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[A Wild Snorlax]

Lol I approve of this thread.

Way to make fun of the usual moronic bsn arguments.

[capn233]

Didn't read the thread.

Shuriken is the best gun in the game. If you don't think so, l2p, bro.

[UKStory135]

I see what you did there... and I approve.

[Miniditka77]

I don't think SMG's are intended to be main weapons on classes that depend on weapon damage.  They are meant to be main weapons on casters or light sidearms on other characters.  The Hurricane is the exception, but then again, the Hurricane is heavy by SMG standards.  All in all, SMG's fill their intended roles pretty well, I think (at least now that ULM is working).  AR's are the bigger problem.  There are only like 3-4 good ones, and these are guns that are meant to be main weapons.

[upinya slayin]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Two of the people in the lobby are excellent players who I play with regularly, the last guy is a PUG. 20 minute game with the Shuriken scoring 130k, obvious great weapon is obvious. 

 



In case you didn't realise, I am NOT serious. But this is an argument I see very often: "I can do really well with weapon X, it's a great/good/excellent weapon, you just don't know how to use it/are being narrow minded/don't think outside the box."

So really, with objectively bad weapons like the Disciple, CSMG, Hornet, etc. (particularly the rare/UR ones) can we STOP putting them on infiltrators, top scoring with them and then claiming that they are good/great weapons that are just misunderstood? Please?

They're not misunderstood. They're bad. 

TL;DR: Bad weapons are bad, stop putting them on infiltrators and claiming that they're good.

 

I see what you did there
but no 75 SMG kill medal?


but yeah during the SMG challenge i was putting up in the 130s with a locust kroguard, a hornet kroguard, a GPSMG GE and Demo, The GPSMG when modded out is actually one hell of a weapon. If i had to grade them IMO

Hurricane
CSMG
GPSMG
Locust
Hornet

I didn't use the shuriken or tempest

Modifié par upinya slayin, 15 novembre 2012 - 05:41 .

[BridgeBurner]

0/10 SIrian. You cheated by going infiltrator.

Do that on a volus adept, then you can have the Seal Of Indisputable Scottish Approval!

[UKStory135]

The only Uncommon+ guns that I feel are bad are the Incisor, Disciple, Arc Pistol, and Eagle.

[Miniditka77]

UKStory135 wrote...

The only Uncommon+ guns that I feel are bad are the Incisor, Disciple, Arc Pistol, and Eagle.

I'd call the Eagle "OK", but not good.  If I ever got it to Level X (hopefully that will be a long time), its DPS for its weight may be the best in the game.  And the Arc Pistol actually would be good if anyone could pull the trigger fast enough.

[Mojenator12345]

I  <3  my hornet.

[Katinka]

I can't take a Krogan seriously if he's using a Disciple. Just makes me think "You have a woman's shotgun!"

Blackadder reference

[Yuoaman]

Hey. Hey. Hey. I think the Shuriken is pretty alright.

[shadowkinz]

Hornet is a beast. I love shuriken but wish it fired like in me2

[Ledgend1221]

"OMG! SMGS ARE THE SHIZ WHEN YOU USE THEM ON ADEPTS THAT CAN CAUSE EPIC DAMAGE WITH BIOSPLOISIONS!"

I agree with the OP.

[Dimlor]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

TrollBerzerker01 wrote...

While I agree the Disciple is a terrible weapon, I believe it does have a niche on the Krogan Shaman. It's a lightweight shotgun, so you can put a melee damage mod on it and still have a pretty low cooldown for powers, and the weapon itself is decent enough for shooting a few rounds off when it's unsafe to melee enemies like Banshees.

 

The problem is that you could put a Wraith or a Reegar on it instead and still have good cooldowns (200% is NOT mandator for casters), the difference is you would actually kill some things with your gun as well, rather than just having it tickle them.

You kidding right? 

200% cooldown is a MUST HAVE!
/sarcasm

I bet not a whole lot of people actually looks at the cooldowns on each power.

[megabeast37215]

Lord_Sirian wrote...
Hornet, Disciple, Argus, GPR, CAR, Arc Pistol, Striker, GPSMG, Krysae.

Geth Plasma SMG is actually good dude... like good enough for our high weapon standards.

Put both clip mods on it with AP IV ammo... aim for the head like always. 4-5 dead mooks per clip, and very respectable boss damage.

AP ammo makes the weapon IMO... I couldn't believe the boss damage, especially when Banshees stopped jumping and I could focus right on her head.

Give it a try... doesn't have to be on a Geth class or an Infiltrator to thrive... just needs AP IV ammo.

[upinya slayin]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...
Hornet, Disciple, Argus, GPR, CAR, Arc Pistol, Striker, GPSMG, Krysae.

Geth Plasma SMG is actually good dude... like good enough for our high weapon standards.

Put both clip mods on it with AP IV ammo... aim for the head like always. 4-5 dead mooks per clip, and very respectable boss damage.

AP ammo makes the weapon IMO... I couldn't believe the boss damage, especially when Banshees stopped jumping and I could focus right on her head.

Give it a try... doesn't have to be on a Geth class or an Infiltrator to thrive... just needs AP IV ammo.

I was very suprised on how good the GPSMG was on gold with amps and mods. I used it on a GE (no hunter mode)
wa splaying with a random (level 20 GI with valiant V) and 2 friends (level 4 AV with a raptor) and (level 12ish kroguard can't remember the wepaon but it wasn't a very good one) I expected the random to top the scoreboard. nope my GPSMG did and in second was my friend with the level 4 AV and a raptor. That random was terrible lol

The main thing i'm trying to say is the GPSMG is a really good weapon. The locust isn't that bad anymore after all the buffs either. The only one i hated suing out of my SMgs for the challenge was the hornet

[Ashen One]

Dimlor wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

TrollBerzerker01 wrote...

While I agree the Disciple is a terrible weapon, I believe it does have a niche on the Krogan Shaman. It's a lightweight shotgun, so you can put a melee damage mod on it and still have a pretty low cooldown for powers, and the weapon itself is decent enough for shooting a few rounds off when it's unsafe to melee enemies like Banshees.

 

The problem is that you could put a Wraith or a Reegar on it instead and still have good cooldowns (200% is NOT mandator for casters), the difference is you would actually kill some things with your gun as well, rather than just having it tickle them.

You kidding right? 

200% cooldown is a MUST HAVE!
/sarcasm

I bet not a whole lot of people actually looks at the cooldowns on each power.

They don't.

I mean, who needs basic subtraction to see the difference in seconds (or in this case, fractions of 1 second) of the power cooldown when using weapon A vs weapon B when you can just look at the weapon screen and say 200% = good and everything else = bad?

[VaultingFrog]

I am sorry but I have to say this as threads like this are getting annoying to me.

Good, bad, awesome (and so on).... are all perspectives. What makes a gun good to one person does not mean it will automatically make it good to another. I dont give the south end of a north bound rat about the "stats" on a weapon for its DPS or whatnot. I will play with weapons and powers I am comfortable with.

Does it mean I will score as high as others, nope but hey thats life. You can top charts all you want but dont go around crying that a weapon is bad. Your stating a perspective and nothing more than that. The validity of that kind of stuff is only for the poster who makes the thread. Everything else is bandwagon crap.

I caught flak for being a Destroyer with a missile launcher instead of the multi-frags way back when the thing first came out. But I was happy with my build and I did really well with it (which is why I still use that build to this day). What works for one does not mean it will work for another. Why is that such a hard concept to understand?

[megabeast37215]

VaultingFrog wrote...

I am sorry but I have to say this as threads like this are getting annoying to me.

Good, bad, awesome (and so on).... are all perspectives. What makes a gun good to one person does not mean it will automatically make it good to another. I dont give the south end of a north bound rat about the "stats" on a weapon for its DPS or whatnot. I will play with weapons and powers I am comfortable with.

Does it mean I will score as high as others, nope but hey thats life. You can top charts all you want but dont go around crying that a weapon is bad. Your stating a perspective and nothing more than that. The validity of that kind of stuff is only for the poster who makes the thread. Everything else is bandwagon crap.

I caught flak for being a Destroyer with a missile launcher instead of the multi-frags way back when the thing first came out. But I was happy with my build and I did really well with it (which is why I still use that build to this day). What works for one does not mean it will work for another. Why is that such a hard concept to understand?

So.... you're saying the Skuriken is good?

[VaultingFrog]

megabeast37215 wrote...

So.... you're saying the Skuriken is good?

I am saying to each their own and leave it the hell alone. Weapons are only good or bad to the individual. If you dont like a weapon fine, but stop making threads crying about it. It just adds to the thousands of crap threads on here already. Dont we have enough of that already?

[Ashen One]

VaultingFrog wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

So.... you're saying the Skuriken is good?

I am saying to each their own and leave it the hell alone. Weapons are only good or bad to the individual. If you dont like a weapon fine, but stop making threads crying about it. It just adds to the thousands of crap threads on here already. Dont we have enough of that already?

The fact that you're complaining about people comparing weapons to one another begs the question of what you're doing on a video game forum anyway.

"Good" and "bad" are subjective terms, but that doesn't mean weapons/characters/powers/strategies can't and shouldn't be compared to one another for those of us that like to know what is effective. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why it is exactly that this forum exists?

[HolyAvenger]

I sort of see his point. I think a lot of the fun in playing is more subjective than good/bad, and that gets lost in these theorycrafting and powergaming arguments.

I agree the Shadow is subpar class, for example. But playing a sword-wielding space ninja is hella fun, so I'm never going to stop playing her no matter if her DPS is well below a Javelin GI or what have you.

[VaultingFrog]

Ashen Earth wrote...

VaultingFrog wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

So.... you're saying the Skuriken is good?

I am saying to each their own and leave it the hell alone. Weapons are only good or bad to the individual. If you dont like a weapon fine, but stop making threads crying about it. It just adds to the thousands of crap threads on here already. Dont we have enough of that already?

The fact that you're complaining about people comparing weapons to one another begs the question of what you're doing on a video game forum anyway.

"Good" and "bad" are subjective terms, but that doesn't mean weapons/characters/powers/strategies can't and shouldn't be compared to one another for those of us that like to know what is effective. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why it is exactly that this forum exists?

I ask myself that question every day when I log on. But mostly I just look at my HQ and shake my head. I post on the forums to pass time at work.

And yes I have asked why these forums exist, and I have answered as well.

1: To provide a community with a place to talk about lore and or current/upcomming storyline
2: To provide a place where constructive criticism can be discussed and possible improvements made
3: To provide a place where players can hook up for a game or two. Perhaps just to "meet" new people

Just to name 3 reasons. Of those #2 should have been applied here however there is no constructive criticism, just crying about a weapon and or a class within the game. It offers no value to either the forums nor its occupants. Hence my comment about the stupidity of making such a thread.

And yes someone will inevitably point out that I am still posting a complaint about a complaint. The irony is there. I get that. Still, this is one of the few times I will actually post something like this. Mostly I just let it build up till I cant take it any more (such as now).

End of the day I have but two comments:

1: Its a bloody personal perspective, dont ever treat it as fact.

2: If you want a game tailored to what you want then make it yourself.

[megabeast37215]

VaultingFrog wrote...I ask myself that question every day when I log on. But mostly I just look at my HQ and shake my head. I post on the forums to pass time at work.

And yes I have asked why these forums exist, and I have answered as well.

1: To provide a community with a place to talk about lore and or current/upcomming storyline
2: To provide a place where constructive criticism can be discussed and possible improvements made
3: To provide a place where players can hook up for a game or two. Perhaps just to "meet" new people

Just to name 3 reasons. Of those #2 should have been applied here however there is no constructive criticism, just crying about a weapon and or a class within the game. It offers no value to either the forums nor its occupants. Hence my comment about the stupidity of making such a thread.

And yes someone will inevitably point out that I am still posting a complaint about a complaint. The irony is there. I get that. Still, this is one of the few times I will actually post something like this. Mostly I just let it build up till I cant take it any more (such as now).

End of the day I have but two comments:

1: Its a bloody personal perspective, dont ever treat it as fact.

2: If you want a game tailored to what you want then make it yourself.

Free country... I do what I want, say what I want, to whomever I want.... as long as it causes no bodily harm, you can't make me.

Just for you I feel like making a thread about Rare Assault rifles needing buffed, and whining about how inferior they are to rare shotguns/sniper rifles.

[Dimlor]

Ashen Earth wrote...


They don't.

I mean, who needs basic subtraction to see the difference in seconds (or in this case, fractions of 1 second) of the power cooldown when using weapon A vs weapon B when you can just look at the weapon screen and say 200% = good and everything else = bad?

That's also basically why 99% of the time I laugh in the face of improved recharge power evolutions.