It wasn't full frontal nudity, but it wasn't a ridiculous small cloth/blackout scene. I think it would be nice to see at least that in DA3.
If the DA teams wants they could even do a Witcher 2 style romance scene.I can confirm that no little boys had their heads explode as a result of watching the Witcher 2 scenes, so I'm sure Fox News will leave it alone. If not you can point out God of War and Witcher 2 and use them as a scapegoat.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 01:56
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No. One doesn't need nudity to have a touching romantic scene. Fade2black is enough.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:00
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No, full nudity or no deal. Its a M rated game for mature audience, if you are kid GTFO, this forums are for 18+ rated game!
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:02
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I agree, sadly Bioware doesn't want a repeat of what happened with Fox news when ME1 came out. The ME3 scenes were't childish like all the past Bioware romance scenes, so I could really go for that.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:06
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Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
No, full nudity or no deal. Its a M rated game for mature audience, if you are kid GTFO, this forums are for 18+ rated game!
First off nudity and maturity aren't synomous.
Second, there are plenty of outlets to fill your vice. A rpg isn't one of them.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:10
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Why is this such an issue? True you don't need full-frontal nudity to make a romantic scene work, but fade to black is just annoying, it's too quick, it's as if nothing happened, and to me it's a cop out.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:14
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Emzamination wrote...
Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
No, full nudity or no deal. Its a M rated game for mature audience, if you are kid GTFO, this forums are for 18+ rated game!
First off nudity and maturity aren't synomous.
Second, there are plenty of outlets to fill your vice. A rpg isn't one of them.
I'm not using it as an outlet for anything. The fade to black scenes are just ridiculous and pointless. If there isn't going to be an actual scene then the sex should just be implied. Fade to black is a joke to appease the prudes up at Fox News.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:15
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Why should the devs squander time by making a scene like this? Just use your imagination, and as Emza said there are plenty of other outlets if you want that sort of thing.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:18
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Revenant24 wrote...
Why is this such an issue? True you don't need full-frontal nudity to make a romantic scene work, but fade to black is just annoying, it's too quick, it's as if nothing happened, and to me it's a cop out.
Too quick for what? When the screen fades to black and your pc is beside their romance partner, you know something happened.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:18
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I rather have some deep emotional conversations than a sex scene any time. A game doesn't really need sex. I'm not against it, but it's definitely not a priority.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:19
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There were sex scenes in Mass Effect? The only ones I ever saw were fully clothed, fade to black.
Huh.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:21
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plnero wrote...
Emzamination wrote...
Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
No, full nudity or no deal. Its a M rated game for mature audience, if you are kid GTFO, this forums are for 18+ rated game!
First off nudity and maturity aren't synomous.
Second, there are plenty of outlets to fill your vice. A rpg isn't one of them.
I'm not using it as an outlet for anything. The fade to black scenes are just ridiculous and pointless. If there isn't going to be an actual scene then the sex should just be implied. Fade to black is a joke to appease the prudes up at Fox News.
The whole point of Fade2black is to imply sex without actually showing it, so I'm not seeing the issue. The romanticized pillow talk afterwards is what matters.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:36
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Liara's scene from ME3 is an example of how to do it right. Traynor's scene from ME3 is an example of how to do it wrong.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:50
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The clothed sex scenes in DA2 were lame. Still, they were better than the one in DA:O. Morrigan actually put on a bra for the sex scene, in that one.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 02:52
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"I'm not saying I just want ******, but seriously, show me ******." <--- my impression of the people who keep making posts for this topic every time it comes up.
EDIT: Actually, maybe I should say that's my impression of what's being said by them.
EDIT: Actually, maybe I should say that's my impression of what's being said by them.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:00
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^ That's exactly what's being said, harle.
I believe a nice compromise would be the Vtmb sex scene with everyone's favorite psycopath.There was a respectable amount of non-explicit stimulating talk, fade2black, some grunting sounds to imply what's happening and then you're sent on on your way.
I believe a nice compromise would be the Vtmb sex scene with everyone's favorite psycopath.There was a respectable amount of non-explicit stimulating talk, fade2black, some grunting sounds to imply what's happening and then you're sent on on your way.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:01
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I don`t think they should add "******" just for the sake of it. But they shouldn`t shy away from it either. The game has a mature ending, if a mature person gets offended by seeing a pair of breasts, its his\\her problem. Odd that seeing a pair of breasts getting kissed is offensive to people, but seeing a breast get shot is not.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:08
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plnero wrote...
It wasn't full frontal nudity, but it wasn't a ridiculous small cloth/blackout scene. I think it would be nice to see at least that in DA3.
If the DA teams wants they could even do a Witcher 2 style romance scene.I can confirm that no little boys had their heads explode as a result of watching the Witcher 2 scenes, so I'm sure Fox News will leave it alone. If not you can point out God of War and Witcher 2 and use them as a scapegoat.
I'm in favour of this. It added realism to the sex scene in Mass Effect. I hated the underwear sex in Dragon Age: Origins and since I've been playing the series on my 360, I can't really mod it.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:18
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Rawgrim wrote...
I don`t think they should add "******" just for the sake of it. But they shouldn`t shy away from it either. The game has a mature ending, if a mature person gets offended by seeing a pair of breasts, its hisher problem. Odd that seeing a pair of breasts getting kissed is offensive to people, but seeing a breast get shot is not.
Again I repeat maturity and nudity are not synomous.
A mature person would understand that mature just means adult, and being adult alone doesn't entitle nudity. The fact that you're suggesting just because you're mature, you must have nudity shows a major lack of maturity. You just aren't ready to expierence that yet.
If you wish to see "Breast getting kissed" there are games to feel that vice. I suggesting expending your needs there.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:22
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**Takes out pen and paper**
Please, take a seat OP. Thank you.
How important is this to you, OP? Let us assume a scale where things like " DA3 needs to be an RPG set in Thedas" ranks "10" in importance and..say, "Manual of DA3 must have that sexy new stuff odor when out of the box" rates at "1"
1) With the scale described above in mind, what numeric value would you give to importance of having a " Mass Effect Style Sex Scene" in DA3, or in any other video game you are looking forward to?
2) Did you feel loved by your mother when you were a small child?
3) Do you ever remember sitting on the lap of your mother? If yes, does it invoke safe, happy memories?
4) Dogs or cats?
5) When you are under blankeTs and aboUT to fall a sleep, do you have a " safe place" As in, location where you like to imagine yourself in while waiting for sleep to arrive?
6) If yes to above, does this location involve muscular male characters from Gears of Wars - franchise?
I encourage anyone who averages more than five(5) posts/week in threads related to "LIs" in any video game forum to take this survey. THIS INCLUDES YOU, DAVID GAIDER
Please, take a seat OP. Thank you.
How important is this to you, OP? Let us assume a scale where things like " DA3 needs to be an RPG set in Thedas" ranks "10" in importance and..say, "Manual of DA3 must have that sexy new stuff odor when out of the box" rates at "1"
1) With the scale described above in mind, what numeric value would you give to importance of having a " Mass Effect Style Sex Scene" in DA3, or in any other video game you are looking forward to?
2) Did you feel loved by your mother when you were a small child?
3) Do you ever remember sitting on the lap of your mother? If yes, does it invoke safe, happy memories?
4) Dogs or cats?
5) When you are under blankeTs and aboUT to fall a sleep, do you have a " safe place" As in, location where you like to imagine yourself in while waiting for sleep to arrive?
6) If yes to above, does this location involve muscular male characters from Gears of Wars - franchise?
I encourage anyone who averages more than five(5) posts/week in threads related to "LIs" in any video game forum to take this survey. THIS INCLUDES YOU, DAVID GAIDER
Modifié par LTD, 15 novembre 2012 - 03:36 .
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:23
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The love scenes (and any other scene where nudity should be present, which are numerous, such as the Trials of Andraste flame test in DA:O) should feature actual nudity. The OP mentions ME3. The only romance love scene that was pretty good (but far too short and skirted through) was the Liara Romance, and I guess only with male Shep since femShep still suffers from the odd underwear nudity avoidance issue. The love scene in the original Mass Effect is still the best romance scene in any BioWare game so far, though the conversation scenes around the love scene in ME3 (at least in the Liara romance) are exceptional, as is the rest of the romance around the actual love scene.
Emzam I see a lot of posts from you that I really like, but this is most definitely not one of them.
A: Nudity is not a "vice", it's a storytelling and an artistic tool, emotional, intellectual, visceral, inspirational, gutteral, revelationary, oft times all at once.
B: Nudity is neither mature nor immature. How it's used and how it's percieved by the audience can be either or both. Dragon Age being an M rated series (in the States), as in meant to be played and purchased by adults, I wouldn't think the audience perception should be an issue, and if another adult percieves it in a way that another adult would find offensive in some way, it's not really that second adult's place to judge how the first personally experiences any given work of art or craft.
C: Avoiding nudity out of one's own restrictive bias is immature. Any work that avoids nudity where it should be present is inherently less mature. Unless the subject of the piece is the avoidance of nudity, sexuality, etc. itself. Then it could have some merit.
Fade to Black is immature, emotionally disaffecting (for me personally), and amounts to replacing an extremely important scene for the emotional journey of the story, for characterization, and for storytelling with a null void. Strategic camera angling is less impactful (through its practice of avoidance) than actual nudity, but is still much, much stronger than fade to black.
A better alternative if you are going to avoid nudity altogether is simply not to include a love scene in your narrative. Express a different moment with different emotional hooks and different intellectual implications, or have nudity when it should be there. Don't just avoid the emotional lynchpin scene out of some aversion to nudity itself.
All that said, anybody with that bias shouldn't be forced to experience nudity if you really have a problem watching it. You should have a choice, and so should the rest of us. I always point to the best game ever made IMO, Heavy Rain, as the absolute best example of how to do this right in games. If they determine a toggle before the game starts, like some games have for languange and violence, is preferable, that's fine too. Either way, you as the player are making that choice, and so choosing to engage or avoid, and that choice alone is additive to your personal experience.
Every M-rated game from now on where nudity would naturally be present should not avoid it. I see that restrictive avoidance in any part of society as harmful, a negative factor in my social environment that supports control systems (irrational shaming, judgement, undue restriction, artificiality, and promotional of psychological oppression), attacks artisitic expression, and slows progress of free thought. That's not meant to attack you or BioWare or anybody else, but that's honestly how I see the issue, well beyond video games or any given media. It's important.
Emzamination wrote...
Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
No, full nudity or no deal. Its a M rated game for mature audience, if you are kid GTFO, this forums are for 18+ rated game!
First off nudity and maturity aren't synomous.
Second, there are plenty of outlets to fill your vice. A rpg isn't one of them.
Emzam I see a lot of posts from you that I really like, but this is most definitely not one of them.
A: Nudity is not a "vice", it's a storytelling and an artistic tool, emotional, intellectual, visceral, inspirational, gutteral, revelationary, oft times all at once.
B: Nudity is neither mature nor immature. How it's used and how it's percieved by the audience can be either or both. Dragon Age being an M rated series (in the States), as in meant to be played and purchased by adults, I wouldn't think the audience perception should be an issue, and if another adult percieves it in a way that another adult would find offensive in some way, it's not really that second adult's place to judge how the first personally experiences any given work of art or craft.
C: Avoiding nudity out of one's own restrictive bias is immature. Any work that avoids nudity where it should be present is inherently less mature. Unless the subject of the piece is the avoidance of nudity, sexuality, etc. itself. Then it could have some merit.
Fade to Black is immature, emotionally disaffecting (for me personally), and amounts to replacing an extremely important scene for the emotional journey of the story, for characterization, and for storytelling with a null void. Strategic camera angling is less impactful (through its practice of avoidance) than actual nudity, but is still much, much stronger than fade to black.
A better alternative if you are going to avoid nudity altogether is simply not to include a love scene in your narrative. Express a different moment with different emotional hooks and different intellectual implications, or have nudity when it should be there. Don't just avoid the emotional lynchpin scene out of some aversion to nudity itself.
All that said, anybody with that bias shouldn't be forced to experience nudity if you really have a problem watching it. You should have a choice, and so should the rest of us. I always point to the best game ever made IMO, Heavy Rain, as the absolute best example of how to do this right in games. If they determine a toggle before the game starts, like some games have for languange and violence, is preferable, that's fine too. Either way, you as the player are making that choice, and so choosing to engage or avoid, and that choice alone is additive to your personal experience.
Every M-rated game from now on where nudity would naturally be present should not avoid it. I see that restrictive avoidance in any part of society as harmful, a negative factor in my social environment that supports control systems (irrational shaming, judgement, undue restriction, artificiality, and promotional of psychological oppression), attacks artisitic expression, and slows progress of free thought. That's not meant to attack you or BioWare or anybody else, but that's honestly how I see the issue, well beyond video games or any given media. It's important.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:25
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plnero wrote...
It wasn't full frontal nudity, but it wasn't a ridiculous small cloth/blackout scene. I think it would be nice to see at least that in DA3.
If the DA teams wants they could even do a Witcher 2 style romance scene.I can confirm that no little boys had their heads explode as a result of watching the Witcher 2 scenes, so I'm sure Fox News will leave it alone. If not you can point out God of War and Witcher 2 and use them as a scapegoat.
My preference would be to not do any sex scene at all, to be honest. I know that any such aversion means we get posts of how we must be being censored, or how we're not embracing the "adult" grittiness that is the Witcher, but meh.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:29
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If you want to see two digitial characters bump polygons Japan has a whole catergory of porn dedicated to that, take your perversion over there
I've yet to see a bioware "sex scene" that didn't make me cringe & laugh out loud at the same time (every dragon age sex scene, ever) or they're skeezily bad to the point it feels like i'm watching bad softcore (mass effect, especialy liara's in ME3, my god that was horrible)
It's been 5 games and bioware still can't do it right, please don't try anymore bioware, just fade to black during these scenes
I've yet to see a bioware "sex scene" that didn't make me cringe & laugh out loud at the same time (every dragon age sex scene, ever) or they're skeezily bad to the point it feels like i'm watching bad softcore (mass effect, especialy liara's in ME3, my god that was horrible)
It's been 5 games and bioware still can't do it right, please don't try anymore bioware, just fade to black during these scenes
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:34
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Harle Cerulean wrote...
"I'm not saying I just want ******, but seriously, show me ******." <--- my impression of the people who keep making posts for this topic every time it comes up.
EDIT: Actually, maybe I should say that's my impression of what's being said by them.
This just made me LOL so hard.
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Posté 15 novembre 2012 - 03:37
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Honestly all I want is to see a scene that makes it look like the two are in love. I don't care if they show anything or not just as long as it makes you feel a part of the story which Bioware has always done a great job at doing.
