC, blah blah blah."

Modifié par Lives Must Die, 15 novembre 2012 - 04:34 .

[Swan Killer]

chipsandwich wrote...

Apl_J wrote...

For the record, can we also apply this to characters?

If I hear that I'm not using Drell Vanguard "correctly" or that he's "complicated" I may lose it.

Except that the Drell Vanguard is actually good.

Fast travel time + high DPS through either cluster grenades or the ability to carry heavier weapons. Squishy, but 50% DR from charge would give him enough time to throw 2 cluster grenades at ~3000 total damage per cluster with power synergy charge. Him, the Brosoldier and the Male Quarians are probably the best spawn nukers in the game.

Just make sure  you don't end up on Condor with that dream team 

[Caldari Ghost]

Mister_Faust wrote...

the hornet is very stable and hits well but I had the worst time doing the challenge for it. I was using the stability mod and pierce barrel.

Even without stability mod it takes no effort to hit trash mobs at 50 meters or more. 
As for damage, I used to use my slayer with hornet on platinum and it did very well.
I believe the hornet is a very good gun that does not need an infiltrator to do decent damage.

[Caldari Ghost]

Also recently took my human engineer into a white/reaper/gold game and got more kills wih my hornet than my powers. Hitting marauders and cannibals from across the open was effortless, the recoil is very short and easy to control, and the hornet is especially good at shotgun range. Also takes down brutes and ravagers in just a few seconds.

[Scam_poo]

Let me guess... GI? I was using the GI for all the pistols and SMGs I normally don't use (e.g. Arc Pistol, Phalanx, Hornet) and ended up >120K with each. So yeah, if you can handle the GI (yes, you read that correctly), you can score well with just about anything. (Then again, with the proper amount of skill you can probably put any gun on any class and end up top score)