Samtheman63 wrote...
you cant take any of the ending at face value, why would you take the epilogue at face value?Eterna5 wrote...
clennon8 wrote...
Story of the pro-Control/pro-Synth literalist:
1. Trusts word of Reaper overlord.
2. Commits suicide, leaving Reapers alive.
3. Calls Destroyers "dumb as bricks."
Your dumb as bricks because you paint the ending as bad when their is a whole epilogue that proves you wrong.
Eterna5 wrote...
Nerevar-as wrote...
jtav wrote...
You're dumb because you aren't secure in your own choices but seek to tear down what others have chosen. You seem blind to the bad writing and sledgehammer level of subtlety that runs throughout ME3. You act like a combination of conspiracy theorists and religious fundamentalists. I don't care what or why you do in the game. I care when you start wanting to ruin the game for others.
I´m quite secure about my choice, I know what I paid and what I got.
Maybe I´m too cynical, but we are presented with issues that if something similar happened in real life would have huge implications, and told everything was fine. Both Control and especially Synthesis are Endor Holocausts at social and psychological levels. Destroy also paints a bright future, but in that one it doesn´t look there´ll be an everlasting utopy, so it´s easier to accept. That it´s the only ending where dealing with the Reapers has a significant cost also helps. Yeah, Shepard dies in the other 2, but one (wo)man dies to save everyone and brings utopia to everything across the galaxy.
But the Leviathn still exist post Destroy, what happens when they start ensalving everyone again?
KingZayd wrote...
I disagree. I think its a very interesting choice, just unfortunately it's part of a scene that makes no sense.
Also it's a choice that's only really interesting if we don't get to know if we made the right one. The problem is, we have no idea what characters like Garrus would want to do, if they survived, so we end up with NO answers, which is far too few.
Nerevar-as wrote...
Destroy also paints a bright future, but in that one it doesn´t look there´ll be an everlasting utopy, so it´s easier to accept. That it´s the only ending where dealing with the Reapers has a significant cost also helps. Yeah, Shepard dies in the other 2, but one (wo)man dies to save everyone and brings utopia to everything across the galaxy.
Modifié par AlanC9, 15 novembre 2012 - 11:01 .
I don't understand your question. When you talk about Vanilla are you talking about it without the extended cut?Applepie_Svk wrote...
Malanek999 wrote...
Why is destruction ending the most popular?
Emphasis on the word "most". It isn't popular but there are more serious problems (in some cases significantly more serious) with the other options.
I would ask... why even in Vanilla destruction ending had 3 possibile outcomes ?
Modifié par Malanek999, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:55 .
Eterna5 wrote...
The Leviathan are responsible for the Rachni wars, if they can do that just from a primitive form of indoctrination imagine what else they can do.
ElSuperGecko wrote...
Why is it that when something is deliberately left open ended and open to interpretation, people insist on taking it entirely at face value..?
AxStapleton wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
Nerevar-as wrote...
jtav wrote...
You're dumb because you aren't secure in your own choices but seek to tear down what others have chosen. You seem blind to the bad writing and sledgehammer level of subtlety that runs throughout ME3. You act like a combination of conspiracy theorists and religious fundamentalists. I don't care what or why you do in the game. I care when you start wanting to ruin the game for others.
I´m quite secure about my choice, I know what I paid and what I got.
Maybe I´m too cynical, but we are presented with issues that if something similar happened in real life would have huge implications, and told everything was fine. Both Control and especially Synthesis are Endor Holocausts at social and psychological levels. Destroy also paints a bright future, but in that one it doesn´t look there´ll be an everlasting utopy, so it´s easier to accept. That it´s the only ending where dealing with the Reapers has a significant cost also helps. Yeah, Shepard dies in the other 2, but one (wo)man dies to save everyone and brings utopia to everything across the galaxy.
But the Leviathn still exist post Destroy, what happens when they start ensalving everyone again?
Well, it'll keep things interesting at least. But they are not nearly as much of a threat as the Reapers.
the citadel doesnt look like the citadelEterna5 wrote...
Samtheman63 wrote...
you cant take any of the ending at face value, why would you take the epilogue at face value?Eterna5 wrote...
clennon8 wrote...
Story of the pro-Control/pro-Synth literalist:
1. Trusts word of Reaper overlord.
2. Commits suicide, leaving Reapers alive.
3. Calls Destroyers "dumb as bricks."
Your dumb as bricks because you paint the ending as bad when their is a whole epilogue that proves you wrong.
And why not?
Modifié par Samtheman63, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:57 .
They are much, much less powerful than the Reapers. Their own species was nearly obliterated by them, when they were much stronger and the Reapers were much weaker. Yes, they are still a threat, but no where near the same level of threat.Eterna5 wrote...
AxStapleton wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
Nerevar-as wrote...
jtav wrote...
You're dumb because you aren't secure in your own choices but seek to tear down what others have chosen. You seem blind to the bad writing and sledgehammer level of subtlety that runs throughout ME3. You act like a combination of conspiracy theorists and religious fundamentalists. I don't care what or why you do in the game. I care when you start wanting to ruin the game for others.
I´m quite secure about my choice, I know what I paid and what I got.
Maybe I´m too cynical, but we are presented with issues that if something similar happened in real life would have huge implications, and told everything was fine. Both Control and especially Synthesis are Endor Holocausts at social and psychological levels. Destroy also paints a bright future, but in that one it doesn´t look there´ll be an everlasting utopy, so it´s easier to accept. That it´s the only ending where dealing with the Reapers has a significant cost also helps. Yeah, Shepard dies in the other 2, but one (wo)man dies to save everyone and brings utopia to everything across the galaxy.
But the Leviathn still exist post Destroy, what happens when they start ensalving everyone again?
Well, it'll keep things interesting at least. But they are not nearly as much of a threat as the Reapers.
I disagree. When they were in hiding they caused the rachni wars, a war which almost destroyed galatic civilization. And now they aren't even hiding.
RiptideX1090 wrote...
Why do I pick destroy?
"I am a vision of the future, Shepard! Flesh and Machine, intertwined! The strength of both! The weakness of neither! We can prove ourselves useful to the Reapers!"
- Indoctrinated Saren Arterius on Synthesis.
"A splinter group argued we should dominate the Reapers. It fractured our order of battle. We later discovered they had been indoctrinated."
- Vendetta on Control.
"An interesting choice, Commander Shepard. You were offered everything geth aspire to, unity, transcendence, you even rejected the Old Machine's gifts to achieve it on your species own terms. You are more like us than we thought."
- Legion on Destroying the Collector Base.
"Because you still have hope this war will end with your honor intact! Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls, and ask the ghosts if honor matters! The silence is your answer."
- Javik on the price of victory.
"Victory, at any cost."
- Tarquinn Victus
"Are you kidding? I want to kick the Reapers straight to hell! Cerberus too!"
- Kaiden Alenko
"It's something turians are taught from birth. If there's one survivor at the end of the war, the fight was worth it. But humans want to save everyone. In this war, that's not going to happen."
- Garrus Vakarian
"Take this as a reminder Commander. Even in your darkest hour, there is always a way out."
- Urdnot Bakara giving Shepard her Crystal, speaking of when she was forced to claw her way out of the dark for survival.
"Dead Reapers is how we win this."
- Admiral Steven Hackett
"If we destroy the reapers, this ends today! But if you can't control them--"
- Lieutenant Commander Shepard
The ending is about three choices, presented to you by three people. Anderson advocates Destroy. Harper advocates Control. The Catalyst advocates Synthesis.
Harper wants to not only win, but dominate the Reapers. To believe this is even possible, you have to take his word, despite being indoctrinated and every other person besides him telling you it's not possible to Control the Reapers.
The Catalyst wants Synthesis, and why wouldn't it? Synthesis has been it's solution all along, turning people into machines to achieve it's version of 'harmony'. This is the Reaper solution, but every depiction of Synthesis has been atrocious, all the way from Saren, to the Reapers, to the husks. The only positive depiction of Synthesis comes from the quarians and geth working together, and that was achieved without space magic.
Anderson advocates for Destroy, and he represents far more. Harper represents Cerberus and the ideal of human ascendency, The Catalyst represents the Reapers and their 'problem', but Anderson represents the people of the galaxy. He's not wrapped up in ideals, he's like everyone else, he wants the Reapers gone so he can get on with his life.
Given all that has been presented, I can not choose synthesis. The Reapers have been using it all along and it is an abomination that you have to force on an unwilling galaxy. I won't make that decision.
Control is a gamble. I can see the appeal, but you have to be willing to believe your two biggest enemies for the entire game for you to be willing to take it. I do not trust it to work, I do not trust the Catalyst or Harper.
Destroy, while tragic in regards to EDI and the geth, is the only option I can honestly take. Victory at any cost. The relays are severely damaged, the geth may or may not be all dead (we certainly do not see their bodies, but the possibility remains some survived in quarian envirosuits, the EC never actually states all synthetics will be killed, only targeted. Shepard was also supposed to die because he's part synthetic, but is shown to live with high enough EMS), but there is hope. For the first time in billions of years, our galaxy is free of the Reapers. It will be hard, but we can rebuild everything. The relays, our fleets, our worlds, and the geth. And as we have proved organics and synthetics can coexist, the Catalyst's warnings of synthetics turning on us rings hollow. This ending is the only one that guarantees hope for the future, not a keeping of the status quo, or bending to the Catalyst's false logic.
In the end, I fight for freedom. Mine, and everyone's. And if I die, I will die knowing I did everything I could to stop you.
And I succeeded.
That's my ending.
Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 15 novembre 2012 - 10:59 .
Eterna5 wrote...
I disagree. When they were in hiding they caused the rachni wars, a war which almost destroyed galatic civilization. And now they aren't even hiding.
AlanC9 wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
There is nothing in the epilogue that proves that a control Shepard doesn't eventually lead to disaster. Nor is there for any other ending.
Well, except for the Stargazer scene. But if someone really, really wants to headcanon that some terrible disaster happens after that scene... yep, can't be disproven.
Eterna5 wrote...
AxStapleton wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
Nerevar-as wrote...
jtav wrote...
You're dumb because you aren't secure in your own choices but seek to tear down what others have chosen. You seem blind to the bad writing and sledgehammer level of subtlety that runs throughout ME3. You act like a combination of conspiracy theorists and religious fundamentalists. I don't care what or why you do in the game. I care when you start wanting to ruin the game for others.
I´m quite secure about my choice, I know what I paid and what I got.
Maybe I´m too cynical, but we are presented with issues that if something similar happened in real life would have huge implications, and told everything was fine. Both Control and especially Synthesis are Endor Holocausts at social and psychological levels. Destroy also paints a bright future, but in that one it doesn´t look there´ll be an everlasting utopy, so it´s easier to accept. That it´s the only ending where dealing with the Reapers has a significant cost also helps. Yeah, Shepard dies in the other 2, but one (wo)man dies to save everyone and brings utopia to everything across the galaxy.
But the Leviathn still exist post Destroy, what happens when they start ensalving everyone again?
Well, it'll keep things interesting at least. But they are not nearly as much of a threat as the Reapers.
I disagree. When they were in hiding they caused the rachni wars, a war which almost destroyed galatic civilization. And now they aren't even hiding.
clennon8 wrote...
Funny how reliance on hard logic and the context of the entire game leading up to the ending is somehow being compared to religious fundamentalism by more than one pro-Synth. Meanwhile, the best argument the pro-Synths and pro-Controls can come up with in defense of their choices is "But the epilog slides!" If there's a comparison to be made to religion, it should be made to the literalists. The epilog slides comprise their afterlife. They're buying into the Reapers' indoctrination, and jihading themselves for the promise of some bullsh*t afterlife.
I know that's really going to rub some of y'all pretty raw. So maybe we should just leave stupid-ass accusations of "religious fundamantalism" out of this, eh?
Modifié par Eterna5, 15 novembre 2012 - 11:02 .
clennon8 wrote...
Funny how reliance on hard logic and the context of the entire game leading up to the ending is somehow being compared to religious fundamentalism by more than one pro-Synth. Meanwhile, the best argument the pro-Synths and pro-Controls can come up with in defense of their choices is "But the epilog slides!" If there's a comparison to be made to religion, it should be made to the literalists. The epilog slides comprise their afterlife. They're buying into the Reapers' indoctrination, and jihading themselves for the promise of some bullsh*t afterlife.
I know that's really going to rub some of y'all pretty raw. So maybe we should just leave stupid-ass accusations of "religious fundamantalism" out of this, eh?
Eterna5 wrote...
But the Leviathn still exist post Destroy, what happens when they start ensalving everyone again?
CDR David Shepard wrote...
RiptideX1090 wrote...
Why do I pick destroy? (sad snipping of the awesomeness)
Couldn't have said/typed it better.
This is exactly why I pick Destroy as well.
Malanek999 wrote...
Are you talking about low, medium, high ems? If so, it's irrelevant as far as I am aware. I have never actually played the endings with less than 3000 ems, usually twice that.
Eterna5 wrote...
AxStapleton wrote...
Eterna5 wrote...
But the Leviathn still exist post Destroy, what happens when they start ensalving everyone again?
Well, it'll keep things interesting at least. But they are not nearly as much of a threat as the Reapers.
I disagree. When they were in hiding they caused the rachni wars, a war which almost destroyed galatic civilization. And now they aren't even hiding.
Modifié par AxStapleton, 15 novembre 2012 - 11:07 .
Eterna5 wrote...
clennon8 wrote...
Funny how reliance on hard logic and the context of the entire game leading up to the ending is somehow being compared to religious fundamentalism by more than one pro-Synth. Meanwhile, the best argument the pro-Synths and pro-Controls can come up with in defense of their choices is "But the epilog slides!" If there's a comparison to be made to religion, it should be made to the literalists. The epilog slides comprise their afterlife. They're buying into the Reapers' indoctrination, and jihading themselves for the promise of some bullsh*t afterlife.
I know that's really going to rub some of y'all pretty raw. So maybe we should just leave stupid-ass accusations of "religious fundamantalism" out of this, eh?
You make such far off statements to demonize our endings and have no evidence besides your ass, How are we supposed to defend our endings from your bat **** crazy headcannon?
In a Post Destroy universe the Yahg will develop a new form of space flight that will make all other citadel species vessels inefficient. This will cause the Yahg to eventually assume control of the citadel and by extension the galaxy. The Asari will fight and then lose, eventually going extinct. Prove me wrong?
Eterna5 wrote...
You make such far off statements to demonize our endings and have no evidence besides your ass, How are we supposed to defend our endings from your bat **** crazy headcannon?
In a Post Destroy universe the Yahg will develop a new form of space flight that will make all other citadel species vessels inefficient. This will cause the Yahg to eventually assume control of the citadel and by extension the galaxy. The Asari will fight and then lose, evventually going extinct. Prove me wrong?
DirtySHISN0 wrote...
Because people think that being told to do something for 3 games as opposed to 1 game isn't indoctrination.
A man who thinks the same at 70 as he did at 20 has learned nothing.
plus people are attached to their shepard.
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