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#276
Cyberarmy

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Bfler wrote...

Hm,I see official responses here, that such scenes are wasted resources. Then I ask, what are f.e. all these finisher moves, which we can see in Origins? Nobody needs to see how somebody is stabbed in the head or even beheaded. Or all the pointless blood splatter all over the body, which most people deactivate in the options. Or the exploding corpses in DA2?



All the bloodshed, decapitations, cold bloded murder knife scenes, blood magic cast animations are OK.
30 seconds "quality time" with your LI scene is not.

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Cyberarmy wrote...

Bfler wrote...

Hm,I see official responses here, that such scenes are wasted resources. Then I ask, what are f.e. all these finisher moves, which we can see in Origins? Nobody needs to see how somebody is stabbed in the head or even beheaded. Or all the pointless blood splatter all over the body, which most people deactivate in the options. Or the exploding corpses in DA2?



All the bloodshed, decapitations, cold bloded murder knife scenes, blood magic cast animations are OK.
30 seconds "quality time" with your LI scene is not.


That's the actual problem if we had - dunno - about 30mins of schmecksy time there would be something to put resources into.
But you are right gore moves need wuv too. But dun mix those things kids.. ..srsly dun mix it.

Modifié par shlenderman, 16 novembre 2012 - 07:59 .


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Pseudo the Mustachioed

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bleh whatever

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 16 novembre 2012 - 08:27 .


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shlenderman wrote...
 
But you are right gore moves need wuv too. But dun mix those things kids.. ..srsly dun mix it.


dun mix it?

#280
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Dont get me wrong, im OK games not having any "sexy time" scenes (phrase changes in every post :P) But since they are putting it in game i want something of quality not some ridicilous scenes that everybody is in clothing.

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slimgrin wrote...

shlenderman wrote...
 
But you are right gore moves need wuv too. But dun mix those things kids.. ..srsly dun mix it.


dun mix it?


Like the city elf origin y'know.

#282
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It. is. just. sex. people.

I can't be bothered regurgitating one of the more elaborate responses to this topic that I've come up with in the past...

Sex scenes can be powerfully evocative in any storytelling form but sanitised or fade to black token efforts are just not so. They have no emotional impact, do not adequately convey anything about the relationship between characters and are quite simply useless.

It.
is.
just.
sex.
people.

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daaaav wrote...

It. is. just. sex. people.

I can't be bothered regurgitating one of the more elaborate responses to this topic that I've come up with in the past...

Sex scenes can be powerfully evocative in any storytelling form but sanitised or fade to black token efforts are just not so. They have no emotional impact, do not adequately convey anything about the relationship between characters and are quite simply useless.

It.
is.
just.
sex.
people.


They have emotional impact. Take that back D':

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 So what would people be prepared to sacrifice in-game for gritty, nippletastic sex scenes? Since it's a matter of resources rather than anti-nipple morality, it could theoretically be done but not without giving up something in return since those resources are limited. Yes, TW2 had Triss etc in all their naked glory, but then you had a completely set male heterosexual protagonist and very specifically scripted sex scenes. There was very little variation in Geralt's gear, no companions (with all the implications such as inter-party banter, kitting out the companions, dialogue, personal quests, companion AI etc) and only the Triss relationship was fleshed out (pardon the pun) in any way, with the other scenes being much more casual encounters.

Personally? I wouldn't be prepared to make the trade with any of those things. As much as I am not averse to sexually explicit material in games/books/film, I like the things that Bioware games offer in terms of companion-based gameplay and character options, and wouldn't want to see any of those things disappear for the sake of some artful boob shots. If it came down to a choice, I would rather play as a female romancing any one of several males or females and have a fade to black scene, than be forced to play as a male character romancing a specific female just to see some nicely rendered breasts. Though I guess I'm lucky, in that all I have to do to see some great boobs is lift up my top and look down :wizard:

Edit: I did prefer the ME style scenes over DA's, however. Mostly because the underwear I was wearing in both DA games was hideous. GIVE ME A LACE BRA, PANTIES AND SUSPENDERS OR GIVE ME DEATH!!

Edit 2: Or , ya know, get rid of romances altogether, then there's no argument any more, right? I'd be okay with this option :3

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 16 novembre 2012 - 10:55 .


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AllThatJazz wrote...

Edit 2: Or , ya know, get rid of romances altogether, then there's no argument any more, right? I'd be okay with this option :3


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Sex scene or no sex scene doesn't matter to me either way (though Mass Effect's was the best/classiest I've ever seen; I actually liked it).

I can understand the whole 'fade to black' bit, because our imaginations are livid, vibrant, classy and raunchy all at once. So 'no sex scene' is fine with me, but I do hope that there remains, if we have an LI, some form of interaction with them. A kiss, a hug, tender contact etc. can, in certain situations, have far more impact than sex.

...Not that there's no impact in sex, of course. Sex has lots and lots of impact.
.... And my dirty mind's gonna wander off now.

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I think all the people who are invested in the cause of more explicit sex scenes should be putting their energy towards asking for a toolset. Everybody wins when there's a toolset.


YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH!

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The toolset is useless for us console players until they start allowing mods on console, and give us a way to access and install those mods on our console games. I love modding myself so I'd be all for it, but for now it's a non-option.

AllThatJazz wrote...

 So what would people be prepared to sacrifice in-game for gritty, nippletastic sex scenes? Since it's a matter of resources rather than anti-nipple morality, it could theoretically be done but not without giving up something in return since those resources are limited. Yes, TW2 had Triss etc in all their naked glory, but then you had a completely set male heterosexual protagonist and very specifically scripted sex scenes. There was very little variation in Geralt's gear, no companions (with all the implications such as inter-party banter, kitting out the companions, dialogue, personal quests, companion AI etc) and only the Triss relationship was fleshed out (pardon the pun) in any way, with the other scenes being much more casual encounters.

Personally? I wouldn't be prepared to make the trade with any of those things. As much as I am not averse to sexually explicit material in games/books/film, I like the things that Bioware games offer in terms of companion-based gameplay and character options, and wouldn't want to see any of those things disappear for the sake of some artful boob shots.


I wouldn't give up any of those things. I think it's a false choice myself. There are going to be romance climax scenes regardless, so the question is what form they take. The only extra expense in animating these scenes over any other scene is that you have to come up with extra skins.. which is not an extra expense anyway. You just have nude/partially nude skins instead of the underwear skins. (In DA:O, the underwear would actually be the extra expense.)

Now if they wanted to really do them justice, you'd have some bit of undressing on screen, so you'd have to have the clothes act like clothes, rather than be part of a solid character skin.. like the Shrek movies, seriously. If you did that you'd have to have that more advanced body/clothing character modelling and animation. That would be the real expense, but if that's too expensive, the before and after with more talking, kissing etc. and no or much less clothing would get it done.

Honestly if you had that, you had the intimate embrace/undress and a little talking, breathing, kissing emotional type exchange rather than the little clothed jokey shots from DA2 or the clothed whatever in ME2, that's a major improvement. That's what everybody's really asking for, I think. Once you've gotten everything needed emotionally out of the scene, there's no need to have a full 'sex scene'. Then you can fade to black. Not before. You don't need apparently TW2 type scenes, where I guess you see extended rolling in the hay or whatever.

So really, the only issue is nudity. There is very little extra expense. The scenes just have to be like ME3, but with nudity and a bit longer. If that slight stretching of the scene is a little too expensive, that's just one more reason to cut down available romances per gender from 4 to 3 each, like DA:O. I don't think they're in such a money crunch that it's an issue though.

The only issue is nudity. Image IPB

edit: Obviously the person posting below must be referring to the OP. Or at least I hope they didn't misunderstand me that badly.

Modifié par cindercatz, 16 novembre 2012 - 03:22 .


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No thank you.

Now, if by Mass Effect, you mean a scene tied to the story's plot and thus having story significance (it's at a certain time in the mass effect games, and a way of showing the characters preparing for the big mission), then yes.

But that's not what you meant.

And please, don't even mention that porn simulator. They wouldn't know mature if someone hit them over the head with it.

DA ]['s scenes were best, because they showed character progression and individualism. It wasn't a sex scene: it was plot.

So, please Bioware, if you have them at all, keep DA ]['s. That was pretty much a home run.

#290
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I actually think the ME sex scenes are fun and kind of funny. What I like most though is when either the DA or ME team have emotional scenes. Or if the style of fooling around tells more about the LI. Isabella's scene where she throws a dagger in the wall and stuff was super fun and I thought done very very well. In fact, I might dig her character more than Morrigan and one of the reasons is how well I thought the LI stuff was. Sex is just sex, I pay BW top dollar for emotional impact (and an occasional good natured laugh)

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Bfler wrote...
Hm,I see official responses here, that such scenes are wasted resources.


We did not say that.

All John said was that sex scenes are expensive, particularly when one accounts for all the variations required, and there are better things we can do with those resources-- there are ways to bring the romance arc to culmination without having it come down to sex. My personal take is that too many people think that's the point of those arcs-- engage romance, have sex scene, done.

Which, if that's what they're into, is grand. That need not be the case, and there are other things we can do with our cinematic time with regards to the romance... and if the culmination does involve sex, my preference is still the kissing and lead-up to the sex with a fade-to-black rather than shots of nude (or partially-clothed) characters having simulated/suggested sex. Again, I imagine someone will simply suggest I'm a prude, or even go so far as to state that only North Americans would avoid graphic sex in a game that glorifies graphic violence. I don't think it needs to be avoided, personally, though I also think the things don't have to equate. Sex can be done tastefully, but it also behooves us to occasionally do things with our romances rather than have them be about titillation. And if you don't think they currently are, that's great-- but it would be easy for some to get that impression.

Ultimately it's a stylistic choice. Not more complicated than that. If your preference is a game that has both graphic sex and graphic violence together, that's super-- good thing there are games that offer you that. This won't be one.

Modifié par David Gaider, 16 novembre 2012 - 03:41 .


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John Epler wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It's silly that cyclical genocide is accepted in BW games, but showing a nipple is not. It's the false sense of a "Disney-like decapitation for the whole family" feeling that bothers me more than showing the actual sex scene.


While it's fun to build strawmen and loudly proclaim that it's our sense of hypocritical puritan morality that's holding us back, as was mentioned, we simply don't feel that the resources required for building realistic-looking sex scenes for a wide variety of characters (because remember, you have options both in terms of who the other party is as well as your own gender, which is an enormous cost multiplier versus a single-protagonist game with limited partners) are a good use of said resources.

Other companies are free to choose how they allocate resources differently. I'm not suggesting one is better or worse than the other, but again - it's not something we choose to do. You are free to ascribe whatever sinister motivations to that that you wish, as I am sure many will.


You are owning yourself here, man. 

You already did the sex scenes in ME2 and 3, you just messed them up in most cases. (Liara was best, again omg! i don't like her personally that much).

Typical example of this is the sex in shower, while clothed!!! That's heresy!!! Who showers clothed????????????????

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Ok, not DA3 related anymore.


LOCKDOWN!



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Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
You already did the sex scenes in ME2 and 3


And we've done sex scenes for Dragon Age, as well. Though we tend to do them differently-- Morrigan and Zevran had their scene at the start of the romance. Other scenes don't wait until the very end of the game to occur. Again, just a stylistic difference.

In this specific case, we're talking about DA3. And we're also talking about the preferences of the developers who have posted on this thread-- there are always different opinions on the team, just as there are different approaches between the teams. We may have sex scenes in the end, though they definitely won't be graphic, and our preference would be to find some tasteful alternatives for the romance culmination scenes... self-righteous strawman arguments on our forums notwithstanding.

EDIT: And Chris has locked the thread. So I'll leave it there.

Modifié par David Gaider, 16 novembre 2012 - 03:54 .