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[alex90c]

Dhiro wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Second, there are plenty of outlets to fill your vice. A rpg isn't one of them.

A moddable RPG is.  The Animated Prostitution mods for New Vegas and Skyrim are quite popular.

The...what?

A sex mod, dear. *pats head*

I just can't believe people would spend their time putting together a mod like that.

[Dhiro]

alex90c wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

alex90c wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Second, there are plenty of outlets to fill your vice. A rpg isn't one of them.

A moddable RPG is.  The Animated Prostitution mods for New Vegas and Skyrim are quite popular.

The...what?

A sex mod, dear. *pats head*

I just can't believe people would spend their time putting together a mod like that.

I just can't believe they called it Animated Prostitution when nobody ever gets paid

[saMoorai]

I want to have HATE SEX with a sexually aggressive Kossith healer.

Then afterwards we can HATE CUDDLE.

[DreGregoire]

This isn't necessary for me, but what is necessary is nice kiss scenes. DAII had those and I hope they have them in DAIII. I like the Mass Effect scenes but I certainly did not mind how DAII handled the cut to black scenes.

[TheRealJayDee]

Ria wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

If you are dead set on avoiding nudity, at least put some effort into it, don't just slap some underwear on them, or worse, leave them fully clothed the whole time. I'd rather you just get rid of them entirely if they are going to continue being so poor.

Wholly agreed. If Bioware really doesn't want to use nudity in their games, there shouldn't be any scenes that require it in the first place. A game (or any visual format of storytelling) should never force me to wonder why the hell those people have their clothes on. If you can't make them right, avoid those scenes.

fchopin wrote...

Either do a good job or fade to black screen, no more taking a shower with clothes on.

So far ME1 did the best job.

Nothing to add to these posts.




I'm tempted to comment on the whole "slaughtering = good, breasts = bad" thing... but no, not today.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Dhiro wrote...

alex90c wrote...

I just can't believe people would spend their time putting together a mod like that.

I just can't believe they called it Animated Prostitution when nobody ever gets paid

They work for tips.

[M.Diska]

David Gaider wrote...

plnero wrote...

It wasn't full frontal nudity, but it wasn't a ridiculous small cloth/blackout scene. I think it would be nice to see at least that in DA3.

If the DA teams wants they could even do a Witcher 2 style romance scene.I can confirm that no little boys had their heads explode as a result of watching the Witcher 2 scenes, so I'm sure Fox News will leave it alone. If not you can point out God of War and Witcher 2 and use them as a scapegoat.

My preference would be to not do any sex scene at all, to be honest. I know that any such aversion means we get posts of how we must be being censored, or how we're not embracing the "adult" grittiness that is the Witcher, but meh.

I am european, so I like The Witcher sex scene. Is that bad ? Am I some kind of pervert? Should I see the doctor?Any help would be appreciated......

[upsettingshorts]

There's nothing wrong with liking sexploitation, in a game or in a film, but it is what it is. Nationality doesn't have much to do with it.

[ledod]

M.Diska wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

plnero wrote...

It wasn't full frontal nudity, but it wasn't a ridiculous small cloth/blackout scene. I think it would be nice to see at least that in DA3.

If the DA teams wants they could even do a Witcher 2 style romance scene.I can confirm that no little boys had their heads explode as a result of watching the Witcher 2 scenes, so I'm sure Fox News will leave it alone. If not you can point out God of War and Witcher 2 and use them as a scapegoat.

My preference would be to not do any sex scene at all, to be honest. I know that any such aversion means we get posts of how we must be being censored, or how we're not embracing the "adult" grittiness that is the Witcher, but meh.

I am european, so I like The Witcher sex scene. Is that bad ? Am I some kind of pervert? Should I see the doctor?Any help would be appreciated......

Correction- you like the sex scene in The Witcher on an individual level. Being European is independent of that preference.

[Dhiro]

M.Diska wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

plnero wrote...

It wasn't full frontal nudity, but it wasn't a ridiculous small cloth/blackout scene. I think it would be nice to see at least that in DA3.

If the DA teams wants they could even do a Witcher 2 style romance scene.I can confirm that no little boys had their heads explode as a result of watching the Witcher 2 scenes, so I'm sure Fox News will leave it alone. If not you can point out God of War and Witcher 2 and use them as a scapegoat.

My preference would be to not do any sex scene at all, to be honest. I know that any such aversion means we get posts of how we must be being censored, or how we're not embracing the "adult" grittiness that is the Witcher, but meh.

I am european, so I like The Witcher sex scene. Is that bad ? Am I some kind of pervert? Should I see the doctor?Any help would be appreciated......

Depends. Do you like The Witcher because you're european or are you european becuase you like The Witcher?

[Massakkolia]

cindercatz wrote...

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It adds nothing by itself, no. Nudity is just a tool, and used well, it's a powerful one. I don't need nudity in DA, but there are certain scenes and certain areas of the game where it could be used to greatly improve what we have with the restriction. It would also be a bit of a paradigm shift for BioWare though, again, and I actually am sensitive to that. As a rule, though, I support the use of nudity where it should be used, not only for the benefit of whatever work would benefit from it, but also as a means of fighting artificial control systems and harmful social biases. If it's not used like I don't expect it to be, then I'll be perfectly fine with that reality like I always have been, even if I don't agree.

Great post, cindercatz. I fully agree with most of it, especially the quoted part. I wasn't going to comment too deeply on this issue since it's been discussed to death in so many threads but I'm a weak individual.  

Personally, I do find Witcher 2's approach to nudity somewhat pornographic in nature (not the opening scene, that's fine). There were other issues in W2 that bothered me more, but its approach to sex was unfortunately trying to be titillating instead of adding actual depth to the story. Nudity wasn't the problem though, it was the presentation. Anyway, you can form your own opinion once you've played far enough.

If Bioware did choose to add nudity in their games, I'd rather they'd research how quality films approach the issue. Cinema has had more time to mature as an art and entertainment form than video games, and it shows in things like the attitude towards the human body. Nudity should be a natural element of storytelling (if needed), not some forbidden fruit. Undressing can also be used in scenes that are not at all sexual.

But, as I wrote before, if Bioware doesn't want to use nudity, they shouldn't try to simulate it with clothes on. That results in awkward scenes that break the player's immersion. Better to avoid them altogether.

Modifié par Ria, 16 novembre 2012 - 12:19 .

[Kileyan]

I found the sex scenes in The Witcher took me out of the game world. I mean he didn't even meditate, prepare and drink the blue potion before the encounter.

[iOnlySignIn]

Who cares about frontal nudity. Backside nudity is where it's at.

[tishyw]

The sex scene from the original Mass Effect is defintely the best of the Bioware love scenes.

[cindercatz]

Ria wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

*snipped a whole lot of text*

It adds nothing by itself, no. Nudity is just a tool, and used well, it's a powerful one. I don't need nudity in DA, but there are certain scenes and certain areas of the game where it could be used to greatly improve what we have with the restriction. It would also be a bit of a paradigm shift for BioWare though, again, and I actually am sensitive to that. As a rule, though, I support the use of nudity where it should be used, not only for the benefit of whatever work would benefit from it, but also as a means of fighting artificial control systems and harmful social biases. If it's not used like I don't expect it to be, then I'll be perfectly fine with that reality like I always have been, even if I don't agree.

Great post, cindercatz. I fully agree with most of it, especially the quoted part. I wasn't going to comment too deeply on this issue since it's been discussed to death in so many threads but I'm a weak individual.  

Personally, I do find Witcher 2's approach to nudity somewhat pornographic in nature (not the opening scene, that's fine). There were other issues in W2 that bothered me more, but its approach to sex was unfortunately trying to be titillating instead of adding actual depth to the story. Nudity wasn't the problem though, it was the presentation. Anyway, you can form your own opinion once you've played far enough.

If Bioware did choose to add nudity in their games, I'd rather they'd research how quality films approach the issue. Cinema has had more time to mature as an art and entertainment form than video games, and it shows in things like the attitude towards the human body. Nudity should be a natural element of storytelling (if needed), not some forbidden fruit. Undressing can also be used in scenes that are not at all sexual.

But, as I wrote before, if Bioware doesn't want to use nudity, they shouldn't try to simulate it with clothes on. That results in awkward scenes that break the player's immersion. Better to avoid them altogether.

Ok, one last post.

Thanks, Ria.

I just wanted to say I agree with everything.
Film of course runs the whole spectrum, so depending on what approach they wanted to take, there are plenty of models they could adapt from if they felt the need.

I also thought the TW2 opening scene is pretty good use. For one thing, it sets a tone for the setting in a few ways, and it also kind of intentionally pushes the envelope, which seems like something of a mission statement for the game. How far they end up going with it I don't know, but if it turns out to be sexploitation, that's not a bad thing in and of itself for me as I'm actually fine with a lot of exploitation cinema. It's up and down as a genre (speaking the original wave, old drive-in/ grindhouse movies). I don't know that it would be all that audience inclusive, and I could see it kind of abandoning the kind of dramatic use we're talking about if you describe it that way. You tend to have a pretty spot on view of these things, I think. I'll see when I play it through, though, yeah. :-)

I agree that veering off too far in that direction is not appropriate for DA or BioWare, really, if they do decide to use it at some point. I think for film, they should look to dramatic cinema with a similar tone to what Dragon Age already is. I always think of the Millenium trilogy: The Girl with The Dragon Tattoo (which is very harsh in some places that aren't entirely applicable if you've seen either version, but otherwise), The Girl Who Played with Fire, and The Girl Who Kicked The Hornet's Nest. That may be just that those are probably my favorite films or film series the last few years, and it's a modern day series, but they feel tonally appropriate, at least when I think DA:O. Also, Mesrines, Der Baader Meinhoff Komplex (excluding the opening beach scene obviously), things like that, maybe a little less. Or if softer, more like Bram Stoker's Dracula, some of the eighties fantasy stuff (drawing a blank on titles right now), or along those lines. Or in television, I see DA as really somewhere between GoT and Spartacus. And Heavy Rain for games again, I really think they should look at.  It all depends on exactly how they'd want to approach it, though.

And I agree that they should either use nudity effectively or find other story paths that don't require it, for sure.

[Sharn01]

Scenes similar to ME work the best for me, they are realistic without showing anything you wouldn't see on regular television during prime time.

Fade to black is preferable to underwear humping though, I'm not saying you cant start the scene in underwear and fade to black for the parts you do not wish to show, but the full scene done in underwear is silly.

I guess I am basically saying do it right or don't do it at all, and doing it right does not mean I need to see nudity. If you want to add nudity, that is fine, if you want to imply nudity and cover it up with camera angles and bed sheets, that's also fine, but I would rather there be fade to black then two people rubbing each other in their underwear.

[slimgrin]

John Epler wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

It's silly that cyclical genocide is accepted in BW games, but showing a nipple is not. It's the false sense of a "Disney-like decapitation for the whole family" feeling that bothers me more than showing the actual sex scene.

While it's fun to build strawmen and loudly proclaim that it's our sense of hypocritical puritan morality that's holding us back, as was mentioned, we simply don't feel that the resources required for building realistic-looking sex scenes for a wide variety of characters (because remember, you have options both in terms of who the other party is as well as your own gender, which is an enormous cost multiplier versus a single-protagonist game with limited partners) are a good use of said resources.

Other companies are free to choose how they allocate resources differently. I'm not suggesting one is better or worse than the other, but again - it's not something we choose to do. You are free to ascribe whatever sinister motivations to that that you wish, as I am sure many will.

May I recommend this budget friendly approach?

[RosaAquafire]

slimgrin wrote...

Ugh, no thank you. That crap is so objectifying.

[David Gaider]

M.Diska wrote...
I am european, so I like The Witcher sex scene. Is that bad ? Am I some kind of pervert? Should I see the doctor?Any help would be appreciated......

Perhaps your difficulty stems from the assumption that the only reason one might not want to have a sex scene in the game is because we find them morally objectionable or because we think that only perverts would like them? That's really not the case, but if you can't get past that idea then maybe you should indeed see someone about your problem. Perhaps it's not our issue, after all, but yours.

Modifié par David Gaider, 16 novembre 2012 - 02:21 .

[Maria Caliban]

M.Diska wrote...

I am european, so I like The Witcher sex scene.

Apparently, Europe is a hive mind.

[Dubozz]

tishyw wrote...

The sex scene from the original Mass Effect is defintely the best of the Bioware love scenes.

QFT

[RosaAquafire]

Also, on the topic of sex scenes, I liked DA2's. They were character based and not creepy like DA:O's weird puppet sex. I like sex scenes, I wouldn't want them to go away, but I want them to be around the characters and the scene and the coming together. I thought DA2 did that wonderfully, Fenris and Isabela especially. So if you want to get rid of the DA:O style sex scenes, be my guest, they were uncomfortable and awkward. But I'd be sad to lose them altogether, especially the way they were done in DA2.

[upsettingshorts]

Maria Caliban wrote...

M.Diska wrote...

I am european, so I like The Witcher sex scene.

Apparently, Europe is a hive mind.

When it comes to feeling superior to Americans?  Heh, I wouldn't be so quick with the sarcasm in that case.

RosaAquafire wrote...

weird puppet sex

Too soon.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 16 novembre 2012 - 02:30 .