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[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

"Specializations as plot element" - 2 pages, 1 day.

"Yet another thread on Sex and Nudity" - 7 pages, 8 hours.

Lol. Great to know BSN has a firm handle on where their priorities are.

[Atakuma]

If you are dead set on avoiding nudity, at least put some effort into it, don't just slap some underwear on them, or worse, leave them fully clothed the whole time. I'd rather you just get rid of them entirely if they are going to continue being so poor.

[Cutlass Jack]

CrustyBot wrote...

"Specializations as plot element" - 2 pages, 1 day.

"Yet another thread on Sex and Nudity" - 7 pages, 8 hours.

Lol. Great to know BSN has a firm handle on where their priorities are.

Hey now I'm fully in support of Sex Specializations as plot elements.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

"Specializations as plot element" - 2 pages, 1 day.

"Yet another thread on Sex and Nudity" - 7 pages, 8 hours.

Lol. Great to know BSN has a firm handle on where their priorities are.

Hey now I'm fully in support of Sex Specializations as plot elements.

Jethann, protagonist of DA3
class: Rogue
Spec: Sex Worker
Passive Abilities: Working Hard

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:18 .

[Dhiro]

shlenderman wrote...

You forgot dual yield D':

Jethann has mastered several weapons and can wield them all at the same time, penetrating even the rarest, most expensive armor in the land with his razor-sharp swords!

[Massakkolia]

Atakuma wrote...

If you are dead set on avoiding nudity, at least put some effort into it, don't just slap some underwear on them, or worse, leave them fully clothed the whole time. I'd rather you just get rid of them entirely if they are going to continue being so poor.

Wholly agreed. If Bioware really doesn't want to use nudity in their games, there shouldn't be any scenes that require it in the first place. A game (or any visual format of storytelling) should never force me to wonder why the hell those people have their clothes on. If you can't make them right, avoid those scenes.

Modifié par Ria, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:25 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Emzamination wrote...

Second, there are plenty of outlets to fill your vice. A rpg isn't one of them.

A moddable RPG is.  The Animated Prostitution mods for New Vegas and Skyrim are quite popular.

[Nerevar-as]

LinksOcarina wrote...

The stuff in The Witcher 2 I always saw as being less about intimacy and more about physicality.

I think the best example of a sex scene would be the aftermath we saw with Merril in Dragon Age II, where they are sitting in bed half naked and cuddling. THAT is the kind of intimacy we should see, because then any form of nudity compounds their relationship even more. This is why Mass Effect worked so effectively in game 1 and 3 (game 2, not so much), it felt intimate for each party involved.

As for Fox News, no one takes them seriously anymore so if they complain, call them prudes on the air and be done with it.

Unless/until Yennefer (more or less Geralt´s true love for those who haven´t read the books) appears, it fits with the character. Geralt is fine with casual sex, but when it comes to love things get complicated.

My favorite love scene is still from Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, good use of camera angles, lighting and fade to black. But BW has already shown good ones in ME1 and some in ME3.

[alex90c]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Second, there are plenty of outlets to fill your vice. A rpg isn't one of them.

A moddable RPG is.  The Animated Prostitution mods for New Vegas and Skyrim are quite popular.

The...what?

[LinksOcarina]

Nerevar-as wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

The stuff in The Witcher 2 I always saw as being less about intimacy and more about physicality.

I think the best example of a sex scene would be the aftermath we saw with Merril in Dragon Age II, where they are sitting in bed half naked and cuddling. THAT is the kind of intimacy we should see, because then any form of nudity compounds their relationship even more. This is why Mass Effect worked so effectively in game 1 and 3 (game 2, not so much), it felt intimate for each party involved.

As for Fox News, no one takes them seriously anymore so if they complain, call them prudes on the air and be done with it.

Unless/until Yennefer (more or less Geralt´s true love for those who haven´t read the books) appears, it fits with the character. Geralt is fine with casual sex, but when it comes to love things get complicated.

My favorite love scene is still from Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, good use of camera angles, lighting and fade to black. But BW has already shown good ones in ME1 and some in ME3.

Thats the problem though. Casual sex is fine. We don't need it every two hours. 

[frostajulie]

Let me be clear I do not want to see ****** or ****s but side butt and side boobs and manly Varric chest hair is welcomed

[Dhiro]

alex90c wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Second, there are plenty of outlets to fill your vice. A rpg isn't one of them.

A moddable RPG is.  The Animated Prostitution mods for New Vegas and Skyrim are quite popular.

The...what?

A sex mod, dear. *pats head*

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

shlenderman wrote...
 the voice actor also did a good job.

MARK MEEEEEER!

[fchopin]

Either do a good job or fade to black screen, no more taking a shower with clothes on.

So far ME1 did the best job.

[Nerevar-as]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

The stuff in The Witcher 2 I always saw as being less about intimacy and more about physicality.

I think the best example of a sex scene would be the aftermath we saw with Merril in Dragon Age II, where they are sitting in bed half naked and cuddling. THAT is the kind of intimacy we should see, because then any form of nudity compounds their relationship even more. This is why Mass Effect worked so effectively in game 1 and 3 (game 2, not so much), it felt intimate for each party involved.

As for Fox News, no one takes them seriously anymore so if they complain, call them prudes on the air and be done with it.

Unless/until Yennefer (more or less Geralt´s true love for those who haven´t read the books) appears, it fits with the character. Geralt is fine with casual sex, but when it comes to love things get complicated.

My favorite love scene is still from Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, good use of camera angles, lighting and fade to black. But BW has already shown good ones in ME1 and some in ME3.

Thats the problem though. Casual sex is fine. We don't need it every two hours. 

It´s not like you have to do the scenes. I think aside from awakening besides Triss in the Prologue, Geralt will only get what you want. I know I won´t do the baths scene again, although the dwarf was funny, it just felt wrong considering why they went there in the first place.

[Annihilator27]

Forget nudity,What we need is the classic sex with armor on.

[Nerevar-as]

Annihilator27 wrote...

Forget nudity,What we need is the classic sex with armor on.

Excalibur fan?

Watching those scenes did hurt. Poor woman.

[soske aizen]

there is a game for you its called the witcher

[Rinji the Bearded]

Pseudocognition wrote...

shlenderman wrote...
 the voice actor also did a good job.

MARK MEEEEEER!

He's very good at voicing characters who are good at sex with men.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:58 .

[cindercatz]

Emzamination wrote...

1- The context in this thread was set when op made TW2 the achievement bar for love scenes. and no if you're going to say it Tw2's sex scenes were not tasteful and emotionally engaging.It was raunchy virtual porn, anyone claiming otherwise is full of it.


2- Of course video games in and of themselves are artistic expressions of their creators, I'm not debating that. That doesn't mean however everything within that game is going to be considered artistic. No matter how you spin it, the depiction of two people in the act is no more artistic than the blank canvas spectators may fawn over and call a masterpiece in a art gallery.


3- Most of the regulars here aren't asking for more nudity because they want a deep emotional journey. no sorry, just not the deep emotional or in some cases intellectual types. They just want to get their sox off. I've been on the bsn too long and seen too many of these threads and other related topics such as "I should be able to strip my character down in the buff if I want, because not being able to restricts my player freedom". I remember that thread fondly because when I went against the tide, someone called me a prude and suggested I had a tree up my... o nvm.Bsn sound deep to you?

4- None of that applies to you however, because I don't believe I've seen any of your post, so I couldn't gauge an opinion on that matter.

5- But anyways, you don't need nudity to have a deep emotional connection with media. A naked body doesn't make a movie, game, show, ect. I'm not even sure how that adds to the complexity of the piece.

6- I'd also like to add that there is nothing intellectually stimulating about watching other people do the deed.If there is, feel free to clarify.

This is a heck of a lot longer response than I intended. So, two long ones in a row.. this'll be my last post in the thread unless someone wants to respond directly. Alright, one by one.

1a- Whatever TW2 context you're referring to had zero to do with the post you responded to (which basically said nudity shouldn't be avoided, nor included for its own sake, and that's it, which I agree with), my post to you (specifically about your assertions in your response to that), or any of our discussion since (which boils down to me saying nudity is a tool that if used effectively is a good thing and shouldn't be avoided, and you saying.. I'm really not sure, sounds like "I don't like nudity except in nude art class studies and Greek sculpture" .. is the impression I get from it. Simple nudes in still art. Nude studies. I've had those classes and drawn those studies, so it's not exactly esoteric to me.

1b- I honestly haven't finished playing TW2 yet (I've owned it a few months), and I'm still early in the game, having seen exactly one nude scene and no love scenes or sex scenes at all, so I can't really give you my opinion on it, if that's what you want. I approve of its overall aethetics and disapprove of its combat system is about all I can give you. Characters are far weaker in general (so far) than BioWare's characters, and so is the dialogue (so far). The way it handles branching is interesting. I'm not using TW2 as any kind of comparison in this discussion, good or ill. I did use Heavy Rain, so that's my context of what I'm talking about. I doubt you'd approve of that either, though.

2- First, when did I ever say "two people in the act". I explicitly stated more than once in the thread (and other threads for years) that I'm not advocating explicit sexual encounters in Dragon Age. I don't support that, but you seem to want that to be all the discussion can be about. Second, you have a very, very limited view of art. I've just been trying to tell you that you're not empirically correct in your assumptions and definitions. I live in an entirely different world than you on all these issues. Your viewpoint in this thread is frankly suffocating to me.

3- First, I'm sorry some idiot said that to you in that thread. I don't think I saw it. I personally have never said anything like that to you or anybody here, so I hope you don't hold that against everybody that holds a contrary view. I do support the ability to unequip to nudity for scenes that call for it, like I described in my last post a few pages ago and like I believe I posted about another scenario in that thread or one like it. I don't really care if anybody wants to walk their characters around nude in their own games. It's a complete non-starter personally since I play on the 360. I don't have access to those kinds of mods even if I wanted them.

4- Hey, no problem. Yeah, I've seen you around and I'm relatively certain we've posted in the same threads before, though we might have disagreed, I dunno. The one thread I know I saw you in like yesturday was one advocating multifaceted companions who have greater depth that opens up as you pursue a relationship with them, platonic or romantic. I agreed with that, if it was your post. I've always supported that too, and I appreciate BioWare's accomplishment in the creating the characters and systems that have managed to achieve that.. You mentioned my favorite DA character Morrigan as a great example and Bethany as an example of a contradiction. I disagree about Bethany; she's my second favorite DA2 character after Merrill. I do agree with her role being too constrained in that game. I haven't posted yet in the thread, so I guess with the way this went, you can consider this my general nod of support on that, even if I don't agree with all your assertions.

5- It adds nothing by itself, no. Nudity is just a tool, and used well, it's a powerful one. I don't need nudity in DA, but there are certain scenes and certain areas of the game where it could be used to greatly improve what we have with the restriction. It would also be a bit of a paradigm shift for BioWare though, again, and I actually am sensitive to that. As a rule, though, I support the use of nudity where it should be used, not only for the benefit of whatever work would benefit from it, but also as a means of fighting artificial control systems and harmful social biases. If it's not used like I don't expect it to be, then I'll be perfectly fine with that reality like I always have been, even if I don't agree.

6a- That just shows your bias. In terms of nudity, what's intellectually stimulating is what's being conveyed in the scene, the inner life of the characters, the circumstance it depicts, the performance of the actor or the animator, the reaction of other characters and how they interplay, the emotion conveyed through simple gesture and expression. There's also the interplay of the nude character with the other visual elements of the work around it, which is always a consideration. That's intellectually interesting to me because I'm an artist myself. I actually went to school and studied this stuff. Ever seen concentration camp survivor photos? As in from nude photos taken on the spot at their liberation? Bomb survivors? Any documentary featuring nudes about the actual people in them? How 'bout just parsing out exactly what a particular character's expression means? Nudity can mean a great many things dramatically or it can mean nothing. It's a dramatic and an artistic tool, and it's a state one could exist in in more ways than one in any given moment. It's all about context. There's the purely sexual context you're blanket assuming, and then there are myriad other contexts.

6b- "Doing the deed" was never something I was interested in promoting here, but yes, it can be used in intellectually interesting ways, it's just that the more explicit you get the more dominant the sexual aspects become, unless there are competing factors that overpower that. Considering the kind of thing you're implying would be an automatic AO rating, at least as well as I can figure the kind of scene you're talking about, it's not really up for discussion though, nor is it something I ever want to see in DA.

You've come across vaguely hostile to me at times, then not so much others, so I don't know if you are actually instested in my response or if you're asking a rhetorical question and you don't want a real answer. Also, sorry if I misread the tone of your posts. If you want to continue, I can try another day. Otherwise, I'm pretty well posted out here.