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[LilLino]

Eterna5 wrote...


There are 3 options, you dismissing two and telling other people they don't stop the Reapers doesn't make them invalid, it just makes you an arrogant ****. 
 

Yeah right, tell me when the hell Shepard even considered controlling the Reapers prior the Catalyst scene and I'll shut up.
Just because he uses term stopping doesn't mean crap, it's obvious from the very inception it's either destroying them or turning them off. There's not a single conversation where Shepard goes 'I guess controlling is nice, let's try to do that now'.

The Crucible device that Shepard encourages everyone to build is from the start supposed to release energy capable of destroying the Reapers. Shep never believes it enables people to control them, so it can't be his goal.
Need I remind you: "So the Illusive Man was right after all"

And I'm not a dumb Destroyer doing a war crime. Bullcrap, I use a piece of tech that just isn't perfect and causes collaterall damage. + Saving the F*CKING universe. 

But you can go on and keep feeling cool about rulling everything, you know, like people do when they rule and own stuff.

[ghost9191]

someone is getting a little hostile .

[Applepie_Svk]

Eterna5 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...


How is control agreeing with the Catalyst? You delete him and take his place. And maybe if you'd have stopped drooling at your screen and actually payed attention you'd know why Synthesis is important. 

Your headcanon ? 

He even says he won't enjoy being replaced by you. 

EC:

You will die, you will control us, but you will lose everything you have...

We will be yours to control and direct as you see fit.

EC - control epilogue:

Through his death I was created ... Through birth, his thoughts are freed... They guide me now, give me reason, direction...

Whatever it is it´s not a Shepard, it´s just a patchfix which Leviathans failed to made before the Catalyst turn on them, or it was the Catalyst itself which rewrote his programming - AI... Because there is such a dumb conversation with Catalyst where he is describing how he failed in his attempt to bring a peace betwen the organics and synthetics...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 15 novembre 2012 - 09:28 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

"Dumb as bricks destroyers."

Way to make your point, Eterna.

[Eterna]

LilLino wrote...
Yeah right, tell me when the hell Shepard even considered controlling the Reapers prior the Catalyst scene and I'll shut up.

You can ask Admiral Hackett about it and if it's possible.

Just because he uses term stopping doesn't mean crap, it's obvious from the very inception it's either destroying them or turning them off.

Too you. Like I said, self imposed goals and the such.

The Crucible device that Shepard encourages everyone to build is from the start supposed to release energy capable of destroying the Reapers. Shep never believes it enables people to control them, so it can't be his goal.
Need I remind you: "So the Illusive Man was right after all"

So what? Say you're on a mission to evacute civillians and your mission is to save a select group of people. But before you save them you suddenly learn of another group of civillians that also needs help and you have it in your ability to save both. Do you save the original group and leave the other group behind because they weren't part of your mission and original goal? 

And I'm not a dumb Destroyer doing a war crime. Bullcrap, I use a piece of tech that just isn't perfect and causes collaterall damage. + Saving the F*CKING universe.

Or did you? What happens when Wrex dies? What if a new tyrannical ruler of the Krogan steps up and decides to go on a galatic wide conquest? Who will stop them? What if the Leviathans rise again? What if your children build Synthetics and they don't show the same mercy that the Geth did? Rachni invasion number 2?

So much can go wrong, and because of your choice the Galaxy will have no way of saving themselves from extinction. 

But you can go on and keep feeling cool about rulling everything, you know, like people do when they rule and own stuff.

I don't rule anything. I'm more like a Galaxy wide NATO. 

[Eterna]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

"Dumb as bricks destroyers."

Way to make your point, Eterna.

I should clarify by saying I don't mean all Destroyers. Just the ones that heckel me for my choice and tell me my Shepard AI will go insane. 

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Uh huh.

[Dr_Extrem]

if shepard thought controling them is a good idea, he would have joined tim on mars.

he apparantly did not.

[KiwiQuiche]

I always pick Refuse. For one, my Shepard isn't gonna trust that little genocidal runt.
And two, this current cycle sucks and has morons for leaders so a good cleansing it is.

[SpamBot2000]

People like it because Refuse leads to being insulted by BioWare, Control is even more horrible and Synthesis is ridiculous.

It's why it's always a good idea to stand next to less attractive people.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 15 novembre 2012 - 09:41 .

[Nerevar-as]

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

"Dumb as bricks destroyers."

Way to make your point, Eterna.

I should clarify by saying I don't mean all Destroyers. Just the ones that heckel me for my choice and tell me my Shepard AI will go insane. 

Well, it has all eternity to do so. And there´s that thing about absolute power. Galadriel has taken the One Ring. But I´d be more worried about the galaxy finding a way to get rid of it before. ShepAIrd has just too much power for the different goverments to be comfotable with. They´ll try to get rid of it in order to keep their external politics the way they want, and because they´ll be afraid the AI can go nuts or decide against them and use the Reapers to attack. Even if it´s not your intention, you´ve become a symbol of fear.

Synthesis as shown in ME3 is the most stupid concept I´ve ever seen. A nonsense in execution, and with distrubing implications.

I wouldn´t call Destroy a war crime in the sense that I saw no valid alternative. That said, my Shepard would probably retire (with Liara if she came along) and live the rest of his days regretting having to have genocided the Geth (and every AI else, apparently the machine capable of Synthesis couldn´t be fine tuned to Reaper only). For that same reason wouldn´t accept any medal or homage.

[Eterna]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

if shepard thought controling them is a good idea, he would have joined tim on mars.

he apparantly did not.

The Illusive man was going about it the wrong way. He was an evil man doing evil things, he was indoctrinated. Shepard and the illusive mans goals for control are completely different. 

[Eterna]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

"Dumb as bricks destroyers."

Way to make your point, Eterna.

I should clarify by saying I don't mean all Destroyers. Just the ones that heckel me for my choice and tell me my Shepard AI will go insane. 

Well, it has all eternity to do so. And there´s that thing about absolute power. Galadriel has taken the One Ring. But I´d be more worried about the galaxy finding a way to get rid of it before. ShepAIrd has just too much power for the different goverments to be comfotable with. They´ll try to get rid of it in order to keep their external politics the way they want, and because they´ll be afraid the AI can go nuts or decide against them and use the Reapers to attack. Even if it´s not your intention, you´ve become a symbol of fear.

Synthesis as shown in ME3 is the most stupid concept I´ve ever seen. A nonsense in execution, and with distrubing implications.

I wouldn´t call Destroy a war crime in the sense that I saw no valid alternative. That said, my Shepard would probably retire (with Liara if she came along) and live the rest of his days regretting having to have genocided the Geth (and every AI else, apparently the machine capable of Synthesis couldn´t be fine tuned to Reaper only). For that same reason wouldn´t accept any medal or homage.

Like I said, dumb as bricks. 

[Nerevar-as]

Eterna5 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

"Dumb as bricks destroyers."

Way to make your point, Eterna.

I should clarify by saying I don't mean all Destroyers. Just the ones that heckel me for my choice and tell me my Shepard AI will go insane. 

Well, it has all eternity to do so. And there´s that thing about absolute power. Galadriel has taken the One Ring. But I´d be more worried about the galaxy finding a way to get rid of it before. ShepAIrd has just too much power for the different goverments to be comfotable with. They´ll try to get rid of it in order to keep their external politics the way they want, and because they´ll be afraid the AI can go nuts or decide against them and use the Reapers to attack. Even if it´s not your intention, you´ve become a symbol of fear.

Synthesis as shown in ME3 is the most stupid concept I´ve ever seen. A nonsense in execution, and with distrubing implications.

I wouldn´t call Destroy a war crime in the sense that I saw no valid alternative. That said, my Shepard would probably retire (with Liara if she came along) and live the rest of his days regretting having to have genocided the Geth (and every AI else, apparently the machine capable of Synthesis couldn´t be fine tuned to Reaper only). For that same reason wouldn´t accept any medal or homage.

Like I said, dumb as bricks. 

Recheck your definition of intelligence, and study a bit of history.

Where are you from, BTW?

[AlexMBrennan]

The Illusive man was going about it the wrong way. He was an evil man doing evil things, he was indoctrinated. Shepard and the illusive mans goals for control are completely different.

Go listen to what Shepard says in his dialogue with TIM. Shepard makes it quite clear that he considers control a bad idea.

[KiwiQuiche]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

People like it because Refuse leads to being insulted by BioWare, Control is even more horrible and Synthesis is ridiculous.

It's why it's always a good idea to stand next to less attractive people.

Nice generalization there.

[Dr_Extrem]

Eterna5 wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

if shepard thought controling them is a good idea, he would have joined tim on mars.

he apparantly did not.

The Illusive man was going about it the wrong way. He was an evil man doing evil things, he was indoctrinated. Shepard and the illusive mans goals for control are completely different. 

different bs, same outcome.

[tg0618]

I pick destroy because I feel that it's the best option.

With control there is no guarantee that the AI Shepard won't go wonky like the catalyst and with the Reapers still around the cycle could continue.

With synthesis, the Reapers still exist and presumably no one is controlling them so who's to say that eventually they won"t decide to attack on their own accord? If there is free will there will always be a chance for war, conflict, whatever you want to call it.

Destroy gets rid of the Reapers once and for all. It does suck that EDI and the Geth.

[Asch Lavigne]

I like it because the other endings have you living peacefully with Reapers, which creeps me out. I also get to kill Reapers. I already wiped out the Geth so they're not an issue (and I would totally kill them in the end anyways) and I hate EDI, so again, no issue.

I have a problem with synthesis the most because that's like saying "Organics fighting Organics is a problem, let's make everyone the same race." Instead of organics vs synthetics its just cyberorganics vs cyberorganics, nothing has changed. And where is it written that just because people are part synthetic that they won't sill create AI's to do labor and whatnot for whatever reasons.I don't see how being part robot means I won't create a robot to make my life easier.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:06 .

[AlexMBrennan]

How? He's giving constructive critisism and that makes him dumb?

Anyone you disagree with is, by definition [BSN], a dumb brick. You're not still using the outdated OED, are you?

[Applepie_Svk]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

How? He's giving constructive critisism and that makes him dumb?

Anyone you disagree with is, by definition [BSN], a dumb brick. You're not still using the outdated OED, are you?

Don´t worry, he won´t be banned either...

[RiptideX1090]

Why do I pick destroy?

"I am a vision of the future, Shepard! Flesh and Machine, intertwined! The strength of both! The weakness of neither! We can prove ourselves useful to the Reapers!"

- Indoctrinated Saren Arterius on Synthesis.

"A splinter group argued we should dominate the Reapers. It fractured our order of battle. We later discovered they had been indoctrinated."

- Vendetta on Control.

"An interesting choice, Commander Shepard. You were offered everything geth aspire to, unity, transcendence, you even rejected the Old Machine's gifts to achieve it on your species own terms. You are more like us than we thought."

- Legion on Destroying the Collector Base.

"Because you still have hope this war will end with your honor intact! Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls, and ask the ghosts if honor matters! The silence is your answer."

- Javik on the price of victory.

"Victory, at any cost."

- Tarquinn Victus

"Are you kidding? I want to kick the Reapers straight to hell! Cerberus too!"

- Kaiden Alenko

"It's something turians are taught from birth. If there's one survivor at the end of the war, the fight was worth it. But humans want to save everyone. In this war, that's not going to happen."

- Garrus Vakarian

"Take this as a reminder Commander. Even in your darkest hour, there is always a way out."

- Urdnot Bakara giving Shepard her Crystal, speaking of when she was forced to claw her way out of the dark for survival.

"Dead Reapers is how we win this."

- Admiral Steven Hackett

"If we destroy the reapers, this ends today! But if you can't control them--"

- Lieutenant Commander Shepard

The ending is about three choices, presented to you by three people. Anderson advocates Destroy. Harper advocates Control. The Catalyst advocates Synthesis.

Harper wants to not only win, but dominate the Reapers. To believe this is even possible, you have to take his word, despite being indoctrinated and every other person besides him telling you it's not possible to Control the Reapers.

The Catalyst wants Synthesis, and why wouldn't it? Synthesis has been it's solution all along, turning people into machines to achieve it's version of 'harmony'. This is the Reaper solution, but every depiction of Synthesis has been atrocious, all the way from Saren, to the Reapers, to the husks. The only positive depiction of Synthesis comes from the quarians and geth working together, and that was achieved without space magic.

Anderson advocates for Destroy, and he represents far more. Harper represents Cerberus and the ideal of human ascendency, The Catalyst represents the Reapers and their 'problem', but Anderson represents the people of the galaxy. He's not wrapped up in ideals, he's like everyone else, he wants the Reapers gone so he can get on with his life.

Given all that has been presented, I can not choose synthesis. The Reapers have been using it all along and it is an abomination that you have to force on an unwilling galaxy. I won't make that decision.

Control is a gamble. I can see the appeal, but you have to be willing to believe your two biggest enemies for the entire game for you to be willing to take it. I do not trust it to work, I do not trust the Catalyst or Harper.

Destroy, while tragic in regards to EDI and the geth, is the only option I can honestly take. Victory at any cost. The relays are severely damaged, the geth may or may not be all dead (we certainly do not see their bodies, but the possibility remains some survived in quarian envirosuits, the EC never actually states all synthetics will be killed, only targeted. Shepard was also supposed to die because he's part synthetic, but is shown to live with high enough EMS), but there is hope. For the first time in billions of years, our galaxy is free of the Reapers. It will be hard, but we can rebuild everything. The relays, our fleets, our worlds, and the geth. And as we have proved organics and synthetics can coexist, the Catalyst's warnings of synthetics turning on us rings hollow. This ending is the only one that guarantees hope for the future, not a keeping of the status quo, or bending to the Catalyst's false logic.

In the end, I fight for freedom. Mine, and everyone's. And if I die, I will die knowing I did everything I could to stop you.

And I succeeded.

That's my ending.

[Nerevar-as]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

How? He's giving constructive critisism and that makes him dumb?

Anyone you disagree with is, by definition [BSN], a dumb brick. You're not still using the outdated OED, are you?

OED?